People are overanalysing. With better forward play/finishing we'd still be top of the league. The only game we've been outplayed was wolves. In the Chelsea, Villa and West Ham games we should have been 3 up before the opposition laid a glove on us. We all saw it coming at half time on Thurs, when you don't take your chances the nerves kick in and the rest is inevitable. Our forwards are ok, but Son aside we are missing the real quality that the other top teams have in attack and that's probably what will cost us this season, unless Levy has a personality transplant in January and gets a big upgrade on Richarlison in.
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Impspur1
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Kind of said the same thing in my last post too
I can think of one good thing about the Conte / Jose era, and that was that there was no real injury for Kane
"problem" if i can call it that with Ange's style of football is, it is very high intensity, and that type of footbal usually carry a lot more injuries with it.
the call for 2 good players in each position is more important with Ange type of footbal than Conte/Jose i think.
When we are a fully fit team we will do wonders under Ange, but when we get into Europe and always go 150% every first half, with even more matches, the injuries will keep coming,
i still think in the end, Levy will be our reason for not progressing much, hope i am wrong
"problem" if i can call it that with Ange's style of football is, it is very high intensity, and that type of footbal usually carry a lot more injuries with it.
the call for 2 good players in each position is more important with Ange type of footbal than Conte/Jose i think.
When we are a fully fit team we will do wonders under Ange, but when we get into Europe and always go 150% every first half, with even more matches, the injuries will keep coming,
i still think in the end, Levy will be our reason for not progressing much, hope i am wrong
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For my 2p, as I’m displacing work…
If we’d spread these four games out through the season instead of facing them consecutively, I‘d say we were exactly where I’d hoped we would be, in touch, playing some exciting stuff, and showing the green shoots of recovery and revitalization.
But because they’ve come 5 in a row, meaning 1p out of 15, and we’d been ahead in each game (I think, from memory) that makes it feel so much worse than it is, because it’s now talk about record bad runs at home, never had this many points dropped successively, etc etc… On the form table, I think we are currently 20th… and that means we need the players to pick their heads up and power on. I’d thought City was the turning point, but West Ham annoyed me (yet, let’s be honest that first half we were incredible, and if Richy’s header had gone in… we would be level with City and there’d be no real talk of a mini-crisis.) but it makes the Newcastle game so much more important.
In our favour, Newcastle historically don’t travel to London well… against us, I suspect our confidence has taken a battering, but these are the situations where our buying into the manager are key. It’s easy to talk the talk when you are winning, it’s what happens when you face adversity that counts.
If we’d spread these four games out through the season instead of facing them consecutively, I‘d say we were exactly where I’d hoped we would be, in touch, playing some exciting stuff, and showing the green shoots of recovery and revitalization.
But because they’ve come 5 in a row, meaning 1p out of 15, and we’d been ahead in each game (I think, from memory) that makes it feel so much worse than it is, because it’s now talk about record bad runs at home, never had this many points dropped successively, etc etc… On the form table, I think we are currently 20th… and that means we need the players to pick their heads up and power on. I’d thought City was the turning point, but West Ham annoyed me (yet, let’s be honest that first half we were incredible, and if Richy’s header had gone in… we would be level with City and there’d be no real talk of a mini-crisis.) but it makes the Newcastle game so much more important.
In our favour, Newcastle historically don’t travel to London well… against us, I suspect our confidence has taken a battering, but these are the situations where our buying into the manager are key. It’s easy to talk the talk when you are winning, it’s what happens when you face adversity that counts.
13VanDerBale13
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If games lasted 45 mins then yes, but like you said we’ve been failing to capitalise on it, due to poor second half performances.
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Well if he's thinking long term then he should be.
If he's thinking short term, probably not.
I hope its the former and we're seeing a different attitude/approach across board level.
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It’s always easier to play when you are one or two behind. no pressure. When you are ahead and the other team are pushing you’ve got to stand up and be counted. West Ham was a fair bit of bad luck, Bowen didn’t know where the ball was and then suddenly , there it is, bang.
Weve had luck this season, yes Liverpool , just got to crack on and get further ahead than one goal.
must say the defence looked miles better with Romero, as you would expect.
Weve had luck this season, yes Liverpool , just got to crack on and get further ahead than one goal.
must say the defence looked miles better with Romero, as you would expect.
