The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

fishhhandaricecake · Aug 16, 2023

Schultz said:
Why not just buy the players we need as soon as we can and help the coach out as early as we can. And then sell the players we don't require. Why does everything need to be done in the order that most deterimental to the club?

It hasn’t all be done in that order mate, we’ve bought a GK, CB, AM & WF
And 2 young players (CB&ST) + Kulu on a perm.

We absolutely need 3 more but we’ve not waited to sell to bring anyone in we’ve bought 4 fairly significant signings.

Goobers · Aug 16, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Just to play devils advocate what if Ange said he’s happy with Richy for now and that he’ll put Sonny up there if needed and that he’s ok for us to assess the market to try and get the best option possible rather than take what is available right now?

I think it’s more likely that we’ve already spent a lot of the Kane money and without selling some players Levy won’t sign off a new striker yet in which case that is annoying as it’s obviously extremely important we get another one in.

So hard to say without knowing the full picture but we can probably all guess what is going on same as usual.

Great point and as I wrote earlier I think this to be the case.
The problem is that if Ange did come out and say something like that I think we would all know it was a lie. He will say something about the squad having significant quality in it which is true, but it is not what we need to move forward from where we are which is a long way from where I think we want to be.
Now the question that this leads to is where the owners want us to be and of that I have no idea currently.

alfie103 · Aug 16, 2023

Led's Zeppelin said:
I don't know anyone who's content with that. It should be a stepping stone to greater things.

I think some people do feel some pride in qualifying for the CL though, and I don't think we should begrudge them that: for years it seemed like an impossible task. But it doesn't mean for the fans it's an end in itself . i don't know anyone who thinks it is.

Unfortunately, it hasn't been a stepping stone to greater things. We have managed to qualify for the champions league quite regularly and there hasn't been any noticeable improvement from that position and if anything, we are currently regressing.

In my opinion, most fans see Levy doesn't seem willing to try and compete for the top honours and some have a dismissive attitude to the other competitions so for these fans, 'competing' for the top 4 is best we can get.

Schultz · Aug 16, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
It hasn’t all be done in that order mate, we’ve bought a GK, CB, AM & WF
And 2 young players (CB&ST) + Kulu on a perm.

We absolutely need 3 more but we’ve not waited to sell to bring anyone in we’ve bought 4 fairly significant signings.

Sorry, it feels that way. Orban is another we'll miss out on because we won't move in it until later. We hear he won't move till he sells players. Now we are hearing he wants fees for the likes of Hugo before letting him go. He'll never change.

Fredo · Aug 16, 2023

A club with proper management up top would've got deals in place for their outs early - and we've known who needs to go for seasons. But no, and now its the same excuse again regarding having a bloated squad so we have to wait on incomings, and yes we do have an overcrowded squad but its because of our own doing. They're clueless, and the reigns need to be passed up to someone with ambition and the willingness to bring in intelligent football men to run this club as soon as possible.

Yantino · Aug 16, 2023

Top 4 definitely felt like an unreachable goal 15 or so years ago. And it’s easy to forget how much we have progressed in that regard under ENIC. As a business thee club are in a much better place.

However, a string of poor decisions over the few years have really set us back. We were very fortunate to qualify for it last season (although doing so was hugely enjoyable).

this season being out of Europe might be a good thing for us. Although it’s meant losing Harry, it means we can trim the squad right back when we find buyers and allow Ange some time to build what he wants.

Fidget · Aug 16, 2023

Good business would be to take the hit and move them on, saving long term wages.
It really isn’t rocket science, it’s very simple mathematics and makes me wonder why Levy doesn’t want to save money?
Doesn’t make sense when you realise how he works.
Harry was earning getting on for a million a month. The 7 unwanteds are wasting away more wages as I type.
There is no business sense to Levy’s financials with selling.
And it just goes on and on.

Goobers · Aug 16, 2023

Fredo said:
A club with proper management up top would've got deals in place for their outs early - and we've known who needs to go for seasons. But no, and now its the same excuse again regarding having a bloated squad so we have to wait on incomings, and yes we do have an overcrowded squad but its because of our own doing. They're clueless, and the reigns need to be passed up to someone with ambition and the willingness to bring in intelligent football men to run this club as soon as possible.

Well exactly but the biggest issue is that we have know or seen the effects of this before, during and after we challenged for the Premier League title and got to Champion's league final and yet here we are .....

Led's Zeppelin · Aug 16, 2023

alfie103 said:
Unfortunately, it hasn't been a stepping stone to greater things. We have managed to qualify for the champions league quite regularly and there hasn't been any noticeable improvement from that position and if anything, we are currently regressing.

In my opinion, most fans see Levy doesn't seem willing to try and compete for the top honours and some have a dismissive attitude to the other competitions so for these fans, 'competing' for the top 4 is best we can get.

Yes, quite.

That's what I'm saying. I don't think most fans think this is good enough. But it doesn't mean we need to be envious of WH...we should be aiming far higher than the competition they won.

I don't think that's dismissive, just realistic.

Nerine · Aug 16, 2023

All I can do is ask myself: “What is this football club’s purpose?”

I legitimately don’t know the answer to that question.

I find it incredibly difficult to support a rudderless regime that has no manifesto to buy into.

