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Styopa · Mar 8, 2023

C1w8 said:
You're missing the point a bit - it's not brought up because it's surprising they're still here are 3.5 years, nobody would expect them to all be gone by now. It's brought up because we are potentially going on a re-run with the same manager, hoping he can have an impact on players who have been down that road previously and got tired of it.

They are also more senior members of our squad. Sure some only have one/two years on their contracts but if we have 3-5 match day squad players not fully buying the Poch way, this is a massive issue., and nobody - not the fans or levy will be happy waiting two years to solve it.

That's not to say things cant still work out, but when weighing up options on who takes over next its right that this is being raised as a red flag.

I understand but I still think it's a minor point at this stage.

Firstly, it's not unusual for managers to work with or even have their new clubs buy players they have worked with before. If Poch became the next e.g. Man U or England manager, I don't think e.g. Kane would have any issues working with him.

Secondly, no manager since Poch has got a tune out of most of the players in question. Are we really expecting e.g. De Zerbi or whoever to come in and turn around the Spurs careers of Sanchez/Dier/Winks etc?

sidford · Mar 8, 2023

If there's as much confusion & differing opinions behind the scenes as it seems then it's hard to see Levy going with likes of Gallardo who is untested in Europe. When there's such difference in opinion people, even little people who are somehow unsackable and are allowed make the same mistakes over & over again & are making footballing decisions despite knowing as much as my left testicle, will go with a safer option.

Reckon it will be Poch or someone else who has premiership experience

C1w8 · Mar 8, 2023

Styopa said:
I understand but I still think it's a minor point at this stage.

Firstly, it's not unusual for managers to work with or even have their new clubs buy players they have worked with before. If Poch became the next e.g. Man U or England manager, I don't think e.g. Kane would have any issues working with him.

Secondly, no manager since Poch has got a tune out of most of the players in question. Are we really expecting e.g. De Zerbi or whoever to come in and turn around the Spurs careers of Sanchez/Dier/Winks etc?

On your first point whilst these players might not take issue, they will also not be as energised by Poch's methods the way they were the first time. There's something about a new manager with new ideas that motivates players and that affect will be lost to a degree on the players who were here for the first run, they've been there done that and got the tshirt/runners up medal.

The second point you make also underpins my thinking - we have struggled through the last three years with these players (lesser in number now but still enough of them in the match day squad/starting lineup), do we really want poch to take over and have to deal with the same thing, leading to an underwhelming second stint?

Cant speak for others but my point isnt that any particular coach is going to do an order of magnitude better, i'll leave others to debate that, it's more whether this is a good time for Poch to take over again and i'm just not convinced it is.

All opinions at the end of the day, i'll be welcoming back with open arms if that's the route we go down.

Hawkey77 · Mar 8, 2023

This is an aw

Ghost Hardware said:
For anyone curious about Gallardo who hasn't seen his football and are happy to read a in depth tactical analysis i strongly recommend you read this. Its a long read but very detailed. If you do i think you will understand why some of us really really hope he comes here and I think you will embrace the idea also.

Marcelo Gallardo: River Plate

Tactical analysis giving a scouting report of Marcelo Gallardo and the tactics at River Plate. This scouting report focuses on how Marcelo Gallardo implements his tactics at River Plate through an in-depth tactical analysis.

totalfootballanalysis.com

This is an awesome analysis, thank you for sharing. One thought that came to mind was whether anyone knows what the schedule is like for River Plate, and how competitive the ‘other’ competitions are? Reason I ask is that he seems have a lot of tactical flexibility (dear god that’s good to hear) but you can need time on the training ground to execute this well, and in England you’re bouncing from big game to big game every other day almost…is it the same cadence, and quality, of matches there?

skiba · Mar 8, 2023

ljinko888 said:
The thing that puts me off about De Zerbi is that ultimately we're talking about him based on less than six months at Brighton who were already in a good place under Potter. Their club structure is extremely good. One of the points of interest about Potter's Brighton was how they were very good in the XG/chances created statistics but had a hell of a lot of 0-0 draws because the finishing was really shoddy. That started to change at the start of the season by the time he left them for Chelsea (I think they were 4th) and De Zerbi has extended it to his credit while making some subtle changes. Is that enough to decide to pay whatever amount of compensation and entrust him with a big structural rebuild that we need though? I'm not convinced.

