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synththfc

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I think Enrique is the best manager available.

However, his style of play would most likely require a complete rebuild, something which I have doubts that Daniel Levy will sanction.
 

Timberwolf

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I think Gallardo is the most exciting name on the entire list, but also one of the riskier appointments with it being his first job in European football, his (supposedly) limited English, etc. Feels like the appointment most likely to go "Full Ramos" if he just doesn't adapt to English football or something.

I don't think bookies and rumours mean a huge amount when it comes to managerial appointments (Nuno was like 10th+ favourite at various points in summer 21') but there's so little noise around Gallardo compared to a number of other candidates that I'd be surprised if we went there - albeit pleasantly.
 

spursfan77

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I really don't think Enrique is the right option.

We have to learn what we are.

-We won't outspent our rivals
-wont give the manager who he asks for.
-wont give him a balanced squad
-The chairman will interfere.

So why not get a coach who over performs in difficult circumstances. One that has to sell his best players, gets the best out of who he has rather than demands who he wants. One that is flexible enough to change formation based on who he has at his disposal.

We have tried the big name manager route and to be honest by and large it's been miserable. So unless someone knows something that I don't about Levy going and or ENIC selling it seems pointless to me convincing ourselves were some sort of super club ready to go because the way we operate the football side of our business is anything but super club.

Would Enrique demand a lot of cash then? I know nothing about him but I can’t imagine he’d want more than Conte?

Either way I’m now convinced nothing will be decided until Paratici’s future is. It sounds like he’s the one pushing Enrique but if paratici goes then other options will present themselves. Not going to find out anything till the summer now if the team (hopefully) keep winning.
 

cliff jones

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I think Enrique is the best manager available.

However, his style of play would most likely require a complete rebuild, something which I have doubts that Daniel Levy will sanction.
subjective first comment

he’s clearly not suitable if another revolution needs to be funded
 

Freddie

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Enrique's various teams have flitted between playing fluid, exciting football to drab, sterile passing. I think he has the personality for the job but not sure what the football would be like. Personally think Postecoglu plays some really exciting football but a large part of that is down to finding some great Japanese players who have torn up the SPL. Wouldn't be able to upgrade that model at Spurs but I'm confident he'd make us fun again.

I guess most people are basing their preferences for Gallardo purely on media hype. I don't mind a wild punt TBH but only if he plays good football. That's all l ask at this stage. Astonished people are still favouring guys like Tuchel. When will they learn. The 'best' CV isn't necessarily what's best for us.
 

synththfc

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subjective first comment

he’s clearly not suitable if another revolution needs to be funded
I know it's subjective, that's why I said "I think"

Your second comment shouldn't be correct in an ideal world, but you are right. We won't fund a revolution no matter how badly we need it, and that's my main concern with Enrique.

However, Enrique's revolution would bring us technical midfielders, creative wingers, and ball playing CBs, so in my ideal world that's a revolution worth funding.
 

Cochraam

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I would be shocked if Levy appointed Gallardo or Postecoglu because I don't think they are prestigious enough names, and I think of Levy as viewing coaches as elements of brand and marketing and international reputation as much as football coaches. Jose and Conte (and Van Gaal who he wanted before Poch) are major profiles, and despite Jose and Conte falling flat on the success front, I could see Levy viewing them as having elevated the brand and prestige of the club on the world stage, which opens new commercial avenues. I was trying to research this, but I think we've quintupled social media followers since 2017; and remember how many media outlets were present for Jose's first press conference because Levy surely does. So, an Enrique (or Tuchel and maybe Poch) would have that world stage presence as well, and rather than footballing reasons, I see marketability as why Levy wouldn't opt for someone like a Gallardo or Postecoglu. But maybe this is all just overly cynical of me.
 
