Transfer prices have increased significantly since when bought Wimmer and N'Jie. 30 or 40 million isn't that much when other teams we like to think we are competing against are spending double that.
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Transfer prices have increased significantly since when bought Wimmer and N'Jie. 30 or 40 million isn't that much when other teams we like to think we are competing against are spending double that.
Japhet
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We spent it because we were never going anywhere with a 36,000 capacity stadium. We built the best modern stadium in the world, and although other financially doped clubs outspend us now, we now spend way more on football than we ever did previously. Levy has set us up for the long game. We're reaping the benefits already in spite of the debt, but it still needs to be serviced.
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haha, this thread never changes. It's why there's no point in getting too involved.
Levy gets criticised and you get something good he's done held up as a 'what about' or like it nullifies the criticism, Levy gets defended and you get the same, in reverse
Thankfully, a few people see this and understand it for what it is. It's circular and pointless. The club is (seemingly) embarking on a real change and about time too. There's a list of things he's done well and there's a list of things he hasn't, we all know that, so point scoring from whichever side of the fence you sit on is just a heap of smelly plop-plops. All of this is a good start, that's all it is, stop jumping the gun or being so eager to carry on with the criticism, temper the praise with 'so far', judge it as a whole after a couple of years. Let's see.
Levy gets criticised and you get something good he's done held up as a 'what about' or like it nullifies the criticism, Levy gets defended and you get the same, in reverse
Thankfully, a few people see this and understand it for what it is. It's circular and pointless. The club is (seemingly) embarking on a real change and about time too. There's a list of things he's done well and there's a list of things he hasn't, we all know that, so point scoring from whichever side of the fence you sit on is just a heap of smelly plop-plops. All of this is a good start, that's all it is, stop jumping the gun or being so eager to carry on with the criticism, temper the praise with 'so far', judge it as a whole after a couple of years. Let's see.
PLTuck
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And conversely, what we paid for our record singing 5 years ago is now routinely paid for players.
You think we could do this without the extra revenue?
I am still not seeing the benefit to this? We are just paying the average players we buy (for standard premier league fees) high wages so when we want to sell them no one who would want them can afford them?
PLTuck
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haha, this thread never changes. It's why there's no point in getting too involved.
Levy gets criticised and you get something good he's done held up as a 'what about' or like it nullifies the criticism, Levy gets defended and you get the same, in reverse
Thankfully, a few people see this and understand it for what it is. It's circular and pointless. The club is (seemingly) embarking on a real change and about time too. There's a list of things he's done well and there's a list of things he hasn't, we all know that, so point scoring from whichever side of the fence you sit on is just a heap of smelly plop-plops. All of this is a good start, that's all it is, stop jumping the gun or being so eager to carry on with the criticism, temper the praise with 'so far', judge it as a whole after a couple of years. Let's see.
We're bored waiting for preseason
But yeah, he isn't faultless (who is?), but he isn't the evil mastermind either.
Dougal
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I think my main issue with this is I have already given him a couple of years after all the other ‘new day, new me’ moments he has had over the years so it’s just a little difficult to accept that this one is the real one. All the others were the real one too at some point. He’s no good for you girl!!haha, this thread never changes. It's why there's no point in getting too involved.
Levy gets criticised and you get something good he's done held up as a 'what about' or like it nullifies the criticism, Levy gets defended and you get the same, in reverse
Thankfully, a few people see this and understand it for what it is. It's circular and pointless. The club is (seemingly) embarking on a real change and about time too. There's a list of things he's done well and there's a list of things he hasn't, we all know that, so point scoring from whichever side of the fence you sit on is just a heap of smelly plop-plops. All of this is a good start, that's all it is, stop jumping the gun or being so eager to carry on with the criticism, temper the praise with 'so far', judge it as a whole after a couple of years. Let's see.
PLTuck
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You have partly answered your own question. Wages add a big chunk to the headline fee. If you want the player to come, you have to pay them.
Tell me you weren't excited by NDombele when we signed him? Don;t forget he was the most highly sought after young midfielders in Europe. We have also signed a former Serie A defender of the year, and now the Serie A GK of the year.
We would not have squad players that we have paid £60m for on £150k+ a week (Richy) with a 36,000 stadium, a training ground that is fallen apart at the seams, and all the extra revenue streams.
Well we don't pay £60 million for squad players, those have been our most expensive signings. The problem is we try and do it half arsed, we pay bigger wages to players which are more than most clubs can afford but we don't want to pay the wages the top players want so we end up stuck with fairly decent to average players who we can't shift.
