Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

lis spur said:

Just back home after going to the match ,because of that sub he can just fuck off,I have never seen such an act of cowardice and self interest by a manager ever!!!

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Just back? Fuck me, did you walk it?

lis spur said:

Just back home after going to the match ,because of that sub he can just fuck off,I have never seen such an act of cowardice and self interest by a manager ever!!!

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I had a car like that once.

spurs mental said:

I'd love him to stay, and win every game from here on in 1-0 with a goal in the first minute and then 93 minutes of back to the wall torture, just to wind some of you lot up a bit more.

I think it'd be funnier than the "I just want to feel something for the club again" posts.

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You need to get out more

He has to go because of damage beyond repair. I'll be sad to see him go because I like him as a person. But I'll be more sad because I don't have any confidence in the world that the next manager's tenure will be any more successful. Conte was supposed to be the line in the sand. He was supposed to be: "Well if Levy screws this one up, there truly is no hope." I do feel that way still. Despite his pedigree, I immediately rejected Mourinho's appointment and refused to be a part of it because I felt his ship of success had sailed, not to mention my perception that he is a complete and total turd of a man. I didn't, and still deep down do not, feel that way about Conte. It is all just predictable dejection and a sickening acknowledgement of the inevitable screw-up that THFC is.

mill said:

You need to get out more

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He has less need to get out more than the miserable twats who take sadistic joy out of our club's fuck-ups and drama.

mill said:

You need to get out more

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I get out plenty thanks.

I'm not one of the ones who needs a better of style of football to 'feel something' for starters.

robin09 said:

Son? Worst ever season
Kulu? Poor since the winter re-start
Richarlison? Struggling

These are some of the best players in the league, and they're playing pretty shit. Conte is the coach, he's not improving them, they've become worse players in the last 6 months. That's 100% on him, regardless of what you think about the rest of the squad holes.

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Son - worst seaosn was 4 prem goals in 28 games under Poch (he has 5 in 24 this season) so your statement is factually incorrect. He also had his best ever season in the Prem under Conte last year but I am sure you can invent a reason why Conte had nothing to do with that, but Son's bad form is "100%" on Conte.
Kulu - poor at Juventus - great for a calendar year under Conte - has he just hit a poor run of form or is this the player he really is and why he didn't succeed at Juventus?
Richarlison - yep he's struggling playing second fiddle to one of the best strikers the Prem has ever seen.

spurs mental said:

I get out plenty thanks.

I'm not one of the ones who needs a better of style of football to 'feel something' for starters.

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Yet you still come across as bitter

leray said:

Keep reading in the media now that Conte appointment was driven by Levy, not Paratici. But if I remember correctly, right after Conte's appointment (or after his early success) media reported that Paratici masterminded his arrival and there was an anecdote that Paratici called Conte right after United scored their third goal in that famous game.

Which is true, then?

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Is it possible that Paratici, under instruction from Levy, laid the groundwork? After all, even if you don't always agree with your boss, they're paying your salary so you do what you've been asked to do.

mill said:

Yet you still come across as bitter

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Not bitter at all. Just trying to have a laugh at this stage. We're not in control of anything that goes on at the club. What's the point in getting wound up over something we all have zero control over at this stage? We all know what way this ends, and the way it will end for the next poor fella who ends up here.

I feel total indifference to Conte staying or going at this stage because its a rinse and repeat cycle so why not just enjoy having a bit of fun

The more I think about the situation the more ridiculous it is. The guys had major surgery and has been away for ? 5 weeks.
I can't think of any comparable situation where the boss would be away for that long unexpectedly and it wouldn't have an effect and we could or would think everything would be normal.
In any case I cannot see him here past the end of the season. Obviously there is a lot of stuff around today suggesting that he would be gone before this.
I don't think I would truly in my heart of hearts want him to stay now to be honest but fuck me, he is not the only problem and getting him out does not solve all our problems at all.
Christ I am drained.

spurs mental said:

Not bitter at all. Just trying to have a laugh at this stage. We're not in control of anything that goes on at the club. What's the point in getting wound up over something we all have zero control over at this stage? We all know what way this ends, and the way it will end for the next poor fella who ends up here.

I feel total indifference to Conte staying or going at this stage because its a rinse and repeat cycle so why not just enjoy having a bit of fun

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Regardless of the manager 90% of the forum is people getting wound up over stuff they have zero control over.

