The ousting of Daniel (COYS)
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Bluto Blutarsky
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With the summer break upcoming, he will hope it all dies down, at least until next season.
Wiener
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I think the point I am making is that those people not joining in the "attacks" on Levy are simply trying to be realistic. The "attack/defend" formulation is yours (and many others admittedly). I just don't think that formulation is very helpful. It doesn't tell us much other than that emotions are running high and leads to much tilting at windmills.
You may well be right about the hostile crowds leading to Levy packing it in but there is a cost to that. It doesn't help an already rock bottom morale at the club. Personally I also think it's a bit self-indulgent.
Yeah, we've got until August 12 to get all this sorted.... and not a moment sooner.
McArchibald
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Little chance, with no DoF and no Manager as well as the Kane saga being revisited we'll be in the limelights non-stop. And there's no one else left to hide behind...
Stavrogin
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This will upset a lot of people (you have to put this before every post) but I feel you don't understand what is happening. No one is defending Levy, no one likes Levy. No one would shed a tear if he left tomorrow - I'd be excited if he did.
People are pushing back against your arguments because they find parts of them irrational, wrong or counterproductive. There's such a miasma of hatred and negativity around forums that it's depressing - not just for the doom-mongering but also for the poor or reaching arguments.
It goes beyond Levy because the hatred is contagious. The match threads are unbearable. The way players get targeted and turned into sinister villains just for playing badly is really unpleasant. There's a hysterical defeatism that is unrivalled amongst fans, even when things are going well. People allow themselves to be manipulated by shoddy journalism, rumours, meaningless press releases and vague ITK, time and time again, without ever learning. People will frequently lash out at others for having loser mentality, all whilst displaying a nauseating level of self-loathing and a repulsion to the club itself, as if it's a stain on the duvet of life that we should all be ashamed of.
You might say that you don't hate the club and you just want us to play better but that's not how it's coming across to a lot of people.
So what's the alternative, and what's the cost? If we are rock bottom, where is there to go, and I think that's the point. There is momentum right now, and to sit back and let it blow over like a warm fart from Danny boys ring is kind of what you would expect from spurs fans; it would be so, well, spursy wouldn't it? To not put up a fight, accept the status quo, get back in our expensive boxes and hope to some divine spirit that one day out of sheer mathematics, we might win something.
And you know what, everyone at the club needs to know, needs to know we aren't happy, we don't accept this. I don't care about the feelings of a group of players who are there, but for a moment in the history of this club which is with a fan for a lifetime, I don't care if they might be upset or want to leave, that the sickening salary won't make up for some anger in the stands, we need to make a stand, have a voice and do something. Otherwise, this will be the same as when we didn't back Poch when we where riding high on the brink of a title, and we all know how that ended...
Guernman
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Levy's biggest mistake, which he repeats ad nauseam is that he backs the players ahead of everything else. Successful clubs recognise that if you have a coherent and consistent football philosophy that underpins the entire system it doesn't matter that players come and go. Levy does the exact opposite, he will do anything to avoid purging players.
Many have defended Levy's penchant for paying top dollar for managers as a sign that he isn't always cheap. Actually, it's a sign that he is. In his mind, it's better to hire the best manager money can buy to get the best out of your players, rather than consider rebuilding the squad. Saves a fortune.
It doesn't matter when Pochettino tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, get rid of the naysayer and bring in the guaranteed success of Mourinho. Doesn't matter when he tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, Conte will prove them wrong.
In 21 minutes Newcastle exposed exactly what this leads to, a bunch of entitled, safe and comfortable players who always know that if they kick up a fuss, they can get rid of tough training methods, exhausting high press tactics, anything that makes their lives a little tough.
Of course we have spent money, but Levy interferes enough that any manager knows that they don't really have the power. For every Perisic there is a Spence. And the players know that too, they know that when the shit hits the fan, they will be safe, the manager will be gone. And so we are left with a stagnant pool of indifference that our Chairman thinks is worth millions more than it is.
Many have defended Levy's penchant for paying top dollar for managers as a sign that he isn't always cheap. Actually, it's a sign that he is. In his mind, it's better to hire the best manager money can buy to get the best out of your players, rather than consider rebuilding the squad. Saves a fortune.
It doesn't matter when Pochettino tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, get rid of the naysayer and bring in the guaranteed success of Mourinho. Doesn't matter when he tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, Conte will prove them wrong.
In 21 minutes Newcastle exposed exactly what this leads to, a bunch of entitled, safe and comfortable players who always know that if they kick up a fuss, they can get rid of tough training methods, exhausting high press tactics, anything that makes their lives a little tough.
Of course we have spent money, but Levy interferes enough that any manager knows that they don't really have the power. For every Perisic there is a Spence. And the players know that too, they know that when the shit hits the fan, they will be safe, the manager will be gone. And so we are left with a stagnant pool of indifference that our Chairman thinks is worth millions more than it is.
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Ravenyonaz
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I totally agree with your assessment here. It is easy to look in and criticise when you have no responsibility or accountability, then actually being inside and having to shoulder the responsibilities! Everyone makes mistakes, not only Levy. As long as the owners have faith in his abilities, he will stay on. Fans don't see the whole picture.
mmidgers
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That's his entitlement. You're calling people out over neg repping other people's posts and suggesting they should be banned for it. That's pretty pathetic tbh
only1waddle
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Indeed, the one time he did fully back the coach over a clique of difficult players the coach went on to build the hardest working, committed and talented first 11 under the ENIC tenure.
Johnny J
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Nailed it. Fantastic post.
SirNiNyHotspur
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Back to wall is when Levy acts, it’s why we never win anything, his motivation isn’t to win, it’s to keep enough happy, make money anyway you can and only spend when you absolutely have too, with the caveat of only those he agrees to too. Screw what a manager actually thinks, they keep failing anyway… actually wonder why? Cycle repeat
Ravenyonaz
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Nothing will change in that regard. While the owners are happy with Levy's capabilities as a CEO he will remain. What a fraction of fans demand will not change anything.
Haddock
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Really? Personally I can't see it. I do believe he cares about the club and the fans, but Levy is a stone cold businessman. He won't take that in to account when evaulating his business.
We fans have seen first hand for decades how he operates. He won't sell for a penny less than what he deemes the club being worth.
only1waddle
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The one consistency amongst all the media is stating there is a lack of forward planning, strategy and ambition, the club can't have escaped any of this.
I'm cynical about any sort of change, most of us are, but he'll have to do something, I don't think any of this suddenly goes away.
chas vs dave
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Didn't we just release a first team squad member for nothing last window. Im quite certain that's contradictory to this statement.
We had no choice - it was an administrative f**k up. Which was unforgivable and a further sign that it's chaos behind the scenes.