Poch's Southampton looked a lot more structured to watch in his early days from the gung-ho approach of Nigel Adkins. I remember watching one of Poch's first games being at Old Trafford where they played Ferguson's United off the park but lost 2-1. Even Ferguson admitted the best team lost. But he needed a full season to demonstrate that it was not just a new manager bounce or short term blip before we (or potentially other teams) considered hiring him. And lets not forget that Southampton had just been promoted to the PL for the first time in years that season whereas Brighton have been established starting with Chris Hughton as manager. That's not to downplay De Zerbi's job performance so far but I think being manager of Brighton right now is quite a cushy place to be because they're not scrutinised when results don't quite go so well since they're the opposite of chaotic. Everything at Brighton is a smooth running machine from the management to the recruitment to the infrastructure.

I wouldn't say it's based solely on his Brighton record as he has been talked about since his Sassuolo days. He then moved to Shakhtar and was doing well before the war in Ukraine and was actually seen as a bit of coup for Brighton when he was appointed. Picking up where Potter left off and improving Brighton is not the sole reason I would want to see him appointed but it is another positive to go on when looking at his managerial work to date.

Tucker · Mar 8, 2023

Still think De Zerbi is a flavour of the month choice. But I’m not opposed to it, or Gallardo for that matter

Along with Poch we are talking about exciting progressive coaches that could do a good job here given the right conditions/backing. And I’m not talking about oodles of money and getting every single target they want. I mean things like full backing to get rid of who he wants and play who he wants, getting the set up right etc.

0-Tibsy-0 · Mar 8, 2023

Trix said:
Can also throw Gallardo into the mix as well. Fact is they can't agree on anything which is why we are where we are. Unlikely to be Poch too many against it.

I hope this isn't inappropriate questioning.....but when talking about those for and against managers (or other high level decisions)- who does this refer to/who has a say?

Is it just the board? Levy / Collecott / Cullen / Capelhorn / Kline / Turner and Paratici?

Or do the Lewis' get involved?

Or do we have any decision makers, other than Fabio, who have a focus on football and not commercials?

thebenjamin · Mar 8, 2023

Tucker said:
Still think De Zerbi is a flavour of the month choice. But I’m not opposed to it, or Gallardo for that matter

Along with Poch we are talking about exciting progressive coaches that could do a good job here given the right conditions/backing. And I’m not talking about oodles of money and getting every single target they want. I mean things like full backing to get rid of who he wants and play who he wants, getting the set up right etc.

You know very well

Nick-TopSpursMan · Mar 8, 2023

Can anyone with good knowledge of Gallardo tell me how he’d possibly line us up next season?

You can denote ? for areas he would probably need new signings.

thebenjamin · Mar 8, 2023

I'd feel so gutted for Poch if he doesn't get it

Bluto Blutarsky · Mar 8, 2023

My prediction on how this plays out:

Levy interviews Gallardo - and neither man understands the other. So, Levy will pass.

Levy will then target De Zerbi, who, after flirting a bit, realizes he is in a better situation at Brighton, and signs an extension.

Levy will then turn to his old pal, Poch, who is disappointed not to have been the first choice, and decides he does not need the aggravation, and turns the job down.

Levy then announces that his first choice for manager all along has been Ryan Mason, who had already taken pre-season training, and the first three matches anyway - so now it will be official.

Cochise · Mar 8, 2023

I think the squad is in a spot where we could probably flex into a few systems with the right purchases. Defence and GK are still going to be top of the list, but if we go for a 4231 coach then finding that creative player is going to a massive outlay.

