Leeds 0 Tottenham 4
Tottenham 5 Everton 0
Tottenham 5 Newcastle 1
Villa 0 Tottenham 4
Tottenham 3 Woolwich 0
Norwich 0 Tottenham 5
All happended in the space of 3 months!
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Tottenham 5 Everton 0
Tottenham 5 Newcastle 1
Villa 0 Tottenham 4
Tottenham 3 Woolwich 0
Norwich 0 Tottenham 5
All happended in the space of 3 months!
fishhhandaricecake
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Shots from the end of the box to mix it up, crosses from a bit better and wingers who can get to the by line and put a good ball in or win a penalty in the box.
This is the bane of our play. We play lovely football to get up the pitch and then it grinds down once we are near the box. The obvious answer is to have the wide players to run to the byline instead of checking back on the inside. Also sometimes whipping an early cross. We are making too many passes in and around the box and taking too many touches that if anything just helps the other team crowd us out and have to restart build up by going back again.
This even happened playing against 9 men where instead of stretching the play and using the full width of the pitch to create attacking moves we played into Liverpool's hands until the 95th minute by playing within a small box. Width is needed desperately at least on one wing.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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Arteta had a run with scum where they went 7 games without a win and had a record of 1-2-7 over 10 matches. And they didn’t have an injury crisis like we’ve had. They didn’t sack him and now they are reaping the rewards with a sustainable style of football too.
So no, we don’t sack him because he’s already shown that we can play quality football under him AND win. We simply don’t have the squad depth to cope with the injuries we’ve had and we still lack key profiles for his system. He deserves the time to get it working. If we give him that we will fly.
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No.
fishhhandaricecake
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Breakaway counter attacks don’t count as dominating a game but yes those were some good performances under conte for a short period.
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By the same logic, Having 90% possession doesn’t count as dominating a game either.
Dominating a game should only mean one thing, one side had the tactical superiority and it manifests as a big goal difference which all of those games had.
The 6-1 drubbing of United under JM was a dominant performance, for example.
Appointing Conte was a bit like calling or messaging your ex in the middle of drunken binge. It feels like a fantastic idea at the time but in the cold light of day you realise how dumb and inappropriate it was.
I don’t get any of that feeling with Ange. Even if it doesn’t work out, I don’t get that feeling.
I don’t get any of that feeling with Ange. Even if it doesn’t work out, I don’t get that feeling.
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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Agree with the 1 v 1 ability in general and we are maybe lacking one or two more options but switching Johnson to the right would of made a difference last night. He didn’t look comfortable on the left in that type of game but on the right I think he’s able to get in behind. It’s not all about dribbling. Standing someone up then then a quick burst can be just as effective even against low blocks and he can do that on the right. People thinking he needs 20-30 yards is wrong imo. He’s got very good speed over 5 yards.
that’s why I don’t think it’s all about the quality of the front three, they are good players, probably good enough, but they’ve got to play in the right areas especially in games like last night. Kulu should be playing more inside as well.
I would say a team can control a match without truly dominating it.
And also, for example, that team which scores more might just have better, more talented, more clinical finishers.
I think sometimes you see it in cup matches against lower league opposition. The Premier League team is actually quite poor but ends up winning easily because they’re forwards take their chances whereas the lower league team lack that extra bit of quality.
WiganSpur
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Van de Ven and James Maddison are maybe the worst possible players to get injured for us bar Son as they are so crucial to the system. Don't think it should be understated how huge their losses are, particularly when the likes of Davies is the back up option (FWIW Davies isn't awful but he just doesn't have the physical attributes needed). As with all managers, let's judge the results after 2-3 windows of recruitment.
You see this sort of thing happening with most attacking managers coming into the Premier League. Early on they sacrifice results for imprinting a style of play (Klopp, Pep and Arteta early days) before refining their teams tactically into better oiled machines later with help in the transfer market.
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The ugly answer to this i'm afraid is set pieces and long shots. But a touchline winger to stretch the pitch would definitely help.
This is the bane of our play. We play lovely football to get up the pitch and then it grinds down once we are near the box. The obvious answer is to have the wide players to run to the byline instead of checking back on the inside. Also sometimes whipping an early cross. We are making too many passes in and around the box and taking too many touches that if anything just helps the other team crowd us out and have to restart build up by going back again.
This even happened playing against 9 men where instead of stretching the play and using the full width of the pitch to create attacking moves we played into Liverpool's hands until the 95th minute by playing within a small box. Width is needed desperately at least on one wing.
The bloke got us and kept us 4th with an inferior squad to the one we have now - imagine what he might have done if we had committed to him. That, and the fact he is a proven Prem winner is why I would have backed him over the players following his outburst.
I get the feeling that Ange may be a bit out ofhis depth in terms of tactical astuteness / in game mangement compared to a few other managers in the Prem - BUT - I acknowledge that he has not yet been given the time or backing to prove himself one way or the other. So I say say give him that time and backing.
We also had some very poor results during Poch’s first season, especially during the first half of the season. I think it wasn’t really until the Chelsea match on New Year’s Day that we could really start to see what he was building towards.
muppetman
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People are still defending and supporting Conte?
Yes, he did well in the first season and then the wheels well and truly came off. I feel for him, with deaths, illness and so on but to somehow keep blaming spurs (or maybe more likely Levy) at this point just feels like wilful stubborness.
Yes, he did well in the first season and then the wheels well and truly came off. I feel for him, with deaths, illness and so on but to somehow keep blaming spurs (or maybe more likely Levy) at this point just feels like wilful stubborness.
But as I addressed in another post what does committing to Conte mean? He never stays anywhere longer than two seasons other than a 3 season stint at Juve once. And he didn’t want to sign a new contract anyway? He usually gives a club two seasons and that’s it. We weren’t an outlier in that respect, he gave us his two seasons or thereabouts, and then he was off - like he always does.
Conte it was also a case of winning sooner rather than later which meant spending a huge amount in a single window or two. Whereas Ange you get the sense he will be happy to develop the team over several windows which is more sustainable for a club like us.
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He got us to 4th and we were in 4th place when he went - how is that the wheels well and truly coming off?
Conte stated on several occassions that we needed time and patience. I suspect he did not get offered the length of contract he felt he needed given we were unable / unwilling to spend 250M+ in one transfer window. If he had been offerred it then why not accept? At 15M per year even if he is sacked halyway through he's onto a good thing.
Perhaps the deaths and his illness made him stop and think, why should I kill myself and spend time away from my family if I am not going to be supported in the way I think I need to be in order to bring trophies.
Ange is a quality manager the football we have played has been amazing.
I’m pretty sure under poch we had the same issues.
Westham got lucky
Chelsea got lucky
villa got lucky
We created a lot of chances just need to take them.
The question is are out players good enough to score or will it come in time.
muppetman
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Did you go to any of the games? The atmosphere was poisonous, the football was dismal, the fans were miserable.
Football is about more than results, otherwise we'd all support Madrid or City.
Anyway, this is dull as shit and I'm sorry for dragging it out further. The bloke has gone and I wish him well.
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