PLTuck
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Richy is not a guaranteed starter, and wasn't when we signed him. Ergo he is a squad player.
This is another weirdness around these parts. Levy is apparently risk averse, yet gambles £40m + massive wages to a young unproven player in NDombele and he gets slated for both being averse and simultaneously taking too many risks that didnt pan out.
You can't have it both ways.
My theory was he was bought to eventually replace Harry Kane but I do take your point.
My main problem with Levy is he operates the club like a business where the main objective is to make as much money as possible along with being a big brand so it can be sold for the highest price. The actual football is secondary.
PLTuck
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And this is the narrative I don't buy into. I'll caveat this first in completely agreeing that since the CL final it has been a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
Firstly, if it was just about profit on the original investment over 20 years ago, he's had ample opportunity to do sell up and do that and join Joe on a yacht counting his billions, and yet hasn't. Nor seemingly has any desire to do so.
Secondly, if the football is completely secondary, why did he hire Jose and Conte? Why are we taking a massive punt on NDombele? Why are we paying £60m for a squad player? Why did we go against the habit of a lifetime and sign a 33 year old on huge wages?
He is a stickler for sustainability, with that I agree. I don't see that as a bad thing though. I also don't see it as putting the football secondary. I see it as living in the real world.
longtimespur
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Just out of curiosity what makes you think Levy is actually negotiating these signings now. Yes he’s signing the cheque but has never acted like this before. Even the Bale money was for Levy to spend.
Now, HOPEFULLY, he’s got people working on this instead of him. I don’t/can’t believe it will last and he will revert to type and buy the cheaper whether the manager wants the player or not.
Yes he still signs the cheque as he has the position/responsibility to. I’m hoping the negotiations are done before and the agreement reached then he signs it off.
Time may tell.
Do people who make comments on our spending even bother to look at the annual accounts so they can see for themselves on the interest we pay on debt, and how much profit is available for spending on players - and how the new stadium has affected that compared to old WHL?
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You can still want him gone but also hope he manages to put together a good transfer window for the club you support. There’s enough history there to be firm in your belief that he is a problem, but for the sake of the club hope he can at least change a bit for the better until he is gone.
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SirNiNyHotspur
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Haha 22 years and now Archibald is saying give them time, he’s been broken… ENICs life story with us has been let’s wait and see, always next year, futures bright, this excuse, that excuse, full of ‘game changing’haha, this thread never changes. It's why there's no point in getting too involved.
Levy gets criticised and you get something good he's done held up as a 'what about' or like it nullifies the criticism, Levy gets defended and you get the same, in reverse
Thankfully, a few people see this and understand it for what it is. It's circular and pointless. The club is (seemingly) embarking on a real change and about time too. There's a list of things he's done well and there's a list of things he hasn't, we all know that, so point scoring from whichever side of the fence you sit on is just a heap of smelly plop-plops. All of this is a good start, that's all it is, stop jumping the gun or being so eager to carry on with the criticism, temper the praise with 'so far', judge it as a whole after a couple of years. Let's see.
to come. With Maddison you are acting like a pack of cheap tarts, all very predictable for them as they aim to get their Euro income back and appease the majority. He’s struck gold with you lot…
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You're so enlightened. What I'm actually saying give it time before saying he's learned his lesson or has changed. Fuck. Me.Haha 22 years and now Archibald is saying give them time, he’s been broken… ENICs life story with us has been let’s wait and see, always next year, futures bright, this excuse, that excuse, full of ‘game changing’
And right there is why I don't get involved in this shit too much any more. Because whatever side of the argument, you'll find someone like this, who'll wilfully misrepresent because he's that fucking rabid. I think it's time to shut up and wait for his loftiness to fuck up again before some other numpty goes further and calls me a BeeSoDdLe
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robin09
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Good start to the window, but still plenty of time for us to end up like almost every other fanbase during the summer - where we feel we've missed out on our top targets, haven't bid enough, rivals are spending more, deals are drawn out and taking too long to complete etc
We're fully in honeymoon period double whammy right now. New manager and a whole transfer window full of promise.
We're fully in honeymoon period double whammy right now. New manager and a whole transfer window full of promise.
cliff jones
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Spending a bit to arrest a downward spiral
Leopard...spots
Has everyone forgotten the lack of CB for Conte last summer, appointing Stellini, 5-0 after 20 mins, spending a big lump on an RWB and hiring a 433 coach
1 league cup
Leopard...spots
Has everyone forgotten the lack of CB for Conte last summer, appointing Stellini, 5-0 after 20 mins, spending a big lump on an RWB and hiring a 433 coach
1 league cup
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