Trix said:

Yes if we as a club know what the next permanent move is going to be. If however the next step is Ryan Mason whilst we fuck about for weeks deciding then I'm not so sure.

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As much as I've grown fed up of insipid football, some frankly bizarre decisions (e.g constantly picking well out of form players) and an endless amount of noncommittal from Conte; it has to be said his stubbornness to change personnel and formation, his seemingly tiresome crusade of not playing players that he didn't want sometimes seemingly just to make a point.

His stubborn wedded-ness to this system even when it's not working or clear that he doesn't have all the personnel to make it work should at least have a manager tweaking the system or personnel until you get to a transfer window to address the personnel problems.

Yet this would be what 4th or 5th manager some of this lot have seen off!?!

These players and this board cannot be allowed to wriggle off the hook for the dismissal of yet another manager (and backroom staff!)

Many people have said Conte-ball isn't the dull affair we've been getting, well he's clearly changed something as at least last season we looked to be a threat nearly counter attack.

I can't see a future of this club that has Conte as manager and the current board/owners.

Annoyingly Conte goes arguably so do our chances of even attracting certain calibre of player; we're saying "We can't win and won't win if you sign for us"
Also assuming Conte goes, his staff go (which is a huge number we'd need to replace) or if a number of them did choose to stay how long until they wish to leave again when Conte gets a new job?

We can no longer use Paratici (at least in any formal capacity) Conte appears to be another in a long line of failed appointments, complete lack of transfer joined up thinking; Levy and the board have overseen all of it, on top of the lack of footballing success. They cannot be allowed the decision making of firing Conte and hiring his successor!

What message get's sent out to other managers/coaches if Mourinho and Conte (two of the most successful modern day managers) aren't even given the time or resources to do the job? Makes us about as attractive as a narcoleptic necropheliac with leprosy, dandruff, orange spray-tan, stupid tattooed eyebrows and trout lips!

The list of managers who publicly will not take the job all the time Levy has his hand in things, I dare say there are agents who actively steer their clients away from us because they don't want to deal with him.

We've have had no identity for a long time, our shiny new home has never had the feel of fortress feared by opposition and rival fans, often it's looked like the weight of the entire stadium is pushing down on our players or is tied around their ankles! The amount of "woe is me!" that seems to thunder through the players and fans the first time a decision doesn't go our way.

For all the "Conte out" stuff etc... riddle me this; how can we have had so many years of players not being able to execute simple passes, crosses, free-kicks that beat the wall, the seemingly endless stream of being extremely poor at early kick-offs, inability to play much more than 45 mins with any kind of intensity, showing fight, not taking "lower" opposition for granted, earning the right to play, indeed doing the basics well!

The self-entitlement of our approach to certain fixtures, we've done nothing to deserve this Devine right to a trophy or title! I'll grant you two things YES the players and club have failed and or squandered fantastic opportunities to capitalise on the opportunities that we have genuinely carved out for ourselves and YES there have been the odd occasions where we have had bad luck; but you create your own luck, there's no Devine right to expect teams to roll over for us, we've never earned the right to be feared/have teams beaten before they've stepped off the team bus!

The above have have been issues even well before Conte, what are they doing all week? The only thing we really hear about are rondos!

Again the above can't even all be on lack of investment as even players we bring in seem to loose their abilities and attributes that made us sign them!

I don't fully know where we go from here for the best, I am fed up with the nasty unnecessary comments attached to certain players though; I'm fine with people not thinking they're good enough but to go on a rant with unnecessary horrible name calling is just not right IMHO, I'd love to know the average user age on here as increasingly feels full of petulant teenagers!

Sorry for the long post.

spurs mental said:

Not bitter at all. Just trying to have a laugh at this stage. We're not in control of anything that goes on at the club. What's the point in getting wound up over something we all have zero control over at this stage? We all know what way this ends, and the way it will end for the next poor fella who ends up here.

I feel total indifference to Conte staying or going at this stage because its a rinse and repeat cycle so why not just enjoy having a bit of fun

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Because it’s bloody expensive and although you can’t guarantee success following a football club, the least you can ask for is a bit of a release from your troubles occasionally, a bit of escapism. Going to Spurs the last few years has felt like a chore. It should not be like that.

Timberwolf said:

If Conte goes to a Spurs sized club anywhere I don't think he's winning anything tbh.

If he ends up at like Roma or Atletico no way is he winning anything.

He'll win stuff if he's at the best or close to the best team in the league.

