Next DoF

mil1lion · Oct 31, 2023

I think our recruitment has been fine for as long as we've had a director to run things. Up until Mitchell left we seemed to be going well. Then we went some time without anyone. Poch seemed to want to have full control and our signings were poor. Then Jose seemed to be involved too. I'm not sure how much control Hitchen seemed to have over that time but there was no dof. Then Paratici comes in and it kicks on again. So just having a dof and a structure has me feeling confident we'll be OK.

danielneeds · Oct 31, 2023

mil1lion said:
I think our recruitment has been fine for as long as we've had a director to run things. Up until Mitchell left we seemed to be going well. Then we went some time without anyone. Poch seemed to want to have full control and our signings were poor. Then Jose seemed to be involved too. I'm not sure how much control Hitchen seemed to have over that time but there was no dof. Then Paratici comes in and it kicks on again. So just having a dof and a structure has me feeling confident we'll be OK.

Hitchen was promoted to DOF or Performance Director after Mitchell left. The club got very complacent in that period though, the stadium being the primary concern, and the feeling that the squad was so good it was difficult to improve without seeing the rot that was creeping in.

ukdy · Oct 31, 2023

goughie1966 said:
Why don't we just buy Aston Villa?

I've had a root around down the back of my sofa and have 34p. Anyone wanna chip in the other 6p

Yiddo100 · Oct 31, 2023

Seems like Mackenzie definitely leaving villa, presumably to us but not official

GioW · Oct 31, 2023

Yiddo100 said:
Seems like Mackenzie definitely leaving villa, presumably to us but not official

This guy worked for us previously?

Yiddo100 · Nov 1, 2023

danielneeds · Nov 1, 2023

Yiddo100 said:

Be interesting to see if our targets change because of this. For instance, would we go back for Lloyd Kelly? I imagine the underlying data that's leading us to players will be similar, but these two may see things differently in terms of eyes-on scouting, background checks, etc.

Ghost Hardware · Nov 1, 2023

When he was last here it was a bit of mixed bag, on the one hand we recruited Son, Toby and Trips and on the other we also brought in Janssen, N'jie and N'koudou. Now obviously who knows to what degree his involvement was with any of these players. Ultimately one just has to hope that with the new data driven set up these two will be the magic formula.

I would be curious as to what it was that drove this choice tho, Lange didn't seem to pull up any trees at AV. Hopefully it was more a case of bigger fish swimming in the same pond taking their targets. It's hard to get too excited by it for me as we are coming from period of some of the most consistent recruitment this club has seen possibly ever in the PL era and just because a club is data driven doesn't automatically mean success. I still hope that Paratici stays linked in a advisor position an eventually comes back full time once his ban is finished.

Ether way i'll be very curious to see which players we start targeting come Jan. Hopefully any concerns I have will be completely unfounded.

danielneeds · Nov 1, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
When he was last here it was a bit of mixed bag, on the one hand we recruited Son, Toby and Trips and on the other we also brought in Janssen, N'jie and N'koudou. Now obviously who knows to what degree his involvement was with any of these players. Ultimately one just has to hope that with the new data driven set up these two will be the magic formula.

I would be curious as to what it was that drove this choice tho, Lange didn't seem to pull up any trees at AV. Hopefully it was more a case of bigger fish swimming in the same pond taking their targets. It's hard to get too excited by it for me as we are coming from period of some of the most consistent recruitment this club has seen possibly ever in the PL era and just because a club is data driven doesn't automatically mean success. I still hope that Paratici stays linked in a advisor position an eventually comes back full time once his ban is finished.

Ether way i'll be very curious to see which players we start targeting come Jan. Hopefully any concerns I have will be completely unfounded.

I mean, just one example is they wanted Bentancur before we swooped in and took him.

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 1, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
When he was last here it was a bit of mixed bag, on the one hand we recruited Son, Toby and Trips and on the other we also brought in Janssen, N'jie and N'koudou. Now obviously who knows to what degree his involvement was with any of these players. Ultimately one just has to hope that with the new data driven set up these two will be the magic formula.

I would be curious as to what it was that drove this choice tho, Lange didn't seem to pull up any trees at AV. Hopefully it was more a case of bigger fish swimming in the same pond taking their targets. It's hard to get too excited by it for me as we are coming from period of some of the most consistent recruitment this club has seen possibly ever in the PL era and just because a club is data driven doesn't automatically mean success. I still hope that Paratici stays linked in a advisor position an eventually comes back full time once his ban is finished.

Ether way i'll be very curious to see which players we start targeting come Jan. Hopefully any concerns I have will be completely unfounded.

Interesting that is quite a mixed bag indeed.

I suppose the thing is its never one chief scout or one DofF who make all the signings, these guys influence the targets we put in front of the Manager sure but its always a mix of people involved, as long as they put say 4-5 decent options in front of Ange per position he will make good decisions in terms of players with good attributes and attitudes to fit what he wants, the issues we have is when we have Managers like Conte and Jose who prefer older players and ones who don't fit the DNA of our club, with Ange at the help we just need half decent scouting set-up and we should be fine.

