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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

KingNick

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I dunno I’d I agree with that to be honest. I don’t think it’s just about instructions either (assuming you meant tactical stuff) but more about man management, motivation, confidence building. I think you’re more likely connect to players more if you adopt a more arm around type of approach and seem to have a genuine care about the man and not just the footballer like a Poch or Klopp or something.
He does all the motivational stuff as a group and you only have to read the testimonials of so many of his former players to see that it works and why. From the Gooners documentary, you could see that other members of staff were left to do more of the one-to-one stuff off the pitch (performance coaches and sports psychologists).
It's actually a more modern technique.
 

muppetman

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Not being funny but he hasn’t worked with elite level players before so will have to see if it translates at top level
People are people, so not convinced that will matter. Hopefully if the players try to do a Danny Rose and run off to Daddy then they will quickly be told to fuck off!
 

KingNick

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Not being funny but he hasn’t worked with elite level players before so will have to see if it translates at top level
Odd that you think elite players need more (or different) confidence building than less talented players.
 

E17yid

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He does all the motivational stuff as a group and you only have to read the testimonials of so many of his former players to see that it works and why. From the Gooners documentary, you could see that other members of staff were left to do more of the one-to-one stuff off the pitch (performance coaches and sports psychologists).
It's actually a more modern technique.
I’m not sure adopting an approach where you’re distant with your players to the point where you don’t have 1 on 1 conversations with them is modern. I can’t think of any other managers who have said something like this. It has worked for him in the past but he’s operating at a totally different level now.
 

Dunc2610

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I’m not sure adopting an approach where you’re distant with your players to the point where you don’t have 1 on 1 conversations with them is modern. I can’t think of any other managers who have said something like this. It has worked for him in the past but he’s operating at a totally different level now.
Maybe give him a chance before you judge his approach. As has been said plenty of previous colleagues have sung his praises and I'm sure if someone REALLY needs a cuddle he'll give them one!
 

E17yid

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Odd that you think elite players need more (or different) confidence building than less talented players.
I think there’s a plethora of things that managers have to consider when managing say a Mpabbe compared to a player in the Australian league.
 

E17yid

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Maybe give him a chance before you judge his approach. As has been said plenty of previous colleagues have sung his praises and I'm sure if someone REALLY needs a cuddle he'll give them one!
I’m expressing a concern. No judgment. It’s ok to do this you know. You can still support a manager and have concerns at the same time. Hopefully my concerns are unwarranted.
 

Trix

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Judging by his apparent style, and his history, I wouldn't be surprised if he'll tell the club to move Kane & Son on as I don't believe either of them is hard-working enough in the front, or good enough pressers. If Ange does want to let them go, I can't see Levy not intervening and if they go, the fans will go mad. Either way, hell might break loose lol.
Hard working or not they are clever and will understand his instruction better than most. If you are looking for players to find half spaces and move the ball quickly between the lines then there are few better than Kane and Son for knowing where the other is and finding that space.

I honestly think as a collective we are fixated on him definitely playing exactly the same way he did at Celtic when he's played multiple different systems at different clubs 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3. The only thing that doesn't change is his philosophy of moving the ball forward quickly and exploiting the spaces. If he sets up like he did at Celtic without major changes to personnel we will get ripped apart week after week. He's far from a stupid man and will know this. He will understand for instance he won't need to, or even be able to, create the number of chances his Celtic team did because our finishing is far superior. This won't mean he changes his philosophy, he wont. He'll still play to those fundamentals just maybe with a 2 man double pivot instead of one. I just don't believe this squad will get the major surgery required to play his Celtic system for a while, it's just far too many in's and out's.
 

muppetman

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Hard working or not they are clever and will understand his instruction better than most. If you are looking for players to find half spaces and move the ball quickly between the lines then there are few better than Kane and Son for knowing where the other is and finding that space.

I honestly think as a collective we are fixated on him definitely playing exactly the same way he did at Celtic when he's played multiple different systems at different clubs 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3. The only thing that doesn't change is his philosophy of moving the ball forward quickly and exploiting the spaces. If he sets up like he did at Celtic without major changes to personnel we will get ripped apart week after week. He's far from a stupid man and will know this. He will understand for instance he won't need to, or even be able to, create the number of chances his Celtic team did because our finishing is far superior. This won't mean he changes his philosophy, he wont. He'll still play to those fundamentals just maybe with a 2 man double pivot instead of one. I just don't believe this squad will get the major surgery required to play his Celtic system for a while, it's just far too many in's and out's.
Agree with this. Everything I've seen and read says that he has cast-iron attacking principles that he won't budge from, but also a burning desire to win. He's therefore going to do everything he can to win - which isn't going to be selling Sonny and Kane.

That doesn't mean they won't be sold as I think the Kane situation in particular is out of his hands, but he'd be mental to want to do so just so he could play exactly the way Celtic did with nearly 75% possession!
 

Timberwolf

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I’m a bit concerned that he’s a very distant guy and, by his own admission, doesn’t talk to players one on one for longer than a minute. That may be alright for sub standard players in weaker leagues but not sure how that management style will translate at the elite level. Maybe it would be fine for someone really established at that level like a Ferguson or something but I’m not sure how that will play out with our lot. Also weird how he doesn’t have his own back room staff and just tends to rock up on his own
I suspect every top manager has a different approach to this and I highly doubt every "elite" manager has the exact same approach and has long intense 1-2-1 chats with every player.

Many top managers are renowned for basically ignoring and barely speaking to half the squad individually. Tuchel is renowned for being frosty and aloof, while I very much doubt Conte has many 1-2-1s with the players.

