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[Steffen]

Indeed.

I've been seeing an awful lot of posts lately accusing others of misrepresenting or looking to twist quotes to extremes to attack Levy etc, whilst simultaneously doing exactly the same to the posters they are actually accusing in the first place.

How is calling someone awkward and cringe NOT vilifying? It's not necessary to use words like that.

 

[Buggsy61]

This was a nice touch from Ange. Its very early days, and whether he and the team bring us much needed trophies or not its refreshing to have a down to earth human face in charge, that people can relate to.
I almost dreaded match days last season as the club I had supported all my life looked like it was imploding, and was toxic to the core. Now I can't wait for the next game..............

 

[spursfan77]

I think it's as close as we'll get to Levy admitting that he took his eyes off the ball and fucked up.
That he got swept up in the hype that we were ready to take the next step into the realms of the "big clubs", while losing sight of what we should be all about as Spurs.
I think he listened to all the wrong people and made bad choices based on muddied waters, hopefully he's now a bit clearer on what we are and in Ange, will have a manager who is honest, truthful and not prepared to sugar coat things.

Levy has often been accused of having too many different opinions in his ear, if he now believes Ange is someone he can trust, that can only be a good thing.

A common mistake of his and one he never seems to learn from. Maybe he needs to freshen up those he listens to rather than having the same board of people for decades? He has brought in Paratici and Munn but how much does he value their view over other board members like Cullen and Collecott, that is the real question?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

A common mistake of his and one he never seems to learn from. Maybe he needs to freshen up those he listens to rather than having the same board of people for decades? He has brought in Paratici and Munn but how much does he value their view over other board members like Cullen and Collecott, that is the real question?

Well he listened to Paratici, when he reportedly showed him videos of Nuno's Valencia team playing expansive football, to convince him to make the appointment. If you can't trust your DOF then what is the point?

For the record, I think Paratici has questionable taste in managers but he is elite at player recruitment.

 

[greaves]

A common mistake of his and one he never seems to learn from. Maybe he needs to freshen up those he listens to rather than having the same board of people for decades? He has brought in Paratici and Munn but how much does he value their view over other board members like Cullen and Collecott, that is the real question?

Yep, agreed. He needs to learn who to listen to.

 

[Trix]

A common mistake of his and one he never seems to learn from. Maybe he needs to freshen up those he listens to rather than having the same board of people for decades? He has brought in Paratici and Munn but how much does he value their view over other board members like Cullen and Collecott, that is the real question?

Moving on, or at least away from the latter would be a real start for me to believing he has learned some lessons. The biggest problem imo was creating an entire board of directors from accountants and bean counters and giving them so much say over footballing matters. Hopefully the whispers are true and a couple of them will be gone by the end of the season.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

So - not seen the whole thing yet - but just this clip put out by Tottenham makes me a little angry.

Levy is talking about how "We've got our Tottenham back" as though there was someone else responsible for making that happen for the last 5 years.


Maybe its a little out of context - but this is what Spurs have put out.

If you watch the whole thing he answered that in response to a Q about how he feels now we are playing better football and the atmosphere in the stadium is rocking like it was against Sheff Utd, he said "its simple, we've got our Tottenham back", he also elaborated on that and said how we are playing the type of football we like to see and more like we used to play (aka peak Poch etc).

I don't find Spurs putting that clip out making me angry, I want this togetherness that Ange has started to build to continue so reiterating that message is imo a good thing, ride the wave.

Levy is a bean counting CEO, he will never be the most charismatic or likeable person but if you watch the whole fan forum I'd be surprised if many didn't agree that by his standards he came across fairly well tbh, not perfect but better than he usually does, he admitted that Conte and Jose were mistakes but were influenced by the fans and some players need to 'win now' and tbh the majority of us were behind the thinking for both of those moves. For me it was Nuno that was the huge muck up and the important thing is that Levy learnt his lessons with Jose & Conte, he's said they weren't right for our club and he's gone out and got Ange who really is a perfect fit so he deserves some credit for that.

It doesn't mean we forget the past but right now I'd rather focus on the good feeling at the club and with the team than keep bashing Levy right now but each to their own.

 

[jakuba]

Moving on, or at least away from the latter would be a real start for me to believing he has learned some lessons. The biggest problem imo was creating an entire board of directors from accountants and bean counters and giving them so much say over footballing matters. Hopefully the whispers are true and a couple of them will be gone by the end of the season.

That would be very good news if some of the very non-football more balance sheet oriented members of the board are leaving.

