daveduvet
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Feel like he’s a real one off…. And truly gratified we have him to steer spurs forward… bloody ell, we’ve endured some shit since “peak poch”; but Ange is someone to celebrate
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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fecka
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Seems like you're the one that needs to check your mentality. You've literally already given up and would rather do a Wigan than become a powerhouse, the latter being what Ange wants. He specifically mentions that he wants success that can be repeated (i.e sustainable success) and success for him is winning titles. It boggles my mind how you can say that his attitude is mediocre. If anything I'd say yours is.
The champions league run was frankly a miracle run and it is unrealistic to be able to consistently do that. We generally beat Man City funnily enough by playing the 'outdated' 'anti-football' most on here detest. We gave Barcelona a go in a friendly and beat Real Madrid once 5 years ago. I don't see being in the conversation regularly as sustained success for us because we don't really regularly get past those teams to win the competitions.
I don't think it is defeatist, it is just realistic. Do you think Ange would be doing a bad job if we sustain current levels of spending and aren't looking to compete for the title or CL in 2-3 years?
We aren't going to do a Wigan as we have a lot more resources than they do but we aren't going to become a powerhouse without increase wage and transfer spending significantly. To play entertaining football and consistently win titles, we are going to need to spend a lot of money on top quality players. We aren't going to do this under Levy. If he feels he can genuinely compete and win the title and CL with the current levels of spending then I do admire his ambition. However, I think he is very naive of him if that how he feels.
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Rout-Ledge
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He’s been here a couple of months and is clearly doing a great job so far. I wouldn’t get worked up over him referring to a plan to achieve ‘sustained success’ with us. That sounds like a good thing to me and not something to be troubled by.
We desperately needed someone who wants build something here and do it properly, not the Conte/Jose quick fix ‘win now’ approach, which was very clearly not working anyway.
We desperately needed someone who wants build something here and do it properly, not the Conte/Jose quick fix ‘win now’ approach, which was very clearly not working anyway.
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Christ, the premier League can't come back soon enough. Some right old bollocks on these last few pages.
mil1lion
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I think we can be a club who pick up talent like Brentford or Brighton as an example. We have more pull than those clubs so just need to be better with identifying targets on a consistent basis. We've come a long way in this regard but still work to be done. Hopefully the structure with new DOF will push us along. 5 of the other top 6 aren't really doing it. They're all spending mega money on well known talent. There's a real opportunity for us to use our resources and be the club who pick up a lot of young talent ahead of the rest. We have the right manager with a great philosophy to make it work now.
I honestly believe we could have won titles under Poch if we had better scouting and didn't restrict ourselves around the stadium cost. This is the best opportunity we have to do as we did back then but with Ange now. The recruitment let Poch down and admittedly we didn't capitalise on the couple of years where our squad was so strong. This idea that you have to spend huge is very misleading. Our midfield of Bissouma, Bentancur and Maddison were signed in the last couple of years for less than some individual players over 100m alone. A club our size really should be capable of picking up a good number of players like this every window. There are great deals to be had, we just need to get the depth right and players who fit the manager. This is our only chance of success under this owner.
I honestly believe we could have won titles under Poch if we had better scouting and didn't restrict ourselves around the stadium cost. This is the best opportunity we have to do as we did back then but with Ange now. The recruitment let Poch down and admittedly we didn't capitalise on the couple of years where our squad was so strong. This idea that you have to spend huge is very misleading. Our midfield of Bissouma, Bentancur and Maddison were signed in the last couple of years for less than some individual players over 100m alone. A club our size really should be capable of picking up a good number of players like this every window. There are great deals to be had, we just need to get the depth right and players who fit the manager. This is our only chance of success under this owner.
So if that's his goal, it's naive. But if it's not, as you first interpreted him, he puts you off? And either way you don't believe we can compete?
What's your point here, again?
My point is what I wrote in my posts.
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robotsonic
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A shit Inter got to the CL final last year. Shit teams get to European finals every year. West Ham won one. I do think it's defeatist to think that we can't, especially given that we actually got to a CL final, however miraculous it was. Also I was meaning when we played Barca in the CL at their place.
I think that being in the conversation regularly is success for us in the short term, that sustaining that level of performance and results is the short term goal, and that success is relative and changes over time with expectations, personally. For now, sustained success imo would be putting ourselves in the pot regularly to have a tilt at something and see what happens, because at the moment we're not in that pot/conversation at all. If we're in the pot, we can get to a final or a semi and then who knows, and I don't think that's unrealistic (based on the fact we've done it), and to sustain that ability to compete at the top level is the goal. It's all 99.9% of clubs hope for, given nothing is a guarantee.
Curious as to what your hopes for the clubs actually are, realistically, or is it just nothing unless Levy goes?
noggen
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Agreed. We scream for a winning mentality in the club.. well, us fans should also have a winning mentality. We have to be united.
robotsonic
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I'm not sure it's even so much as everyone having a winning mentality, but you have to at least allow yourself to have some hope, or actually why bother? I swear, again, that a huge swathe of this fanbase wouldn't actually be able to support a club with some actual challenges on their plate. One of the top few teams in the country, and top 20 or so in world football, and yet it's all doom and gloom for some unless the ownership are out (despite no idea of who would replace them). 99% of clubs would want to be Tottenham, and it's fair to want more, as we all do, but there's space for perspective. We have a lot of hope where almost all others do not. To deny yourself that is silly imo.
Beggars belief for me given what I've lived through with this club, sometimes. We've got some cash and are secure forever as a club. Got some top players, great and likeable manager, great stadium, great start to the season. If you can't enjoy the hope from that, then you deserve the misery that you choose to wallow in imo, because it is a choice. We have a platform to kick on from this year, and not only that but to enjoy it because we'll play football or get fucked trying. COYS.
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Proud charter member of the Ange Cult.
fecka
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Which is? It feels like you're coming out with strange contradictions as the previous poster pointed out.
On one hand, Ange's naive for wanting to have repeated success - which is titles. Then somehow he put you off because you interpreted him as wanting to play good football above all else while not caring about titles as opposed to his exact words that success is titles and he wants sustained success.
Instead, I interpret you as saying that we should realize our place in the food chain and hope for the odd title or two instead.
Once again, which one is really mediocre?
SpursSince1980
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I think your point was lost when you floated the ‘cult of personality’ dig. At that point all bets were off. No one likes catching aspersions. So don’t be surprised when they throw it back.
RJR1949
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Help. This is important. I’m at an age where I have to worry about mental decline. I did see Spurs draw with Barcelona at the Nou Camp didn’t I?
HildoSpur
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Bloody hell mate!
HildoSpur
Likes Erik Lamela, deal with it.
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Spending big has given us Davidson Sanchez and N'Dombele so far. Your views are genuinely bizarre mate. Maybe you should consider supporting Utd as they like to spend huge sums on players. Antony and Sancho have been absolutely amazing for them so far. Catch a grip.
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