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GioW

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I would be shocked if Levy appointed Gallardo or Postecoglu because because I don't think they are prestigious enough names, and I think of Levy as viewing coaches as elements of brand and marketing and international reputation as much as football coaches. Jose and Conte (and Van Gaal who he wanted before Poch) are major profiles, and despite Jose and Conte falling flat on the success front, I could see Levy viewing them as having elevated the brand and prestige of the club on the world stage, which opens new commercial avenues. I was trying to research this, but I think we've quintupled social media followers since 2017; and remember how many media outlets were present for Jose's first press conference because Levy surely does. So, an Enrique (or Tuchel and maybe Poch) would have that world stage presence as well, and rather than footballing reasons, I see marketability as why Levy wouldn't opt for someone like a Gallardo or Postecoglu. But maybe this is all just overly cynical of me.
I'd say you're not far wrong
 

leray

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I believe his style of play is better suited to the PL than Spain. And it wouldn't suit Italy at all imo

He relies in the same things as Bielsa and Pochettino. High pressing, fast ball movement and full backs providing width. But he's much more tactically flexible than those 2, and he doesn't have a preferred formation. He has some general idea about how he wants to play, but then he tries to adapt to the players he has. He wouldn't force a back 3 if he didn't have the proper players. He has also started very defensive formations in some cup games, where away goals were very important

Another thing worth mentioning is that he has a better track record in elimination matches than on league matches. I don't really know why, maybe motivation. But he only won 1 league with River. He was close several other times, but playing 3 important tournaments at the same time made it impossible.

Thinking about our team and how could he work with our current roster, I see 2 upfront, no wingers. Center mid with one defensive and another box to box. Wide mid with Kulusevski on the right, and a new signing on the left (something like Grealish or Maddison). Porro as RB, Udogie (or new signing) as LB. Romero and new signing as CB.
We would also need a new top keeper. I saw links here that we are after Emiliano Martinez (LINK / tweet in english - The journalist is very close to the national team players- Ally Gold also confirmed interest here)
Great post, thank you, although it leaves me massively worried with the prospect of signing Emiliano Bloody Martinez.
 

Albertbarich

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Would Enrique demand a lot of cash then? I know nothing about him but I can’t imagine he’d want more than Conte?

Either way I’m now convinced nothing will be decided until Paratici’s future is. It sounds like he’s the one pushing Enrique but if paratici goes then other options will present themselves. Not going to find out anything till the summer now if the team (hopefully) keep winning.
I think waiting until Paraticis future is sorted is the sensible thing.
 

Timberwolf

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I would be shocked if Levy appointed Gallardo or Postecoglu because because I don't think they are prestigious enough names, and I think of Levy as viewing coaches as elements of brand and marketing and international reputation as much as football coaches. Jose and Conte (and Van Gaal who he wanted before Poch) are major profiles, and despite Jose and Conte falling flat on the success front, I could see Levy viewing them as having elevated the brand and prestige of the club on the world stage, which opens new commercial avenues. I was trying to research this, but I think we've quintupled social media followers since 2017; and remember how many media outlets were present for Jose's first press conference because Levy surely does. So, an Enrique (or Tuchel and maybe Poch) would have that world stage presence as well, and rather than footballing reasons, I see marketability as why Levy wouldn't opt for someone like a Gallardo or Postecoglu. But maybe this is all just overly cynical of me.
Think this is 100% true. Jose in particular was Levy catching his white whale and saying "look how big we've become - we got JOSE MOURINHO!!!"

Question is surely this approach has diminishing returns if the club never actually achieves anything. And on a branding/marketing/reputation front you simply can't get bigger than Mourinho so every subsequent manager will be a step down from him.

I think at this point, however you look at it, the best thing for the club on all fronts would be a manager that suits the club and has the potential to achieve long term success, regardless of their reputation and standing. Hopefully after Jose and Conte, Levy has realised that too.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Maybe because he’s probably the biggest available name bar Tuchel, who I don’t see as a target, but i really get the feeling that it will be Enrique. Unless it ends up being Poch although I think he ends up at Madrid. Idk, I’m not completely against Enrique but I’m not altogether convinced ether. I still feel Gallardo is by far the best fit for our club out of all the options.

