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Tucker · Sep 21, 2023

That’s an interesting watch on top of the fan forum last night this is the most open he’s been in quite some time.

Some takeaways I get from that:

Naming rights doesn’t sound imminent. Doesn’t want a betting company.
He really pushed the self sufficiency angle, and seemed to have faith new FFP stuff would limit the power of the oil clubs.
Seems like he genuinely knows he fucked up with Mourinho and Conte.
Says he’d be happy to sell a stake to the right person, but isn’t actively looking to leave/sell.

Cream · Sep 21, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
He specifically says "I made a mistake" in relation to appointing Jose and Conte here.

Just for those who were accusing him of dodging responsibility in the fan forum quotes....

The thing is.... That 'mistake' cost us circa 30 million. More if you count the Nuno 'mistake'.

If he was really sorry he'd resign. Or in the real world. Sacked.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Sep 21, 2023

Cream said:
The thing is.... That 'mistake' cost us circa 30 million. More if you count the Nuno 'mistake'.

If he was really sorry he'd resign. Or in the real world. Sacked.

So every chairman who gets a managerial appointment wrong should sack themselves? Seems rational.

Marty · Sep 21, 2023

Tucker said:
That’s an interesting watch on top of the fan forum last night this is the most open he’s been in quite some time.

Some takeaways I get from that:

Naming rights doesn’t sound imminent. Doesn’t want a betting company.

He really pushed the self sufficiency angle, and seemed to have faith new FFP stuff would limit the power of the oil clubs.

Seems like he genuinely knows he fucked up with Mourinho and Conte.

Says he’d be happy to sell a stake to the right person, but isn’t actively looking to leave/sell.

Agree. I sadly have far less faith than he does that the new FFP stuff will curtail the spending power of the oil states.

As I have written in another thread, Levy has never reacted quickly enough to the changing landscape of football. I think he has too much faith in the bureaucratic process and too much faith in those clubs actually adhering to the rules and not finding every single loophole that is possible in order to circumvent them.

Dillspur · Sep 21, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
So every chairman who gets a managerial appointment wrong should sack themselves? Seems rational.

Of course not, but 3 in a row that ended up costing £30m+ in compensation, maybe

Japhet · Sep 21, 2023

PaulM said:
I guess that's my point. You can't be successful, consistently, without spending more. And Levy won't/can't do that. Our recruitment in the early years under Poch was very good (Dele, Toby, Eriksen etc.) yet we didn't win anything. We're now back to that strategy. It's more enjoyable "failure" but still failure nonetheless (in terms of trophies).

Of course, the counter argument is that perhaps Poch could have achieved success if he had the backing that the club is now giving to managers and all it required was patience. Poch had two summers where he got no-one when he needed fresh blood most.

Let's see what happens. I'm enjoying being a Spurs fan again, I don't hate Levy so I'm just loving the fact I'm looking forward to games and being entertained again.

I'd say our scouting was poor back then which led to poor recruitment. We now have Paratici/Gabbianini instead of Hitchin and we've made some really spectacular signings. Levy has only got involved to get stuff like the Porro deal done and I'm pretty confident he'll bring Paratic back into the fold and let him get on with it asap. Paratici has also been instrumental in revamping the youth setup which is exactly what's needed. We also have a manager who actually coaches and improves players and doesn't demand megastars. I think we've come on in leaps and bounds recently.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Sep 21, 2023

Dillspur said:
Of course not, but 3 in a row that ended up costing £30m+ in compensation, maybe

Those mistakes still led to us finishing in the european places in all seasons bar the last one. Which is about par for course considering we're the 7th richest club in the league.

If they meant we were in three successive relegation battles I would get it but the dent was us just stagating post Poch. Not really a sackable offence on scale of it.

vegassd · Sep 21, 2023

PaulM said:
I guess that's my point. You can't be successful, consistently, without spending more. And Levy won't/can't do that. Our recruitment in the early years under Poch was very good (Dele, Toby, Eriksen etc.) yet we didn't win anything. We're now back to that strategy. It's more enjoyable "failure" but still failure nonetheless (in terms of trophies).

Of course, the counter argument is that perhaps Poch could have achieved success if he had the backing that the club is now giving to managers and all it required was patience. Poch had two summers where he got no-one when he needed fresh blood most.

Let's see what happens. I'm enjoying being a Spurs fan again, I don't hate Levy so I'm just loving the fact I'm looking forward to games and being entertained again.

I think that's the nail on the head honestly. Whilst we didn't win anything with Poch we were knocking on the door fairly heavily, which I think is the only reasonable expectation. There is always going to be that last 5% or so that comes down to circumstances/luck, and if we had kept knocking at the door like that for another few seasons you would expect silverware comes along eventually.

There's no real magic formula to any of it, outside of mega bucks spending which we clearly aren't going to do. If we can consistently spend everything we earn on the playing side, keep the club philosophy in the right place (no more shortcuts) and keep a balance between patience and expectations, then that's a good basis.

Like you say, it feels exciting again as a fan. It wouldn't surprise me if everything turns sour by the end of the season, but I don't think there's much point getting grumpy about something that hasn't happened yet.

Bobby TwoShots · Sep 21, 2023

absolute bobbins said:
“it affected me. The {My} strategy was to bring in a trophy manager and we did it twice. You {I} have to learn from the mistakes”

That is an admission and you either know it or just trying to score a cheap point.

