Completely agree with this. For all our (justified) complaints about ins at times (the lack of a new CB since Romero the most obvious example) outs has been a far bigger problem. If we could clear out the dead wood and buy a GK, CB, LB and AM/winger plus a couple of depth options (second CB most important) I’d expect us to make the CL next year. The operative word in that sentence is ‘if’
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Yantino
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I've been saying the same thing for ages and it's been laughed at.
There are a core of young, talented player already there that, when coached correctly will do quite well. Especially with perhaps a couple of additions.
But the focus needs to be on clearing the squad of the surplus of average, unwanted players who have been at the club for far too long.
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I think you are very close to being spot on but not in a 433.
With what we have available I can't see any other way than a form of 442
Except a deep fully defensive dm that drops in to a defensive 3 when we lose possession probably biss or new 2 cms in front of him bents and preferably 1 new who can actually pass and be another all rounder
Porro and udogie High up
Kulu or a new 10 in front of them and a mix of kane son and Richie in front of them
With our current squad I can't see how our new manager can play a attacking possession based team without major signings and it works.
Metalhead
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That's why it was more of a question. Obviously social media has developed to the extent that discussions that were once restricted to mates/discussions at games has now widened to a larger audience - it's just that it's become such a massive debate now as to whether players can 'fit' a certain system and people talk about wholesale changes when a coach comes in with a different philosophy. I just don't remember it being such a big deal in the past.
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Changing formation isn't changing his style, he's adapting to what he has while keeping the same philosophy.
This thread is funny sometimes, we've got people hanging onto Nathan's every word and convinced that we're going to 'do a Leeds' (in a different sense), then we've got people already complaining that we're forcing an attacking manager to change his style!
Bloke hasn't even got started yet.
Metalhead
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Everyone's an expert these days.
McFlash
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Even Nathan, apparently!
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Nuno did
fletch82
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Why on God's sunny earth would anybody care
As long as it's good football and we aren't getting our panties pulled down regularly he could play any formation he wants.
Weird thing to moan about
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Yep this would be mouthwatering if given time to adapt to ange's tactics, then it would be about having the right back-ups to this.
fishhhandaricecake
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Completely agree mate, we'd be fine in a 4-3-3, only benefit of a 4-2-3-1 would be to fit Kulu into a n.o10 role and convert Porro to a RAM.
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Sure. If we were playing tomorrow the 4 3 3 would might look like this. Don't overthink the players I am picking. I have Skipp over Bissouma for example, because Bissouma is a bit of an unkown quantity.I think you are very close to being spot on but not in a 433.
With what we have available I can't see any other way than a form of 442
Except a deep fully defensive dm that drops in to a defensive 3 when we lose possession probably biss or new 2 cms in front of him bents and preferably 1 new who can actually pass and be another all rounder
Porro and udogie High up
Kulu or a new 10 in front of them and a mix of kane son and Richie in front of them
With our current squad I can't see how our new manager can play a attacking possession based team without major signings and it works.
Lloris
(Forster)
Royal Cuti Dier Davies
(Tanganga) (Sanchez) (Lenglet) (Udogie)
Skipp
(Bissouma)
Deki Bentancur
(Sarr) (PEH)
Porro Kane Son
(Persic) (Richy) (Gil)
Now some of this is a little fancyful. Like Gil, or Deki but I actually doubt it, is more likely to come in for Persic I believe. and Porro for Tanganga. But this team isn't that far off. Clearly we need a CB or two, probably a fullback. Definetly a more offensive midfielder, and I would say a naturally right sided winger. (Forster)
Royal Cuti Dier Davies
(Tanganga) (Sanchez) (Lenglet) (Udogie)
Skipp
(Bissouma)
Deki Bentancur
(Sarr) (PEH)
Porro Kane Son
(Persic) (Richy) (Gil)
So we are looking at ideally, 5 signings. Thats not too bad at all. I also don't think this team would do badly at all.
Ange seems to like a midfield 3 with a number 10 playing as an 8, Deki, who actually thinks his best position is Central, should thrive in that position I believe. A more box to box like number 8, Bentacur can do this, good at running late into box, good passer too. tbh he could play as the holder too. Particularly as Ange seems to like a player who can set the tempo. PEH can do the N.8 too, not a perfect fit, but he got 9 goal contributions for a reason last season. At DM we are sorted. Skipp is a developing player that would benefit from being in a positon he can be more agressive and without us being outnumbered in that position. Bissouma might thirve too.
Ange likes wingers to be wingers, to stick out wide. Son has been playing more centrally but when we signed him he was a winger, he might even end up playing him on the right tbh. Porro could do that role well, provide width etc. I see that as more likely his role because at Full back he might be able to do the underlaping well,. The Full backs are extremely important defensively in Ange teams. The point is to free up the wingers, so they are able to quickly recieve the ball in transition. Therefore, I think Davies and Royal would be well suited to the position.
So, I don't think we are far from it. Ange has played possession based football with very limited sides that aren't that technical, such as Australia. This is because the idea is to create the spaces. when players are in spaces, and trained to pass very quickly, trained to win the ball back quickly, then it is easier to play that kind of football. Obviously we could do with a few more players comfortable on the ball, but it's not all about having technical players. (Winks can also keep the ball and is our player but I'm not going there). But while we do need a rebuild it's not like our team is completely unprepared. He takes the team as is he has enough to work with to create a semblence of what he wants. In all of his teams he is not scared of overhalls and we might see that here too. But its not like its impossible to play 433.
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Why on God's sunny earth would anybody care
As long as it's good football and we aren't getting our panties pulled down regularly he could play any formation he wants.
Weird thing to moan about
I just think we have midfielders who could flourish off a single pivot.
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No way we get Chiesa. Just no way. But we wont play that. I would be terrified of the fullbacks, and I dont think we have enough width. And I'm not entirely sure on Bissouma still for a whole host of reasons. I also think getting rid of Deki, who is a young player still, who has shown a remarkable top level is madness. I personally am convinced Deki will play N.8 mostly, as he doesnt really fit as a wide player in Ange system as I understand it. Porro doesnt fit as a fullback not Udogie fits either. Davies and Royal fit perfectly as his kind of fullbacks so would be shocked if they werent the players starting first game of the season. Might be Porro, but it really depends how Ange trusts him to essentially play a tucked in position, particularly defensively.
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From everything I've heard. the countless interviews, podcasts and tactical breakdowns Ange seems incredibly unflexible and stubborn. I think he would 100% think, not can I make these players work and 100% can these players do what I need them to do. And if they can't I think he will 100% get rid of them rregardless of reputation. For what it's worth I don't think thats a bad thing.
Also he used 433 for much in his time at Australia, 433 in japan and 433 at Celtic, I'd be shocked if he doesn't play 433, the only time he played 4231 was when he just took over the Australia job right before the world cup, he did later play a back 3 alsofor Australia so maybe he would go back. But I suspect he intends to play a 433 and personally I'd prefer him to. He's certainly not going to change the nature of his fullbacks. I think it's a crucial element of the way his teams attack.
Personally, we also have to accept odds are that we will start very slowly, be caught out in possesion a lot and probably lose a game by aan embarrasing amount of goals early on. And both us and the players will have to accept it's part of a proccess. He wont change it. He will continue doing the same things until it clicks or it completely goes to shit, something he has yet to actually experience. He is a tough stubborn man. Who has positive mindset, allows space for players to make mistake, but wont take any winging, dessent or compromise and doesn't want to be players friends.
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