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tototoner · May 13, 2023

The last time we took this long about appointing a new manager we ended up with Nuno Espirito Santo.

Just saying

HedgieSpur · May 13, 2023

rossdapep said:
If your first thought is to slag off Mason, or attack other fans who are trying to support him, then you are a huge part of the problem.

My first thought is always one of “what could the players and the manager have done better”.

I look at the performance in objective terms and then assess how I think we did based on the context of the game.

On all measures today, Mason flunked imo. That is said with no glee but with a genuine concern for how badly he performed today.

We cannot blame him for trying his best and falling short but we should question the idea that he is remotely ready to manage us.

I see no problem with that and cannot fathom why this has caused such consternation among some posters.

wrd · May 13, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Ok, I'll bite.

What has Slot done at this level to justify that he is the right man for the job?

Why does it have to be at this level to justify he's the right man for the job? Based on your logic no person could ever get promoted because they haven't proven themselves capable at the level, no player could be played from youth to first team, no player signed from other countries or leagues. You have to be given an opportunity at the level to prove yourself. Conte and Jose doing it at this level also proved that previously doing so isn't any relation to success at Spurs.

tototoner · May 13, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Ok, I'll bite.

What has Slot done at this level to justify that he is the right man for the job?

He hasn't worked with Levy before

Oh Teddy Teddy · May 13, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
No manager is going to win, unless they are consistently backed by the chairman.

Period. Until we change the chairman, its just a managerial merry-go-round.

This is true at all clubs. Even City. Pep would leave if City ever decided not to back him in the transfer market. Klopp did not start winning, until he was backed in the market. Arteta did not win until he was backed for several years in the market.

If Levy continues to think that the players just need a new manager - then we are fucked. The new manager needs new payers - that are suited to the style the manager wants to play.

Not wrong about Arteta. They brought in Edu and they got a lot wrong, but knew where they wanted to get and didn’t let the fans’ response get in the way.

Slot is probably a better choice for us just because he will fit with Levy and the way we run things. But I agree that’s part of the problem.

Cochise · May 13, 2023

Timberwolf said:
I agree he's a bigger risk than Ten Hag was, but Slot did get to a European final and won the Eredivisie with a squad miles weaker than any squad Ten Hag had at Ajax.

Like if you watch Feyenoord the individual ability of the players is absolutely miles worse than the Ajax teams of recent years. It's a minor miracle they're going to win the league this season after they lost like 10 players last summer.

To be clear I'm neither for or against Slot. Just stating the case for why some people have reservations about him that go beyond "the Eredivisie is of poor quality".

McFlash · May 13, 2023

It's been said many, many times but it really doesn't matter a jot who our next manager is because they'll be hamstrung from the start while Levy is still meddling.

That's the reason I'm finding it hard to get excited about anyone that we've been linked with.

Timberwolf · May 13, 2023

Cochise said:
To be clear I'm neither for or against Slot. Just stating the case for why some people have reservations about him that go beyond "the Eredivisie is of poor quality".

Yeah fair enough - was just trying to add a bit of context as some people have been saying he's a Championship level manager etc.

dontcallme · May 13, 2023

wrd said:
Why does it have to be at this level to justify he's the right man for the job? Based on your logic no person could ever get promoted because they haven't proven themselves capable at the level, no player could be played from youth to first team, no player signed from other countries or leagues. You have to be given an opportunity at the level to prove yourself. Conte and Jose doing it at this level also proved that previously doing so isn't any relation to success at Spurs.

I think there's a balance between being given a chance and earning it. We are a big club in the best league in the world.

My general feeling is if a manager is stepping up from a weaker league or lacks the experience for such a big job, they should have done something special to get it.

Slot's performance at Feyenoord comes under that category for me.