Bluto Blutarsky · Mar 8, 2023

thebenjamin said:
I'd feel so gutted for Poch if he doesn't get it

Dude is living a life of luxury - no need to feel sorry for him. He can live a lavish lifestyle and never have to work again.

wrd · Mar 8, 2023

Trix said:
Can also throw Gallardo into the mix as well. Fact is they can't agree on anything which is why we are where we are. Unlikely to be Poch too many against it.

O my Gallard

max cady · Mar 8, 2023

felmani26 said:
I think more than anyone else it would be Sanchez no?

Tidy keeper but would prefer Raya from B'Ford

IfiHadTheWings · Mar 8, 2023

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Can anyone with good knowledge of Gallardo tell me how he’d possibly line us up next season?

You can denote ? for areas he would probably need new signings.

followed him for a long long time, i'd imagine it would be a hybrid 4-4-2 which is pretty fluent and transitions utilising a CB as an Auxiliary forward

Baardsden
Stalteri Richards Ginger-Pele Toda

Davies Acimovic Stambouli Njie

Janssen Rasiak

Ghost Hardware · Mar 8, 2023

Hawkey77 said:
This is an aw

This is an awesome analysis, thank you for sharing. One thought that came to mind was whether anyone knows what the schedule is like for River Plate, and how competitive the ‘other’ competitions are? Reason I ask is that he seems have a lot of tactical flexibility (dear god that’s good to hear) but you can need time on the training ground to execute this well, and in England you’re bouncing from big game to big game every other day almost…is it the same cadence, and quality, of matches there?

The schedule was absolutely nuts. Its why out of the 14! trophies he has won there he only won the league once. Essentially the league is not as important as some of other cups such as the Copa Libertadores (which he won twice) and Copa Sudamericanas (which he won three times). Ultimately he just didn't have the players to constantly compete in the league and all the cups as the schedule can be pretty crushing. Really, how he balanced all those comps and constantly having to rebuild his teams year after year as his best players were cherry picked whilst also relying on youth is nothing short of incredible. He won the South American manager of the year 3 times for good reason. The guy really is a very exciting manager who has a very bright future ahead of him IMO. It really would be a very very exciting appointment.

rossdapep · Mar 8, 2023

Hawkey77 said:
This is an aw

This is an awesome analysis, thank you for sharing. One thought that came to mind was whether anyone knows what the schedule is like for River Plate, and how competitive the ‘other’ competitions are? Reason I ask is that he seems have a lot of tactical flexibility (dear god that’s good to hear) but you can need time on the training ground to execute this well, and in England you’re bouncing from big game to big game every other day almost…is it the same cadence, and quality, of matches there?

Managing the Argentinian League AND copa libertadores is tricky. Not as tough as Brazil but not a lot of turn around time between games.

Timberwolf · Mar 8, 2023

YB123 said:
Both are Paratici picks.

Gallardo was wanted by Spurs in summer Nuno was appointed but as we know wanted to see out season with River. Confirmed by Romano.

Does that definitely make him a Paratici pick, though?

I got the impression the managers we looked at prior to Paratici officially starting the job mid-summer were quite different to the ones that came later.

We were 95% set to bring in Fonseca only for Paratici to arrive and veto him. Do we know if the Gallardo links came early or late summer?

Nick-TopSpursMan · Mar 8, 2023

Cochise said:
I think the squad is in a spot where we could probably flex into a few systems with the right purchases. Defence and GK are still going to be top of the list, but if we go for a 4231 coach then finding that creative player is going to a massive outlay.

If we go 4231:
1. GK
2. Starting quality LCB
3. Younger CB
4. Starting quality CAM or RAM (depending on where we see Deki)
5. Younger CAM (Alex Scott please)
6. Danjuma permanent or young LAM (successor to Son, ie. Solomon, Mitoma, Sulemana, Gnonto, Summerville)

If we stay 343 (please God no):

1. GK
2. Starting quality LCB
3. Starting quality CCB
4. Young CB
5. Danjuma permanent or young LWF as per above
6. Starting quality RWF to rotate with Deki.

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