Next Manager Watch

Tucker said:

I know what he was getting at. I just don’t believe it’s true. I don’t get why any of us think we’ve got better footballing knowledge than the guy who’s sat there week in week out watching the team for the last 20 years.

I’m not saying he’s an expert or anything, but really his exposure to football is about the same as your average season ticket holder (If you ignore the whole running a club thing.) So he likely knows as much about football as you and I at the bare minimum.

We don’t know that Levy doesn’t watch the Eredivisie, or Serie A or the Welsh Premier
League on S4C. So we can’t really speak to that.

What we can do is look at Slot and make our own minds up about him.

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Yeah despite him being there for the games I doubt he has the slightest clue imo of course

So i know Ally Gold is a club mouthpiece but is he also semi independant? Doing an interview with Vorm about how good Slot is could be telling if he isnt independant at all?

Tucker said:

I know what he was getting at. I just don’t believe it’s true. I don’t get why any of us think we’ve got better footballing knowledge than the guy who’s sat there week in week out watching the team for the last 20 years.

I’m not saying he’s an expert or anything, but really his exposure to football is about the same as your average season ticket holder (If you ignore the whole running a club thing.) So he likely knows as much about football as you and I at the bare minimum.

We don’t know that Levy doesn’t watch the Eredivisie, or Serie A or the Welsh Premier
League on S4C. So we can’t really speak to that.

What we can do is look at Slot and make our own minds up about him.

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I think the issue is mate that Levy isn't a football person naturally, sure he might have watched a lot of games but I don't think he 'gets it' and never will, watch the AON documentary, look at his PR statements and interviews and look at his lack of plan and decision making on the football side over the last 20 years, look at the scattergun approach, look at the poor timing of manager hiring and firings, look at the bad fits of certain manager and player hires, look at the lack of a consistent philosophy or playing style or tactical approach and squad to fit that and it is quite clear that he doesn't and will never understand football and what makes teams and clubs successful.

The 2nd issue as per @Trix 's ITK earlier is that there is always so much indecision, so many voices and no semblance of a plan.

What I find interesting is that Levy is very clearly an analytical, accountant type personality so he will want to analyse all the possible information and he gets information overload as a result. He takes ages to make a decision and then ends up confused about which route to take.

On the odd occasion he has an idea in his mind and he does stick to it regardless of any other factors e.g. when he hired Harry Redknapp and Jose Mouriniho, he'd chased both of these managers for quite a few years and approached them both numerous times.

Redknapp at the time he was appointed was absolutely perfect for us, Jose unfortunately in hindsight not so much.

So fast forward to May 2023, the last 3 Managerial decisions have been poor, his bad fit of a plan about Paratici turning Tottenham into Juventus-on-Thames has been torn apart because of Fabio's ban and so Levy is no essentially having to start from scratch like he's never had to do before. Paratici's ban is a blessing in disguise because he didn't align at all well with the ethos and DNA of our club and without that alignment and consistency in approach as Mason and Kane and others have said recently we will never be successful or even really enjoy supporting the club due to the misalignment of values.

So does he:
1) Go along with a plan he's had in his head previously regardless of if it is a good fit for us right now or not e.g. say he previously like Rodgers or Potter or Glasner etc well he will interview all these candidates but will end up with the one he had is eye on regardless.
OR
2) Does he not have a plan/idea and so he flits from pillar to post between completely different Director of Football and Manager targets based on different voices in his ear on that particular day he wakes up (the other board members, Munn, agents pushing certain Managers etc) in which case we could end up with absolutely any Manager all with a complete variety of styles and ages and experience.
OR
3) Does he step back and finally finally realise that the club needs two things, firstly a return to the style of play and DNA that he talked about after Jose was sacked and secondly that we need a project to align with that and therefore a DofF and Manager to both fit this

The decisions as to who we hire next as DofF and Manager and how they fit as a combination and how aligned they are to the style of play we all want and to building a cohesive consistent project will determine the direction and trajectory we next take in terms of performance and results.

This isn't even anymore about a 'last chance saloon' for Levy, its now even gone past that, if he gets the next Manager right and a good DofF to support the Manager we might remain top 8 and slowly claw our way back up again, if he gets one or both of these appointments wrong then we could end up in freefall.

