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wrd · May 23, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
He’s not….. I watched him and his teams a lot over the 4 years I lived in Germany.

People are just trotting out lazy tropes about him being “arrogant” because he is German…..and don’t get me started on this “we mustn’t sign him because he’s a big name manager” guff

He’s a fantastic manager…. Has shown to play exciting football on the front foot, significantly improve both players and teams, brings through youth, speaks excellent English and is young enough to really come in and have a sustainable impact.

For us not to pursue him (if true) makes me wonder/suspicious that we are not really fully committed to the DoF model and are attempting to do it half-heartedly (just an opinion, no way of proving it)

I’m fine with Slot (have very limited knowledge of him but he looks promising) but think it’s a shame if we don’t get Nagelsmann or Gallardo.

I think that Bayern did a good job of presenting him as a micromanager who alienated players.

soflapaul · May 23, 2023

parklane yid said:
Winning trophies is a side effect of attractive, brave and front foot football. Let’s concentrate on those values and see what happens.

It isn't enough. The overall strategy has to be practical to be effective. See Marco Bielsa.

edit: That is why Slot is ready for his next level exam

Timberwolf · May 23, 2023

barry said:
What did you think of this kokcu lad? I thought he was meant to be their best player, and we're tentatively linked.
Also was your top pick Gimenez or Wieffer?
Thanks in advance

From what I've seen of Giminez he looks like a Janssen mk2. Decent at that level but think he'd get eaten alive in the Prem and the drop off from Kane to him would be absolutely colossal compared to, say, a Toney or a Watkins (which would still be pretty big). I've only seen like 3 games though, so maybe I just caught him on a few off-days.

Generally think the level at Feyenoord isn't great, though, and it's more Slot's coaching that makes them impressive rather than individual brilliance. If Slot wants Kokcu, sure, let him have his man, but I think we need to be wary. Even everyone's darlings Brighton have been stung buying from that league: Locadia and Jakhanbasch were dynamite in Holland and absolute turd in the Prem.

Trix · May 23, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
The thing that baffles me re us not going for Nagelsnann is that Levy has actively wanted him at least once if not twice in the past. He has had a long standing interest in him and I’m fairly sure if BM hadn’t have nabbed him in 21 he would already be here.

This is finally the perfect opportunity to pick him up and by all accounts he would be open to the move. I mean, where else is he going to go? PSG? Can’t see it myself. Madrid and Chelsea are off the table. Napoli maybe but they want Gallardo supposedly.

Not to ignore Slot but it really would baffle me if we pass on a long term manager target who is currently out of work and ticks every possible box.

I imagine he's trying to attack this in a different way to how he ended up appointing Jose and Conte.

Dunc2610 · May 23, 2023

wrd said:
I think that Bayern did a good job of presenting him as a micromanager who alienated players.

I think this is where a lot of the rumours about him being arrogant etc come from.

A Bit Much · May 23, 2023

Gilzeanking said:
I quite understand the sentiment here after some grim footie..BUT, my cynical side kicks in when I read this kind of stuff.

If , playing 'attractive football' we lose 10 games in a row you, along with the rest of us, will be demanding change.
Ultimately its victories we crave.

It is victories we crave - but on the journey we want to see attractive football that makes us enjoy watching our team.

I've always thought it was odd (and an old fashioned view these days) that playing dreary football is the most effective way to win - it really isn't these days. Although we manage to play awful football and don't win anyway, so it's an easy choice for me.

I know it's a bit of a miserable view, but we are never going to regularly win things however we play - football is set up in a way which massively limits our chance of success, so many years will go by without us winning stuff. I'd sooner establish a positive and attacking football philosophy at the club so we can at least enjoy it. The last couple of years watching spurs play rubbish football and not even being successful has made me fall out of love with the sport to a large degree - I just want to enjoy my team to start with. The next manager has to offer good football.

wrd · May 23, 2023

parklane yid said:
Winning trophies is a side effect of attractive, brave and front foot football. Let’s concentrate on those values and see what happens.

I love this comment, I have realised the mistake in life of focusing on the end and the past 2/3 years have switched to focusing on the doing and not only is life vastly more enjoyable, the things that would have been previously goals come to fruition at a higher rate. The other issue with focusing on the end result I find is that if you succeed in that method, you get this huge empty feeling of realising that it doesn't fill the hole you created from chasing it. When you focus on values as you said, the goals happen then it feels much more gratifying. It's like they become directions as opposed to aims.

THOWIG · May 23, 2023

Dunc2610 said:
I think this is where a lot of the rumours about him being arrogant etc come from.

100 percent. Their fans are really not happy with the people in charge of the club.

barry · May 23, 2023

Timberwolf said:
From what I've seen of Giminez he looks like a Janssen mk2. Decent at that level but think he'd get eaten alive in the Prem and the drop off from Kane to him would be absolutely colossal compared to, say, a Toney or a Watkins (which would still be pretty big). I've only seen like 3 games though, so maybe I just caught him on a few off-days.

Generally think the level at Feyenoord isn't great, though, and it's more Slot's coaching that makes them impressive rather than individual brilliance. If Slot wants Kokcu, sure, let him have his man, but I think we need to be wary. Even everyone's darlings Brighton have been stung buying from that league: Locadia and Jakhanbasch were dynamite in Holland and absolute turd in the Prem.

Thanks buddy

Yantino · May 23, 2023

Dunc2610 said:
I think this is where a lot of the rumours about him being arrogant etc come from.

This is why you interview people. To establish for yourself if they are the right fit for you or not. Same with any industry.

chas vs dave · May 23, 2023

There is talk that we are also looking a kokco to come in with slot.