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Hang on - what is a Spurs size club for a start?
By inference what you are saying is that Conte should not be expected to win anything at Spurs because we are not the best or close to the best team in the league. In which case why slag him off?
Inter finished 4th, 4th, 7th, 4th, 8th, 5th, 9th, 6th in the 8 seasons prior to Conte arriving, is that your definition of the best or close to the best?
Who IS winning trophies with Spurs? - because the last bloke to do it then had us on 2 points from 8 games and rock bottom of the Prem.

Conte is a serial winner over the last decade, Spurs are not, but apparently he is not good enough for us.

spurs mental said:

I get out plenty thanks.

I'm not one of the ones who needs a better of style of football to 'feel something' for starters.

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Surely is it not the shit style AND the shit results

MR_BEN said:

Well that’s disappointing .

Up to the fans at the ground on Saturday then to let it be known load and clear that he is no longer welcome here.

We need the crowd to turn on him - and not relent for the entire game.

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Or, and hear me out, cheer for the players only. Get behind them, since they can actually make a difference in our fortunes, at least on Saturday. Crazy idea, I know.

Dougal said:

Because it’s bloody expensive and although you can’t guarantee success following a football club, the least you can ask for is a bit of a release from your troubles occasionally, a bit of escapism. Going to Spurs the last few years has felt like a chore. It should not be like that.

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Not the fault of the managers about how expensive it is though is it?

I'm sure I'm not alone in enjoying the counter attacking football when it's been in full flow.

I enjoy watching Spurs regardless of what im watching as its a couple of hours escape as you say.

Each to their own though

TOLBINY said:

Son - worst seaosn was 4 prem goals in 28 games under Poch (he has 5 in 24 this season) so your statement is factually incorrect. He also had his best ever season in the Prem under Conte last year but I am sure you can invent a reason why Conte had nothing to do with that, but Son's bad form is "100%" on Conte.
Kulu - poor at Juventus - great for a calendar year under Conte - has he just hit a poor run of form or is this the player he really is and why he didn't succeed at Juventus?
Richarlison - yep he's struggling playing second fiddle to one of the best strikers the Prem has ever seen.

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Son has been woeful this season, in terms of actual possession of the football, and movement. Far worse than when he was adjusting to a new league under Poch. If your single metric is ‘goals scored’ then that’s incredibly simplistic.

Ask yourself why he played so well last season, and what’s changed this season. He’s playing deeper, in a role that doesn’t suit him.

Conte made that adjustment and clearly has done nothing to try and change it, as it’s still the same problem. That’s terrible coaching.

Kulu has regressed, Bissouma couldn’t settle before the injury, Richy is being man managed terribly.

Conte is one of the highest paid managers in the world, he doesn’t want to coach the younger players, shunning Spence, Gil, Skipp, Sarr etc until he was FORCED to use some of them.

What exactly are you defending after the performance last night? It was absolutely bereft of any risk. It was BORING. It was SLOW. We had 2 shots on target. At home. 1-0 down. It happens over and over again, I was all about patience. Him talking shit about the club, ‘Milan are a big club etc’, is utter bollocks. They lost 5-0 to Chelsea over 2 matches this season.

The worst thing is, Conte doesn’t want to be here! Why are you defending a man who has no interest in being at our club?

TOLBINY said:

Hang on - what is a Spurs size club for a start?
By inference what you are saying is that Conte should not be expected to win anything at Spurs because we are not the best or close to the best team in the league. In which case why slag him off?
Inter finished 4th, 4th, 7th, 4th, 8th, 5th, 9th, 6th in the 8 seasons prior to Conte arriving, is that your definition of the best or close to the best?
Who IS winning trophies with Spurs? - because the last bloke to do it then had us on 2 points from 8 games and rock bottom of the Prem.

Conte is a serial winner over the last decade, Spurs are not, but apparently he is not good enough for us.

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Can't be arsed to get into another big debate about it but basically my theory is Conte is an elite finisher who gets clubs over the line who are already close to the best in the league. Juve fell off at the exact time Conte arrived and Inter spent mega money backing him.

Other types of managers are better at gradually building teams from weaker positions into winners or getting them up the table year by year.

In retrospect we were dumb to appoint Conte as he was a poor long term fit for for a club in our position. More our fault than his, really.

And a Spurs sized club would, in my mind, be a club with a rich history and a big fan base but a relatively sparse trophy cabinet in comparison to other mega teams in the league. I'd say Roma fit that bracket, maybe not Atletico as they've won more than us.