Johnny J
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Good piece in the Athletic about how Postecoglou needs more proven goal scorers in the squad.
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Ultra-attacking Tottenham do not actually score many goals - how can Postecoglou change this?
The Australian manager has won plaudits for his uncompromising commitment to attacking football. But the team must improve their finishing
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I think it just goes to show that there are always going to be people who want success now, regardless of the circumstances.
When you take the circumstances into account, it is really hard to justify anything other than Ange doing a very good job so far. We have hit a major roadblock, but I don't think there's any team in the league that could cope with the amount of severe injuries we have had. Look at City, they lost Rodri (in addition to De Bruyne) and could only get 2 shots on goal against the same Villa team we battered with a makeshift XI!!!!
This is going to take time. Fortunately, it seems like the majority of the fans are willing to give Ange the time he needs.
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Use your words. It’s a ’message’ board. Share your feelings about Ange. Tell us your take. Add something.
Use your words. It’s a ’message’ board. Share your feelings about Ange. Tell us your take. Add something.
SpursSince1980
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Ya don’t say!Good piece in the Athletic about how Postecoglou needs more proven goal scorers in the squad.
Ultra-attacking Tottenham do not actually score many goals - how can Postecoglou change this?
The Australian manager has won plaudits for his uncompromising commitment to attacking football. But the team must improve their finishing
Alas, very true.
don't see the point ..what if .. its more like that's what it is
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Good piece in the Athletic about how Postecoglou needs more proven goal scorers in the squad.
Ultra-attacking Tottenham do not actually score many goals - how can Postecoglou change this?
The Australian manager has won plaudits for his uncompromising commitment to attacking football. But the team must improve their finishing
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Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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Ha ha very fair point.
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The biggest thing for me in periods like this, is can I see a plan? Can I see what we want to be? And the answer is yes. Every game/first half bar probably Wolves I have seen us play some wonderful stuff. Had we been clinical this may have been a different conversation. Have to keep mentioning VDV and Maddison in particular missing. Once players are back/brought in we will be even better.
Ange has said there would be bumps in the road early on and that periods like this make the side stronger.
As annoyed as I am in the immediate aftermath of the defeats, the next day I am actually relaxed about things. I watch United and see they have no plan, no togetherness. We have both. Even players that don't feel suited to the system are giving their all. That says it all about Ange's ability to get everyone to buy in. The ones who when everyone is fit would barely get a minute are all in. That is a huge thing.
I think the fans need patience. We can't be sacking a manager so quickly otherwise we're back to square one. It will be another transitional season. People will hate this comparison, but Arteta had poor results early on yet he was backed and they challenged for the league, are back up there again and won an FA Cup. Give him the time and players and we will be fine.
Ange has said there would be bumps in the road early on and that periods like this make the side stronger.
As annoyed as I am in the immediate aftermath of the defeats, the next day I am actually relaxed about things. I watch United and see they have no plan, no togetherness. We have both. Even players that don't feel suited to the system are giving their all. That says it all about Ange's ability to get everyone to buy in. The ones who when everyone is fit would barely get a minute are all in. That is a huge thing.
I think the fans need patience. We can't be sacking a manager so quickly otherwise we're back to square one. It will be another transitional season. People will hate this comparison, but Arteta had poor results early on yet he was backed and they challenged for the league, are back up there again and won an FA Cup. Give him the time and players and we will be fine.
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Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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Absolutely and whoever, we get, people will always moan, would pick different players, would play a different way, would have better in-game management than the head coach and there will always be a transition.
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Good post.
I think patience isn't just in firing or not firing. It's about giving the team the time to gel together and get new signings in. There is no way to do this overnight.
I've been very impressed with our play and while we are all frustrated at our injuries and squad depth, another issue has been ever present, finishing.
We've created enough good chances to finish teams off but Son is our only real goalscorer at the moment.
We can look for that prolific signing, no harm in doing so, but in time the likes of Johnson could be a really good goalscorer for us. It's unlikely he'll join and immediately hit 15+ league goals for us but he has the skilset to do.
Like you say, the style of play is clear and one I want to watch.
Some good signings and time can see us play some really good football that gets results. At least for now I'm enjoying the ride.
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