Honestly reckon we're reading into it too much and there are plenty of other managers at all levels of the game that do exactly the same as Ange, while there are plenty of others who have success with more of a personal touch and lots of individual time.

Don't think there's a correct or incorrect way, necessarily, provided the players buy in to the manager's ideas and methods.
 

KingNick

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I suspect every top manager has a different approach to this and I highly doubt every "elite" manager and has long intense 1-2-1 chats with every player.

Many top managers are renowned for basically ignoring and barely speaking to half the squad individually. Tuchel is renowned for being frosty and aloof, while I very much doubt Conte has many 1-2-1s with the players.

Honestly reckon we're reading into it too much and there are plenty of other managers at all levels of the game that do exactly the same as Ange, while there are plenty of others who have success with more of a personal touch and lots of individual time.

Don't think there's a correct or incorrect way, necessarily, provided the players buy in to the manager's ideas and methods.
Remember that cringe-inducing phone call in the dressing room when Harry broke the goal scoring record, it was like two blokes that had never spoken before. So stilted and emotionless.
 

fecka

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Hard working or not they are clever and will understand his instruction better than most. If you are looking for players to find half spaces and move the ball quickly between the lines then there are few better than Kane and Son for knowing where the other is and finding that space.

I honestly think as a collective we are fixated on him definitely playing exactly the same way he did at Celtic when he's played multiple different systems at different clubs 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3. The only thing that doesn't change is his philosophy of moving the ball forward quickly and exploiting the spaces. If he sets up like he did at Celtic without major changes to personnel we will get ripped apart week after week. He's far from a stupid man and will know this. He will understand for instance he won't need to, or even be able to, create the number of chances his Celtic team did because our finishing is far superior. This won't mean he changes his philosophy, he wont. He'll still play to those fundamentals just maybe with a 2 man double pivot instead of one. I just don't believe this squad will get the major surgery required to play his Celtic system for a while, it's just far too many in's and out's.
From my limited knowledge about Ange, his teams press relentlessly no matter the formation and players who don't do the work on and off the ball have historically been forced to leave the club. That's all there is to it from my end. As individuals, they are by far our best players, but that hasn't stopped the big man in his previous jobs.

It'll be very interesting to see how we line up and play, who leaves and who stays. For the first time in a decade, I can barely even guess what we'll do lol.
 

Joshua shepherd

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It's a two horse race that's for sure but Rangers won the 21/22 title by 25 points.

Ange's Celtic won the title the next season by 4 points.

Not sure even Klopp's efforts with Dortmund come close to that kind of turnaround..

Contes chelsea had a 43 point swing when he came in. The likelihood is that celtics poor season before Ange came in was an anomaly which was soon rectified.
 

Trix

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I’m not sure adopting an approach where you’re distant with your players to the point where you don’t have 1 on 1 conversations with them is modern. I can’t think of any other managers who have said something like this. It has worked for him in the past but he’s operating at a totally different level now.
I wouldn't worry about that. Every interview I've seen or heard with an ex player or coach that knows him seems to mention this yet love him anyway.
 

funkycoldmedina

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Not being funny but he hasn’t worked with elite level players before so will have to see if it translates at top level
People are people. The same things motivate at all different levels in all walks of life. Every ex player says his teams would run through brick walls for him. I'm pretty sure he understands how to motivate, you don't have the longevity of career he's had if you're a surly wanker
 

Trix

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From my limited knowledge about Ange, his teams press relentlessly no matter the formation and players who don't do the work on and off the ball have historically been forced to leave the club. That's all there is to it from my end. As individuals, they are by far our best players, but that hasn't stopped the big man in his previous jobs.

It'll be very interesting to see how we line up and play, who leaves and who stays. For the first time in a decade, I can barely even guess what we'll do lol.
Son is capable of it, he just doesn't do it effectively any more and needs it coached into him. Harry not so much, but if Harry wants to stay then every manager in the world should try and accommodate that, by tweaking their system. You'd have to be an idiot not to.
 

mmmdoughnuts

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I suspect every top manager has a different approach to this and I highly doubt every "elite" manager has the exact same approach and has long intense 1-2-1 chats with every player.

Many top managers are renowned for basically ignoring and barely speaking to half the squad individually. Tuchel is renowned for being frosty and aloof, while I very much doubt Conte has many 1-2-1s with the players.

Honestly reckon we're reading into it too much and there are plenty of other managers at all levels of the game that do exactly the same as Ange, while there are plenty of others who have success with more of a personal touch and lots of individual time.

Don't think there's a correct or incorrect way, necessarily, provided the players buy in to the manager's ideas and methods.
To me it speaks to a management style that believes that successful teams are built around self motivated and resilient individuals. The every man is captain philosophy. It certainly helps you weed out early who cannot motivate themselves. In my working life, my experience is the best teams are the ones that can cope when the boss is not there. A bit like when the players are out on the pitch and its going wrong. It doesn't mean he is unfriendly or divisive. It's very hard to create a vision and high performance with a bunch of very needy individuals.
 

E17yid

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People are people. The same things motivate at all different levels in all walks of life. Every ex player says his teams would run through brick walls for him. I'm pretty sure he understands how to motivate, you don't have the longevity of career he's had if you're a surly wanker
I totally disagree that people are people to be honest but I doubt we’ll agree on it.
 

kent brockman

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Really looking forward to see how AP views his options in our squad, and how he will set us up.

Hopefully we will add recovery pace at the back, to reduce the risk of getting killed on the counter.
 
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