Bluto Blutarsky · May 13, 2023

wrd said:
Why does it have to be at this level to justify he's the right man for the job? Based on your logic no person could ever get promoted because they haven't proven themselves capable at the level, no player could be played from youth to first team, no player signed from other countries or leagues. You have to be given an opportunity at the level to prove yourself. Conte and Jose doing it at this level also proved that previously doing so isn't any relation to success at Spurs.

So instead of touting his credentials, you are more focused on the criteria I used?

I think he is an underwhelming pick, and you have not done anything to change that view...

HedgieSpur · May 13, 2023

McFlash said:
It really wasn't. I think I maybe saw two posters actually wanting Mason to be given the job.
There was a discussion about it and has been for quite a while but just because people are talking about the possibility, doesn't mean they are wanting it to happen.

As far as I've seen things, the "unanimous" view is that Mason isn't ready for the job but that doesn't give you the ammunition you need for your snidey posts.
(And yes, your recent post have come across as snide and confrontational for no real reason).

I agree that “unanimous view” is completely over egging it. I’d say that there were a fair few though and the reasons given didn’t really seem very credible to me. We even had a couple of posters saying we should have a Slot/Mason combo.

All in all, I think Mason would do well cutting his teeth lower down the ladder. Big Dunc has humbled himself after years at Everton to do the same and manage at Forest Green… no reason why Ryan shouldn’t do the same.

JamieSpursCommunityUser · May 13, 2023

Slot is a really good, innovative coach imo.

Very smart, effective, and fun to watch attacking football.

Structured possession, quick direct transitions with fluid movement, and clever targeted pressing.

BUT

If we're talking about "fit" - our squad doesn't remotely fit Slot 's 4231/433 in the slightest.

Porro and Udogie in a back 4? Davies, Sess at LB? Reguilon who hasn't played in a year? Not great.

We'd immediately need 3CBs, not 2. Plus Romero is even more risky in a 4.
Cover for Emerson.
At least 1 technical CM/AM.
Another winger.
Obviously a GK..

I can't even see us selling the ones on loan let alone another 10 already here by the time we sack the next guy.

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and he'll adapt a system to suit the players, but he seems fairly committed to a back 4.

I'd feel more confident this would work if we had a DOF in place to oversee this appointment, make sure the board understand what they're getting themselves into with the required Transfer business.

I just don't trust Levy on football matters not to get us in a mess again.

Ndombers · May 13, 2023

It'll be Nuno, "you're gonna be fucking proud this time!!"

And then Nagelsmann in November

wrd · May 13, 2023

dontcallme said:
I think there's a balance between being given a chance and earning it. We are a big club in the best league in the world.

My general feeling is if a manager is stepping up from a weaker league or lacks the experience for such a big job, they should have done something special to get it.

Slot's performance at Feyenoord comes under that category for me.

Thought you was going a different direction until that last sentence :LOL:

. I don't know anything about Slot so I'm not arguing his case but I think there's too many false premises being used in the conversation for who should be manager, premises that have demonstrably failed the club in recent appointments and I don't think we as fans can sit here and make this arguments and then criticise the club when they use the same logic for their decisions. We can't say we want the club to make an appointment based on perceived calibre and level when we have been sitting here for months lamenting the club for making that very decision in the last appointment.

The other thing I'd say is that we keep talking about how the chairmen needs to change. Now I do think that's worthy of a conversation but at a certain point, we have to realise that Levy is making himself a constant value, he isn't going to change. So whilst I can see the argument to try and force change, I think that at a certain point, for our own sake as fans, we need to have the conversation about right manager appointment in relation to Levy as he is, rather than going round on circles on what he isn't when there's absolutely 0 evidence to suggest he's going to change.

Bluto Blutarsky · May 13, 2023

Make no mistake - I am very underwhelmed by Slot, as much by his credentials as by what his signing means for our future - but if he is the next manager, he has my full support.

Tottenhamboy85 · May 13, 2023

JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
Slot is a really good, innovative coach imo.

Very smart, effective, and fun to watch attacking football.

Structured possession, quick direct transitions with fluid movement, and clever targeted pressing.