If anyone can divulge a genuine purpose of our club that isn’t lining the pockets of its investors, I’d love to hear it…

Goobers · Aug 16, 2023

Fidget said:
Good business would be to take the hit and move them on, saving long term wages.
It really isn’t rocket science, it’s very simple mathematics and makes me wonder why Levy doesn’t want to save money?
Doesn’t make sense when you realise how he works.
Harry was earning getting on for a million a month. The 7 unwanteds are wasting away more wages as I type.
There is no business sense to Levy’s financials with selling.
And it just goes on and on.

My take - Daniel knows that European clubs ( markedly English ones ) do really silly, stupid deals late in every transfer window and can see a deal to be had there and if he things he can do better and get more in the door then he will. So concerning. and certainly not the way to run a massive football club who is also allegedly a "financial juggernaut".

alfie103 · Aug 16, 2023

Led's Zeppelin said:
Yes, quite.

That's what I'm saying. I don't think most fans think this is good enough. But it doesn't mean we need to be envious of WH...we should be aiming far higher than the competition they won.

I don't think that's dismissive, just realistic.

But if we aren't prepared to try and seriously compete for the top honours, what else should we do? Levy isn't aiming higher than to finish 4th with no real intent on winning other trophies. I don't see what else we can aim for.

Fidget · Aug 16, 2023

Just fgs get rid of these leeches who are happy to leech away like they’re right up the trouser leg, leeching away the clubs life. Especially un-dom-belly.

Schultz · Aug 16, 2023

As a fanbase, it's time to start making our collective voice heard. It's time to make it has uncomfortable as we possibly can for him to stay.

Might not be enough but at least we'll know we are doing what we can.

UncleBuck · Aug 16, 2023

I’ve given up.
Gave up my season ticket as I ain’t giving ENIC another penny after the great ticket price robbery, £70 for a kids kit, it’s all bollocks and I ain’t doing it any more.
Until we get new owners I won’t be giving the club a penny.
Thanks COYS Daniel.

Led's Zeppelin · Aug 16, 2023

Nerine said:
All I can do is ask myself: “What is this football club’s purpose?”

I legitimately don’t know the answer to that question.

I find it incredibly difficult to support a rudderless regime that has no manifesto to buy into.

If anyone can divulge a genuine purpose of our club that isn’t lining the pockets of its investors, I’d love to hear it…

This is the problem: I think most supporters would find it quite easy to describe what we would like to be, based on a realistic interpretation of what we see as our heritage and our ambition, but we have virtually no say at all in the what we actually are now, because the owner has total control, and exercises it.

I could write a book on how that ought to change, but I'm not going to.

Not tonight, anyway!

Cavehillspur · Aug 16, 2023

talkshowhost86 said:
Levy is literally on record saying he knew Harry was leaving

And here we are without a replacement after he left

He's ostensibly a failure at his own job

He'll say Richy was the replacement.

Led's Zeppelin · Aug 16, 2023

alfie103 said:
But if we aren't prepared to try and seriously compete for the top honours, what else should we do? Levy isn't aiming higher than to finish 4th with no real intent on winning other trophies. I don't see what else we can aim for.

Well, for a start, don’t settle for having our ambition diluted.

As soon as we become envious of wh for their minimal, negligible achievements , Levy has won.

We at least have to hold firm and aim higher.

But I respect the fact that we all have different ways of expressing our love for, our club and frustration with its current predicament.

What we shouldnt do is turn on each other and accuse people of being hoodwinked and gullible. Everyone knows we should be aiming for the top. Other than the criminality of two or three clubs, there is no reason why we shouldn’t aim to be the very best club in the country.

And it’s not the fans who are to blame. They just express themselves differently. We need to remember that.

Cavehillspur · Aug 16, 2023

Yantino said:
Top 4 definitely felt like an unreachable goal 15 or so years ago. And it’s easy to forget how much we have progressed in that regard under ENIC. As a business thee club are in a much better place.

However, a string of poor decisions over the few years have really set us back. We were very fortunate to qualify for it last season (although doing so was hugely enjoyable).

this season being out of Europe might be a good thing for us. Although it’s meant losing Harry, it means we can trim the squad right back when we find buyers and allow Ange some time to build what he wants.

One major hurdle there is that we seem to be unable, season after season, to trim the squad, whether thats over inflating the price of players, moving goalposts or whatever, but we're stuck in a never ending cycle with this shower and its shaping up the same again that we need to get rid of players before we can strengthen, we all know how it pans out. Levy must think we're all thick.

I keep repeating myself but everytime I think about the stadium being the game changer he claimed and how it will allow us to invest in the first team to compete at the top pisses me off as it was a load of bollocks.

TC18 · Aug 16, 2023

Nerine said:
All I can do is ask myself: “What is this football club’s purpose?”

I legitimately don’t know the answer to that question.

I find it incredibly difficult to support a rudderless regime that has no manifesto to buy into.

If anyone can divulge a genuine purpose of our club that isn’t lining the pockets of its investors, I’d love to hear it…

You are right. I’m struggling to understand what we are trying to achieve. We don’t target the cups. We don’t spend/sort the squad for a charge for top 4. We certainly aren’t interested in trying to win the league.

So yeah.. what is our purpose?

At some point they need to cash in on their asset. I feel like we are in purgatory until the day that ENIC sell up.

I’ve never felt this disconnected to the club in the 33 years of my life.

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