I still want him out but won’t begrudge Levy for trying to take a shortcut to winning. Let’s face it, the whole fucking lot of you would take a shortcut to success if one was presented to you, even if it was a 1/1000 shot.

"The frustration from not winning and the pressure from maybe some players and a large element of the fan base that we need to win, we need to spend money, we need to have a big manager, a big name. And it affected me. The strategy was to bring in a trophy manager and we did it twice. You have to learn from the mistakes."

The players and the fans made me do it. Don't mention Nuno, though, because I haven't come up with an excuse for that decision yet.

Hazelton · Sep 21, 2023

bubble07 said:
What was his rationale for hiring nuno?

We don't talk about Nuno.

JonnySpurs · Sep 21, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Those mistakes still led to us finishing in the european places in all seasons bar the last one. Which is about par for course considering we're the 7th richest club in the league.

If they meant we were in three successive relegation battles I would get it but the dent was us just stagating post Poch. Not really a sackable offence on scale of it.

Indeed. It's easy after the fact to see these appointments as wrong but at the time, a lot of us thought this was a good move. With Conte in particular, 99% of the fanbase was on board.

Mourinho was always a worry but I can see why he did it. Nuno was the baffling one but that seemed to be driven by Paratici.

Levy also references something about what some players wanted and I would bet that he's referring to Kane and trying to appease him with "win-now" managers. After Poch, I can absolutely see why he went the way he did but, with hindsight, he should've stuck to what worked with Poch and just gone again. We live and learn.

His candor over this past week has been refreshing and has certainly won back some respect from me.

JonnySpurs · Sep 21, 2023

Hazelton said:
We don't talk about Nuno.

No, no, no, we don't talk about Nunooooooo

HNIM · Sep 21, 2023

easley91 · Sep 21, 2023

JonnySpurs said:
Indeed. It's easy after the fact to see these appointments as wrong but at the time, a lot of us thought this was a good move. With Conte in particular, 99% of the fanbase was on board.

Mourinho was always a worry but I can see why he did it. Nuno was the baffling one but that seemed to be driven by Paratici.

Levy also references something about what some players wanted and I would bet that he's referring to Kane and trying to appease him with "win-now" managers. After Poch, I can absolutely see why he went the way he did but, with hindsight, he should've stuck to what worked with Poch and just gone again. We live and learn.

His candor over this past week has been refreshing and has certainly won back some respect from me.

Poch was burned out by the time the UCL final came around and you could see in the Amazon doc he didn't have the fire left to continue. It was right to let him go.

King of the Lane · Sep 21, 2023

Im not in the Levy out or Levy in club. I can praise and criticise him in equal measures but I think the latest interview was a good thing. He admitted some mistakes, seemed more human and answered some difficult questions. Still has a lot of work to do but that interview was good imo

jackson · Sep 21, 2023

I don't recall any pressure/clamour from the fans to appoint Jose at the time? Poch was sacked and literally in the next breath Jose was hired. Pretty sure Levy said in the documentary that Jose was one of the few 'elite' managers. He clearly wanted him.

Conte I would say he probably did bow to pressure because of the Nuno fiasco and where we were at, it was desperate stuff. However it was clearly a bad hire as we needed a rebuild and wasn't going to give him what he needed to do things in the 'win now' style.

You have to give him huge credit for appointing Ange though, even if not first choice, as Poch was the easy hire that would've pleased most fans desperate from him to come back (not myself...).

TOLBINY · Sep 21, 2023

If Jose and Conte were the wrong appointments becuase we cannot afford to buy them the best players, what that actually says is that Levy / The Club recognise that the players they had were not of a sufficient standard to challenge for trophies.

McFlash · Sep 21, 2023

TOLBINY said:
If Jose and Conte were the wrong appointments becuase we cannot afford to buy them the best players, what that actually says is that Levy / The Club recognise that the players they had were not of a sufficient standard to challenge for trophies.

No, it's just that their entire style and philosophy didn't align with what our club should stand for.
It's not about affording anything because a good squad doesn't have to cost a fortune.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Sep 22, 2023

jackson said:
I don't recall any pressure/clamour from the fans to appoint Jose at the time? Poch was sacked and literally in the next breath Jose was hired. Pretty sure Levy said in the documentary that Jose was one of the few 'elite' managers. He clearly wanted him.

Conte I would say he probably did bow to pressure because of the Nuno fiasco and where we were at, it was desperate stuff. However it was clearly a bad hire as we needed a rebuild and wasn't going to give him what he needed to do things in the 'win now' style.

You have to give him huge credit for appointing Ange though, even if not first choice, as Poch was the easy hire that would've pleased most fans desperate from him to come back (not myself...).

With the Jose thing it was more that the general feeling at the time was that fans were tired of project managers, we needed a ‘winner’ to install a winning culture at the club and push us over the line. That feeling seemed to be coming from the media, pundits and fans.

It’s not that there was a specific clamour for Jose but bearing all that in mind, the fact we were coming off the back of reaching the champions league final, and Mourinho was available, it made sense why we went for him.

easley91 · Sep 22, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
With the Jose thing it was more that the general feeling at the time was that fans were tired of project managers, we needed a ‘winner’ to install a winning culture at the club and push us over the line. That feeling seemed to be coming from the media, pundits and fans.

It’s not that there was a specific clamour for Jose but bearing all that in mind, the fact we were coming off the back of reaching the champions league final, and Mourinho was available, it made sense why we went for him.

Yep I remember feeling at the time we needed someone to take us across the line. I personally felt Jose and Antonio would be them.

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