The thing going against Gallardo is that he is totally untested in Europe. I'm not saying that means he won't be a roaring success BUT if i'm looking at Gallardo and Enrique side by side then Enrique comes out top every time.

He has many of the qualities that Gallardo brings - plays attractive football, promotes youth, is tactically flexible - but has that added experience of winning trophies in a top european league and the champions league.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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I think Enrique is the best manager available.

However, his style of play would most likely require a complete rebuild, something which I have doubts that Daniel Levy will sanction.

I don't agree with this at all. We've got plenty of players in the current squad (and on loan) that would thrive in a possession based team.

However, I will say that Enrique is a very tactically flexible coach. His all conquering Barcelona team were a counter-attacking side more than possession based. Everyone just assumes he is Guardiola-lite because of the Catalan connection but his philosophy is more adaptable than that.
 

JayB

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I really don't think Enrique is the right option.

We have to learn what we are.

-We won't outspent our rivals
-wont give the manager who he asks for.
-wont give him a balanced squad
-The chairman will interfere.

So why not get a coach who over performs in difficult circumstances. One that has to sell his best players, gets the best out of who he has rather than demands who he wants. One that is flexible enough to change formation based on who he has at his disposal.

We have tried the big name manager route and to be honest by and large it's been miserable. So unless someone knows something that I don't about Levy going and or ENIC selling it seems pointless to me convincing ourselves were some sort of super club ready to go because the way we operate the football side of our business is anything but super club.
This line of reasoning is exactly why I want Tuchel.

He's a very pragmatic and flexible manager who employed upwards of 10 different formations during his time at PSG. He was highly successful at Mainz and Dortmund, clubs with transfer policies that are much closer to our own than to the megaclubs that Mourinho and Conte had become accustomed to. Our setup leaves much to be desired but Tuchel's track record shows he'd be able to cope with it.

He also happens to be a big name who would hopefully keep our best players on side and believing in the club's short-term prospects, and who could lead us to trophies if we manage to shore up three or four holes in the squad this summer.

Tuchel threads the needle as being a manager who can work within Levy's dysfunctional transfer setup (suitable for the medium- and long-term) while also plausibly being a "win now" manager (suitable for the short-term concerns over our best players wanting out).
 

YB123

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Slightly off topic but Tim Stiedten the DoF & Head Scout at Leverkusen is leaving.

He was wanted by Chelsea in the summer.

He got in players like Hlozek, Wirtz, Hincapie, Frimpong, Diaby, Palacios, Tapsoba, Schick etc

Was also instumental in getting Xabi Alonso in as manager.

Was at Werder Bremen as DoF and Head Scout. Got in Gnabry, Rashica, Klaasen, Sargeant etc all sold for a profit.

Fabrizio Romano has said there is PL interest in him so could be interesting if Paratici goes
 

Guntz

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This line of reasoning is exactly why I want Tuchel.

He's a very pragmatic and flexible manager who employed upwards of 10 different formations during his time at PSG. He was highly successful at Mainz and Dortmund, clubs with transfer policies that are much closer to our own than to the megaclubs that Mourinho and Conte had become accustomed to. Our setup leaves much to be desired but Tuchel's track record shows he'd be able to cope with it.

He also happens to be a big name who would hopefully keep our best players on side and believing in the club's short-term prospects, and who could lead us to trophies if we manage to shore up three or four holes in the squad this summer.

Tuchel threads the needle as being a manager who can work within Levy's dysfunctional transfer setup (suitable for the medium- and long-term) while also plausibly being a "win now" manager (suitable for the short-term concerns over our best players wanting out).

Tuchel fell out with the Chelsea board within months of them arriving.

He wouldn't last 5 minutes with Levy.

It's a shame, as I do think he's the best coach available atm.

He's elite tactically.
 
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