Poch was a bit of an issue too as I can imagine that he didn't speak up and be very clear and take full responsibility for saying yes or no to all signings, probably spoke in riddles and pushed for De Jong etc but our recruitment then was also hit and miss.

Lets see how it goes, all we know is Paratici and his scouts have set a very high benchmark, their recruitment has been incredible, a lot of gems and barely any bad signings.

fecka · Nov 1, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
When he was last here it was a bit of mixed bag, on the one hand we recruited Son, Toby and Trips and on the other we also brought in Janssen, N'jie and N'koudou. Now obviously who knows to what degree his involvement was with any of these players. Ultimately one just has to hope that with the new data driven set up these two will be the magic formula.

I would be curious as to what it was that drove this choice tho, Lange didn't seem to pull up any trees at AV. Hopefully it was more a case of bigger fish swimming in the same pond taking their targets. It's hard to get too excited by it for me as we are coming from period of some of the most consistent recruitment this club has seen possibly ever in the PL era and just because a club is data driven doesn't automatically mean success. I still hope that Paratici stays linked in a advisor position an eventually comes back full time once his ban is finished.

Ether way i'll be very curious to see which players we start targeting come Jan. Hopefully any concerns I have will be completely unfounded.

I recall those were all pushed by Mitchell and Mackenzie was IIRC only a scout and not head scout or dof at the time. Without knowing what his reports and recommendations were it's very difficult to judge his track record as he wasn't a decision maker.

Like you, I am also curious to see if and how our business will change.

danielneeds · Nov 1, 2023

fecka said:
I recall those were all pushed by Mitchell and Mackenzie was IIRC only a scout and not head scout or dof at the time. Without knowing what his reports and recommendations were it's very difficult to judge his track record as he wasn't a decision maker.

Like you, I am also curious to see if and how our business will change.

How Njie got recommended and passed through the checks all the way through to signing is just bizarre. The guy could barely play football.

Ghost Hardware · Nov 1, 2023

danielneeds said:
I mean, just one example is they wanted Bentancur before we swooped in and took him.

Yeah that is one positive for sure, of course but on the flip side Lange really pushed of Sanson and supposedly went against the scouts reports to bring him in. I'd be curious to know who else they targeted.

Ghost Hardware · Nov 1, 2023

fecka said:
I recall those were all pushed by Mitchell and Mackenzie was IIRC only a scout and not head scout or dof at the time. Without knowing what his reports and recommendations were it's very difficult to judge his track record as he wasn't a decision maker.

Like you, I am also curious to see if and how our business will change.

Oh for sure im not saying he was responsible for them, but one would assume that being one of our scouts he looked at them to some degree.

danielneeds · Nov 1, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Yeah that is one positive for sure, of course but on the flip side Lange really pushed of Sanson and supposedly went against the scouts reports to bring him in. I'd be curious to know who else they targeted.

Yeah, but on the flip side,. they were a team just promoted and Sanson was a pretty experienced midfielder with a lot of games for Marseille, so could see the rationale for it even if it didn't work.

npearl4spurs · Nov 1, 2023

Yiddo100 said:
Seems like Mackenzie definitely leaving villa, presumably to us but not official

I can’t unsee this now

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SuperLuka · Nov 1, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
When he was last here it was a bit of mixed bag, on the one hand we recruited Son, Toby and Trips and on the other we also brought in Janssen, N'jie and N'koudou. Now obviously who knows to what degree his involvement was with any of these players. Ultimately one just has to hope that with the new data driven set up these two will be the magic formula.

I would be curious as to what it was that drove this choice tho, Lange didn't seem to pull up any trees at AV. Hopefully it was more a case of bigger fish swimming in the same pond taking their targets. It's hard to get too excited by it for me as we are coming from period of some of the most consistent recruitment this club has seen possibly ever in the PL era and just because a club is data driven doesn't automatically mean success. I still hope that Paratici stays linked in a advisor position an eventually comes back full time once his ban is finished.

Ether way i'll be very curious to see which players we start targeting come Jan. Hopefully any concerns I have will be completely unfounded.

Aston Villas recruitment recently has been pretty good and they've improved from strugglers to CL contenders. No idea if this is down to Lange or not?

mil1lion · Nov 1, 2023

You have to think getting Mckenzie in with Lange we will be getting the same influence Villa have had in the transfer window of late

superted4 · Nov 1, 2023

Fuck Villa!

Our recruitment has been a lot more hit than miss in the last 2 years. I'd say a lot more hit than Villa's in the last 2 years. As long as Paratici is still somewhere in the background, the guy's mustard, just keep him away from accounts, little black books and manager searches.

Snarfalicious · Nov 1, 2023

I feel at ease knowing Ange will have a final say.

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