What type of player is he?

Trix · May 23, 2023

chas vs dave said:
There is talk that we are also looking a kokco to come in with slot.

What type of player is he?

The type that belongs in a different thread.

Ghost Hardware · May 23, 2023

Trix said:
I imagine he's trying to attack this in a different way to how he ended up appointing Jose and Conte.

Which i get to a certain degree, but when looking at him as a candidate he stacks up very favourably. I still personally think he is the best option available that we have recently been linked with. Not that that means anything of course because im not making the appointment. I know it seems to come down to his requests re DoF, and that in itself also raises the question of control. Obviously we are going of what is published in the press etc, but as far as I can tell Nagelsmann's request's are far from demanding. If anything they are sensible. If anything this sort of foresight is something we have been lacking for far far too long.

If I was going to take a job such as us I would want to know if I will be given the right environment to do my best. That doesn't mean I wouldn't really want the job, I'd just want to know if I could do it to the best of my ability and when it comes to team building that would heavily depend on my working relationship with the DoF.

Anyway, I get what your saying about doing things differently, but Nagelsmann is also a different type of manager who ticks all the right boxes. And im sure one of the appealing things for Levy re Slot is that he will likely be more of a yes man. It just surprises me is all.

yido_number1 · May 23, 2023

Yapptiestrap said:
RDZ has 4 seasons in Europe’s top 5 leagues with a track record of improving said teams. Sassuolo and Brighton. Slot has zero in top 5 leagues. This means he has a greater pedigree. I’m not sure how this is such a controversial point.

I'm happy to bang the slot drum now purely for what might be and what could happen.

Fact is we know De Zerbis team plays great football and is competing above the sum of its parts. If it was possible I'd take him but only because Ive seen it first hand.

Slot is the unknown but I'm excited now to see what happens.

Mattyhp · May 23, 2023

I suspect Nagelsmann isn’t convinced/totally comfortable with the proposed structure. There does seem to be a strong indication (in the press at least so required pinch of salt required) is that the DOF will be more of a head/Director of recruitment reporting into Munn. It’s not beyond the realms that Nagelsmann wants his next club to have more of a heavyweight in that role than we are looking at. You couple that with the fact we haven’t appointed anyone at all, it’s hardly surprising he isn’t giving us his unwavering commitment. Slot might well be more agile, maybe impressed enough by Munn to be less concerned on the remit/appointment of the DOF. Finally, Nagelsmann was sacked pretty out of the blue and for non footballing reasons so has every right to be cautious on his next appointment

Now it's Spursonal · May 23, 2023

Couple of articles on Slot this morning:

Nizaar Kinsella of the Evening Standard is following what most said yesterday about a crunch meeting between Slot and Feyenoord planned for tomorrow. He claims Feyenoord could look for compensation over £12 million.

AD, a leading Dutch sports source have said Feyenoord will play hardball in negotiations with Tottenham Hotspur about a possible move of coach Arne Slot to London, and is looking for a 'Nagelsmann-like transfer fee' (~25 million euros).

De Volkskrant journalist Bert Wagendorp says Feyenoord are set to earn ‘tens of millions’ not only through Slot’s departure but also from Kökçü’s sale to Tottenham.
He claims Spurs ‘will come with an offer this week’ for both the manager and the 22-year-old midfielder.

Led's Zeppelin · May 23, 2023

Mattyhp said:
I suspect Nagelsmann isn’t convinced/totally comfortable with the proposed structure. There does seem to be a strong indication (in the press at least so required pinch of salt required) is that the DOF will be more of a head/Director of recruitment reporting into Munn. It’s not beyond the realms that Nagelsmann wants his next club to have more of a heavyweight in that role than we are looking at. You couple that with the fact we haven’t appointed anyone at all, it’s hardly surprising he isn’t giving us his unwavering commitment. Slot might well be more agile, maybe impressed enough by Munn to be less concerned on the remit/appointment of the DOF. Finally, Nagelsmann was sacked pretty out of the blue and for non footballing reasons so has every right to be cautious on his next appointment

It's just possible that we haven't appointed a DOF yet because there may be at least two candidates for each position,, and the ideal would be to get the two who make the best partnership, so announcing one could tie us into the other before that decision has finally been made, and leave us high and dry.

Spinning plates can't go on for ever, but we've been told no appointments would be announced before the end of the season, so I'm not convinced that anyone is absolutely ruled out yet unless we've been told so categorically by them or by the club.

muppetman · May 23, 2023

yido_number1 said:
I'm happy to bang the slot drum now purely for what might be and what could happen.

Fact is we know De Zerbis team plays great football and is competing above the sum of its parts. If it was possible I'd take him but only because Ive seen it first hand.

Slot is the unknown but I'm excited now to see what happens.

Agree with this, we desperately need some optimism about the place and Slot does feel a little hopeful.

Mattyhp · May 23, 2023

Let’s face it with Levy anything could happen…including Potter or Rodgers rocking up to Hotspur way!

Mate · May 23, 2023

Not sure if new news but this is what our beloved VDV had to say on the matter:

Former Spurs Rafael Van Der Vaart speaking to Studio Voetbal on Arne Slot:

"I do know Tottenham really wants him. They asked what I thought of him. You know what I think of him, he squeezed out the maximum, Feyenoord is so stable. Even today, after they found out and partied all week.”

Van Der Vaart goes on to admit he gave Spurs a ‘green light’ to pursue the Feyenoord coach:

"Very green light. Tottenham is a club I have been in for two years and I have a good relationship with it. They just miss a good coach and a coach who plays the fun football Tottenham always stood for.”

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