This is why unfortunately I don't think we will end up with Slot and/or a DofF to compliment him because I think Levy overanalyses things, he's too easily influenced and/or he's occasionally stubborn to an idea that may or may not be the right fit for us at the time.

I think we have all now reached panic stage of this 'process'.

Reading this thread has me confused as to what we expect of a DoF. I thought his/her role was to ensure continuity. So if one Manager leaves or is sacked he/she then chooses the new one to suit the squad of players he/she, the DoF, has built up. Thus you can't have the Manager/Head Coach selecting the DoF.

Chris Flynn said:

So i know Ally Gold is a club mouthpiece but is he also semi independant? Doing an interview with Vorm about how good Slot is could be telling if he isnt independant at all?

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He's not a club mouthpiece, this has been discussed MANY times!! lol

Chris Flynn said:

So i know Ally Gold is a club mouthpiece but is he also semi independant? Doing an interview with Vorm about how good Slot is could be telling if he isnt independant at all?

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Yes - he’s a fan that wrote about spurs, got a job writing about spurs, then another, now gets more access than others.

Dunc2610 said:

He's not a club mouthpiece, this has been discussed MANY times!! lol

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i've seen loads of times that he is, also on here. Ok cool, wont read into it

I'm starting to wonder if Levy is a very lonely man who relies on this manager "interviews" for human interaction

Dunc2610 said:

He's not a club mouthpiece, this has been discussed MANY times!! lol

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Maybe mouthpiece is the wrong word he's certainly one of the main guys they go to when they want to put their own spin out there though if that makes sense. I'm glad he's called them out on this one though because he'd have been made to look like a BS merchant if he had of just followed their line and doubled down on the "we haven't spoken to Nagelsmann" rubbish they have tried to get across.

Chris Flynn said:

i've seen loads of times that he is, also on here. Ok cool, wont read into it

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I think he is a mouthpiece only in the sense that he like other spurs focused journos like Dan Kilpatrick get nods from the club when they want to get something out there but Ali has never come across as anything but honest and critical when needed when you read or watch his stuff.

parklane yid said:

What’s changed with Levy, he has always historically been so quick to replace managers.

Jol with Ramos
Poch with mourinho

to name a few

why has he more recently been so indecisive?

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Apart from that time he took the entirety of human history to appoint Jacques Santini, only for it to become obvious he was wrong for it after 10 seconds of his first game.

Albertbarich said:

They have backed themselves into far too deep a hole to consider appointing Mason.

Check the replies on social media, every single one is some form of Levy out, this is going to get more and more toxic so to then to turn to a 31 year old with no managerial experience after all these years of promises is madness.

Ryan might turn out to be amazing one day but ENIC have created such an environment that it needs someone who can turn it around tactically but get fans inside straight away.

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While I completely agree, if they recognised this you 'd think they'd move heaven and earth to get Nagelsmann. What on earth is going through their heads, we've got no idea.

Dunc2610 said:

He's not a club mouthpiece, this has been discussed MANY times!! lol

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'Here is every single word ever written by Alistair Gold'

Trix said:

Maybe mouthpiece is the wrong word he's certainly one of the main guys they go to when they want to put their own spin out there though if that makes sense. I'm glad he's called them out on this one though because he'd have been made to look like a BS merchant if he had of just followed their line and doubled down on the "we haven't spoken to Nagelsmann" rubbish they have tried to get across.

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Agree, he probably got a bit of backlash about his article and then kind of went back on it and called them out to save face a bit.

Love Aly G but he is understandably trying to keep both the club and his readers/views both happy at the same time whilst also giving as accurate information as he can as a die hard fan and reporter of the club who just wants what is best for Tottenham.

thebenjamin said:

Apart from that time he took the entirety of human history to appoint Jacques Santini, only for it to become obvious he was wrong for it after 10 seconds of his first game.

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We have now been managerless for 4 months since April 21.

Trix said:

We have now been managerless for 4 months since April 21.

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And counting 🥹

Trix said:

We have been managerless for 4 months of the last 2 years

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9% of their bloody time as majority owners we have not had a permanent manager.
The last 2 years it's been 17%.

No one can argue away that sort of ineptitude.

HodisGawd said:

While I completely agree, if they recognised this you 'd think they'd move heaven and earth to get Nagelsmann. What on earth is going through their heads, we've got no idea.