I’m no fan of Levy but have long felt he’s the lightning rod of criticism when the board are just as culpable for issues. Just have to hope for a change in direction that if it does happen that slightly more football conscious people replace them.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If you watch the whole thing he answered that in response to a Q about how he feels now we are playing better football and the atmosphere in the stadium is rocking like it was against Sheff Utd, he said "its simple, we've got our Tottenham back", he also elaborated on that and said how we are playing the type of football we like to see and more like we used to play (aka peak Poch etc).

I don't find Spurs putting that club out making me angry, I want this togetherness that Ange has started to build to continue.

Levy is a bean counting CEO, he will never be the most charismatic or likeable person but if you watch the whole fan forum I'd be surprised if many didn't agree that by his standards he came across fairly well tbh, not perfect but better than he usually does, he admitted that Conte and Jose were mistakes but were influenced by the fans and some players need to 'win now' and tbh the majority of us were behind the thinking for both of those moves. For me it was Nuno that was the huge muck up and the important thing is that Levy learnt his lessons with Jose & Conte, he's said they weren't right for our club and he's gone out and got Ange who really is a perfect fit so he deserves some credit for that.

It doesn't mean we forget the past but right now I'd rather focus on the good feeling at the club and with the team that keep bashing Levy right now but each to their own.

Very balanced post

 

[Japhet]

Or another way to look at it is that this is as much of an admission of fucking up that we'll get from Levy.
I see why he went for Jose and Conte, heck, I was all for it at the time but hindsight shows us that it was one bad appointment following another.

I think Levy realises this but he's hardly going to come out and say that they were bad appointments, so instead, what he's saying that he's trying to rectify the mistakes he made.

And yes, it would appear that we do have our Tottenham back so instead and of giving Levy grief for his (understandable imo) mistakes, maybe we could give him a little credit for recognising them and reversing?

I've not yet watched the whole thing but from the clips I've seen so far, Levy himself seems to be caught in Ange's spell so to be honest, I'm not too bothered about how we got there, I'm just happy we are where we now are.

There aren't many chairman that haven't made plenty of bad decisions, especially during such a lengthy tenure.

Let's just hope that Levy is properly on board with the way Ange wants to take the club and we could just be on the start of a good journey.

Levy really has hit the bullseye with Ange. He's on an upward trajectory, plays exactly the type of football we want to see, likes to bring through young players, knows exactly what he wants both temperamentally and ability wise. He puts in the work to coach his players, he's an affable bloke but at the same time takes no shit and he's not a prima donna who demands particular staff or circumstances. For the first time in a very long while, we have a manager who is worthy of full backing (and I don't blame Levy for not going 'all in' with Mourinho or Conte. Thank God he didn't). In short, if Levy manages to fuck this one up he really has cooked his goose.

 

[spursyido1]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-stake-sale-would-welcome-harry-kane-return

Looks like Levy has also done an interview with Bloomberg today/yesterday. Can anyone find the full interview/video? Have just seen a few short clips and imagine it was longer.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-stake-sale-would-welcome-harry-kane-return

Looks like Levy has also done an interview with Bloomberg today/yesterday. Can anyone find the full interview/video? Have just seen a few short clips and imagine it was longer.

He specifically says "I made a mistake" in relation to appointing Jose and Conte here.

Just for those who were accusing him of dodging responsibility in the fan forum quotes....

 

[PaulM]

He specifically says "I made a mistake" in relation to appointing Jose and Conte here.

Just for those who were accusing him of dodging responsibility in the fan forum quotes....

My only criticism of Levy is this...

We came close under Poch. We got frustrated because we didn't win using that strategy.

We changed strategy and went for Conte and Mourinho. Win now managers. That strategy was a mistake which Levy now admits.

We're now back to the strategy we used under Poch which wasn't successful.

Is it possible that whatever strategy Levy employs, we will not win and certainly not win regularly because the constraints we're working under are not conducive to winning regardless of strategy? The problem isn't the strategy, it's the people setting the strategy.

I will state quite clearly, I'm not a strong ENIC out advocate, I'm not a Levy hater. I just think he's brought us as far as he can. Of course, there aren't many who can bring us to the next level and there are many who can set us back to the Sugar years and worse. But the fact remains, I don't believe we'll ever be very successful (in terms of trophies) under Levy/ENIC.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

My only criticism of Levy is this...

We came close under Poch. We got frustrated because we didn't win using that strategy.

We changed strategy and went for Conte and Mourinho. Win now managers. That strategy was a mistake which Levy now admits.

We're now back to the strategy we used under Poch which wasn't successful.