BUT

If we're talking about "fit" - our squad doesn't remotely fit Slot 's 4231/433 in the slightest.

Porro and Udogie in a back 4? Davies, Sess at LB? Reguilon who hasn't played in a year? Not great.

We'd immediately need 3CBs, not 2. Plus Romero is even more risky in a 4.
Cover for Emerson.
At least 1 technical CM/AM.
Another winger.
Obviously a GK..

I can't even see us selling the ones on loan let alone another 10 already here by the time we sack the next guy.

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and he'll adapt a system to suit the players, but he seems fairly committed to a back 4.

I'd feel more confident this would work if we had a DOF in place to oversee this appointment, Make sure the board understand what they're getting themselves into with the required Transfer business.

I just don't trust Levy on football matters not to get us in a mess again.

Our squad needs a huge overhaul any way and let’s be honest hardly anyone uses wingbacks but you can get away with it with playing a CM3 who are cleaver, mobile and have good ball ability ( see ya Højbjerg ).

beats1 · May 13, 2023

Slot is someone who excites me but its a huge fucking risk

This isn't someone like ETH who has a continental style of play who has experienced different systems.

This is a proper dutch coach and brought up in that classic dutch style of play, he isnt someone who is revolutionising anything he is literally a bit of a throwback

Which is why its a massive risk whether it will work in the premier league

Nagelsmann tactics we know translate very well and is still innovative from someone like Klopp

dontcallme · May 13, 2023

wrd said:
Thought you was going a different direction until that last sentence . I don't know anything about Slot so I'm not arguing his case but I think there's too many false premises being used in the conversation for who should be manager, premises that have demonstrably failed the club in recent appointments and I don't think we as fans can sit here and make this arguments and then criticise the club when they use the same logic for their decisions. We can't say we want the club to make an appointment based on perceived calibre and level when we have been sitting here for months lamenting the club for making that very decision in the last appointment.

The other thing I'd say is that we keep talking about how the chairmen needs to change. Now I do think that's worthy of a conversation but at a certain point, we have to realise that Levy is making himself a constant value, he isn't going to change. So whilst I can see the argument to try and force change, I think that at a certain point, for our own sake as fans, we need to have the conversation about right manager appointment in relation to Levy as he is, rather than going round on circles on what he isn't when there's absolutely 0 evidence to suggest he's going to change.

I have no idea who we should go for.

Personally I just try to judge who could be a good manager. I prefer a manager who has Prem experience or experience of the English game. If not, I hope they have achieved something elsewhere.

Definitely not interested in a big name who has managed elite clubs.

wrd · May 13, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
So instead of touting his credentials, you are more focused on the criteria I used?

I think he is an underwhelming pick, and you have not done anything to change that view...

Basically what I'm saying is, I'm not going to answer a question built on a premise that is demonstrably not a good signifier for predicting success in appointing a manager. If I'm totally honest with you and feel free to correct me, I think it's a question designed to force me to answer a certain way in order to easily counter what I'd say. If you can show me how I'm wrong that it's a based premise built on logic that is demonstrably provable to not be a good metric of predicting managerial success then I'll answer, or I'm happy to answer a question on his credentials for his potential suitability, though as I've said, I'm not particularly fussed whether it's Slot or not. I just think we need to better approach the debate.

Tucker · May 13, 2023

wrd said:
Basically what I'm saying is, I'm not going to answer a question built on a premise that is demonstrably not a good signifier for predicting success in appointing a manager. If I'm totally honest with you and feel free to correct me, I think it's a question designed to force me to answer a certain way in order to easily counter what I'd say. If you can show me how I'm wrong that it's a based premise built on logic that is demonstrably provable to not be a good metric of predicting managerial success then I'll answer, or I'm happy to answer a question on his credentials for his potential suitability, though as I've said, I'm not particularly fussed whether it's Slot or not. I just think we need to better approach the debate.

Nail on the head.

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