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I'd imagine they still think there are good options out there , my concern is they will see off all those options. We have already burnt through Poch, Nagelsmann and Kompany.

sidford said:

9% of their bloody time as majority owners we have not had a permanent manager.
The last 2 years it's been 17%.

No one can argue away that sort of ineptitude.

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Think of the money saved in wages

fishhhandaricecake said:

I think the issue is mate that Levy isn't a football person naturally, sure he might have watched a lot of games but I don't think he 'gets it' and never will, watch the AON documentary, look at his PR statements and interviews and look at his lack of plan and decision making on the football side over the last 20 years and it is quite clear that he doesn't and will never understand football and what makes teams and clubs successful.

The 2nd issue as per @Trix 's ITK earlier is that there is always so much indecision, so many voices and no semblance of a plan.

What I find interesting is that Levy is very clearly an analytical, accountant type personality so he will want to analyse all the possible information and he gets information overload as a result. He takes ages to make a decision and then ends up confused about which route to take.

On the odd occasion he has an idea in his mind and he does stick to it regardless of any other factors e.g. when he hired Harry Redknapp and Jose Mouriniho, he'd chased both of these managers for quite a few years and approached them both numerous times.

Redknapp at the time he was appointed was absolutely perfect for us, Jose unfortunately in hindsight not so much.

So fast forward to May 2023, the last 3 Managerial decisions have been poor, his bad fit of a plan about Paratici turning Tottenham into Juventus-on-Thames has been torn apart because of Fabio's ban and so Levy is no essentially having to start from scratch like he's never had to do before. Paratici's ban is a blessing in disguise because he didn't align at all well with the ethos and DNA of our club and without that alignment and consistency in approach as Mason and Kane and others have said recently we will never be successful or even really enjoy supporting the club due to the misalignment of values.

So does he:
1) Go along with a plan he's had in his head previously regardless of if it is a good fit for us right now or not e.g. say he previously like Rodgers or Potter or Glasner etc well he will interview all these candidates but will end up with the one he had is eye on regardless.
OR
2) Does he not have a plan/idea and so he flits from pillar to post between completely different Director of Football and Manager targets based on different voices in his ear on that particular day he wakes up (the other board members, Munn, agents pushing certain Managers etc) in which case we could end up with absolutely any Manager all with a complete variety of styles and ages and experience.
OR
3) Does he step back and finally finally realise that the club needs two things, firstly a return to the style of play and DNA that he talked about after Jose was sacked and secondly that we need a project to align with that and therefore a DofF and Manager to both fit this

The decisions as to who we hire next as DofF and Manager and how they fit as a combination and how aligned they are to the style of play we all want and to building a cohesive consistent project will determine the direction and trajectory we next take in terms of performance and results.

This isn't even anymore about a 'last chance saloon' for Levy, its now even gone past that, if he gets the next Manager right and a good DofF to support the Manager we might remain top 8 and slowly claw our way back up again, if he gets one or both of these appointments wrong then we could end up in freefall.

This is why unfortunately I don't think we will end up with Slot and/or a DofF to compliment him because I think Levy overanalyses things, he's too easily influenced and/or he's occasionally stubborn to an idea that may or may not be the right fit for us at the time.

I think we have all now reached panic stage of this 'process'.

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Nah. I've never understood this idea that Levy "isn't a football man" and "doesn't get it".

The guy knows more about Tottenham Hotspur and football than everyone on this forum put together. He has part-owned a football club for 20 years. He knows it top from bottom. He's there every day. He has signed and sold over a hundred players. He knows and is known by everyone in football. He practically runs the Premier League. He is executive chairman of the European Club Association.

He has hundreds of millions of pounds invested in the club - if you're hurt when we lose, imagine how you'd feel if you were him watching the club you support go down the pan and have a fortune riding on!

If you think you know more about football than him, you're deluding yourself. In fact, it's just utterly laughable to think that you do. You are a fan, I am a fan. We are not in the game in the same way as he is, managers are and players are.

The problem isn't that he "isn't a football man" or "doesn't get it". The problem is that he hasn't been making the right choices and, certainly recently, hasn't been good at the football side of his job.

We need Levy to get a new DoF in who isn't a criminal and is better and who can take the whole lot off him.