Is it possible that whatever strategy Levy employs, we will not win and certainly not win regularly because the constraints we're working under are not conducive to winning regardless of strategy? The problem isn't the strategy, it's the people setting the strategy.

I will state quite clearly, I'm not a strong ENIC out advocate, I'm not a Levy hater. I just think he's brought us as far as he can. Of course, there aren't many who can bring us to the next level and there are many who can set us back to the Sugar years and worse. But the fact remains, I don't believe we'll ever be very successful (in terms of trophies) under Levy/ENIC.

I'm not sure that's right. Conte and Mou were mistakes. Clearly.

The biggest issue we've had over the last 6/7 years is the player recruitment. Levy ultimately has to carry the can for some of that, but it's not the amount spent that's the issue - it's who it's been spent on.

If the point is: with more money, we would be better. Sure, but that's an ownership point. Levy needs to take a step back, and in that sense I agree with you, but I don't mind having him around as long as he leaves others to make decisions about playing staff.

 

[dovahkiin]

Looks like Levy has also done an interview with Bloomberg today/yesterday. Can anyone find the full interview/video? Have just seen a few short clips and imagine it was longer.

 

[PaulM]

I'm not sure that's right. Conte and Mou were mistakes. Clearly.

The biggest issue we've had over the last 6/7 years is the player recruitment. Levy ultimately has to carry the can for some of that, but it's not the amount spent that's the issue - it's who it's been spent on.

If the point is: with more money, we would be better. Sure, but that's an ownership point. Levy needs to take a step back, and in that sense I agree with you, but I don't mind having him around as long as he leaves others to make decisions about playing staff.

I guess that's my point. You can't be successful, consistently, without spending more. And Levy won't/can't do that. Our recruitment in the early years under Poch was very good (Dele, Toby, Eriksen etc.) yet we didn't win anything. We're now back to that strategy. It's more enjoyable "failure" but still failure nonetheless (in terms of trophies).

Of course, the counter argument is that perhaps Poch could have achieved success if he had the backing that the club is now giving to managers and all it required was patience. Poch had two summers where he got no-one when he needed fresh blood most.

Let's see what happens. I'm enjoying being a Spurs fan again, I don't hate Levy so I'm just loving the fact I'm looking forward to games and being entertained again.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

My only criticism of Levy is this...

We came close under Poch. We got frustrated because we didn't win using that strategy.

We changed strategy and went for Conte and Mourinho. Win now managers. That strategy was a mistake which Levy now admits.

We're now back to the strategy we used under Poch which wasn't successful.

Is it possible that whatever strategy Levy employs, we will not win and certainly not win regularly because the constraints we're working under are not conducive to winning regardless of strategy? The problem isn't the strategy, it's the people setting the strategy.

I will state quite clearly, I'm not a strong ENIC out advocate, I'm not a Levy hater. I just think he's brought us as far as he can. Of course, there aren't many who can bring us to the next level and there are many who can set us back to the Sugar years and worse. But the fact remains, I don't believe we'll ever be very successful (in terms of trophies) under Levy/ENIC.

I don't think the strategy during the Poch years is a flawed one, it fell down in 3 ways for me. First, Levy never made a DoF compulsory for Poch, secondly our spending was limited due to stadium build and thirdly, Poch had probably run his course the season before CL.
It succeeded to a point but without a long term overall strategy it disintegrated.
You could argue this has now been addressed with the Paratici and then Munn appointments. Time will tell

 

[absolute bobbins]

Always someone else's fault.

"The frustration from not winning and the pressure from maybe some players and a large element of the fan base that we need to win, we need to spend money, we need to have a big manager, a big name. And it affected me. The strategy was to bring in a trophy manager and we did it twice. You have to learn from the mistakes."

Then what the absolute fudge was your excuse for Nuno, then, Daniel? The fans and the players sure as hell weren't pressuring you to hire him, and he's certainly no "trophy manager."

“it affected me. The {My} strategy was to bring in a trophy manager and we did it twice. You {I} have to learn from the mistakes”

That is an admission and you either know it or just trying to score a cheap point.

I still want him out but won’t begrudge Levy for trying to take a shortcut to winning. Let’s face it, the whole fucking lot of you would take a shortcut to success if one was presented to you, even if it was a 1/1000 shot.

 

[spursyido1]

Cheers my man. Went looking for it there - good to see theyve finally put it up

 

[Fitchspur]

I saw something earlier on Twitter saying "Levy says he'll sell a stake in Tottenham to get Kane back." based on this and bloody hell, what a stretch to get to that.