Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

quackers · Dec 29, 2023

spurs mental said:
VDV and Udogie had already proven in other leagues that they were good footballers, and played plenty of minutes. We'd seen bits of Sarr to suggest he would be good enough. Veliz has had fleeting minutes but I think he's shown he's got something.

The issue is people wanting players to play who have had zero or very little experience. And I understand the reluctance to play them at this moment in time. But i also understand the desire from some to want to see them play.

We haven't had anyone give spurs youth a chance for a very long time so much so Tim nice but Dim is still living off him giving H his chance...

What do we lose by playing them when we see GLC put in performances like that every week.

Or Davies and royal doing that tonight.

Yes they may be young and make mistakes but let them, why persist with shit just because.

HildoSpur · Dec 29, 2023

quackers said:
We haven't had anyone give spurs youth a chance for a very long time so much so Tim nice but Dim is still living off him giving H his chance...

What do we lose by playing them when we see GLC put in performances like that every week.

Or Davies and royal doing that tonight.

Yes they may be young and make mistakes but let them, why persist with shit just because.

Because we want to win games and get as many points as possible and generally they have been fine. Davies has been excellent at centre back mostly these past few weeks.

jurgen · Dec 29, 2023

HildoSpur said:
Ok but in no way does that make him a 'generational talent '. He has not proven anything yet. I hope he does but to suggest he is anything more than a promising young player right now just to try and make a point against our manager is utterly daft.

There were actually a number of people talking up Scarlett as a home-made replacement when it looked like Kane was going to City, so it’s not the first time youth players who need bedding in responsibly are being talked up as saviours.

mil1lion · Dec 29, 2023

JayB said:
Selling him after the window had closed was a problem. I agree wholeheartedly that we should have brought in a third CB in the summer, but once we'd failed to do so it became a massive gamble to sell him to Turkey.

I think the issue is that if we still had Sanchez (and Ndombele) we go into the January window needing to sell first. That's what I'm hoping we get from it by signing someone early.

Johnny J · Dec 29, 2023

spurs mental said:
The issue is people wanting players to play who have had zero or very little experience. And I understand the reluctance to play them at this moment in time. But i also understand the desire from some to want to see them play.

I agree. Such a balanced view.

THOWIG · Dec 29, 2023

People calling for the young players. They clearly aren’t ready. There is a massive jump from the level they play at to the premier league. In time sure, but I don’t believe this nonsense. If they were ready and good enough they’d play.

PaulM · Dec 29, 2023

All this talk about the kids tonight on several sites and social media reminds me of the clamour to get Djed Spence in the team.

quackers · Dec 29, 2023

HildoSpur said:
Because we want to win games and get as many points as possible and generally they have been fine. Davies has been excellent at centre back mostly these past few weeks.

Yep worked well tonight...

quackers · Dec 29, 2023

THOWIG said:
People calling for the young players. They clearly aren’t ready. There is a massive jump from the level they play at to the premier league. In time sure, but I don’t believe this nonsense. If they were ready and good enough they’d play.

Have you seen Emerson royal play at Centre half...

JayB · Dec 29, 2023

mil1lion said:
I think the issue is that if we still had Sanchez (and Ndombele) we go into the January window needing to sell first. That's what I'm hoping we get from it by signing someone early.

And in the interim we've dropped 15 points from 15 in matches where neither VdV nor Romero have been available.

Failing to shift Hugo didn't prevent us from bringing in Vicario, and failing to shift Dier/Sanchez likewise should not have prevented us from bringing in a CB. It would have been one thing if they'd both been tied down on long-term contracts, but that wasn't the case. We're one of the very richest clubs in world football, we can afford to pay the wages of an extra player or two in the squad.

We took a massive gamble in order to save a bit of money, and it's not even clear whether it will save us any money in the end. As I said in my initial post, if you were the chairman of Genoa or Nice would you not be holding out for an extortionate fee for Dragusin/Todibo now? We've got no bargaining leverage whatsoever. If finances are not an adequate excuse for failing to do the necessary business this January, they also should not have been an adequate excuse in the summer.

jurgen · Dec 29, 2023

PaulM said:
All this talk about the kids tonight on several sites and social media reminds me of the clamour to get Djed Spence in the team.

Skipp had a great year at Norwich, got in championship team of the year but people think he’s a donkey. Premier League is a big step.

beats1 · Dec 29, 2023

THFCSPURS19 said:
You say you are frustrated with Ange but haven't suggested what he should have done instead. Also Skipp is injured and wasn't in the squad so not really Ange's fault

I was frustrated for the first time, not frustrated with Ange in general

Play Dier(good at set pieces) or play Dorrington(good on the ball) or Philips(not as good as Dorrington on the ball but can't be worse than Royal)

I would go for Lo Celso instead of Sarr, giving two outlets to hojberg who can pass with the back to goal

spurs9 · Dec 29, 2023

JayB said:
VdV likewise had a serious hamstring injury that caused him to miss 3 months earlier in his career - that's an injury that is commonly recurring, especially considering how reliant on explosive pace he is.

It was perfectly predictable that we would need a third option at CB. I agree that Sanchez's ability on the ball was such that he was never going to be a long-term option for Ange, but he had put in an excellent performance against Barcelona in preseason and had shown that he was capable of defending well in the high line. It was madness letting him go after the window had closed and we'd failed to bring in anyone better.

That analysis is BS though. 1st season at Genoa he missed 4 games, 2nd season he missed 8 games. 1st Season at Atalanta, he missed 4 games.

He has only missed 30-40% twice in his career.

Van de Ven's only prior hamstring injury (in 4 seasons) came when he wasn't getting regular minutes.

Again, we should have signed another CB but Sanchez wasn't/isn't the answer and I still think , considering the trouble we have had shifting players, selling him was the correct decision.

quackers · Dec 29, 2023

jurgen said:
Skipp had a great year at Norwich, got in championship team of the year but people think he’s a donkey. Premier League is a big step.

I don't disagree but my point is we have shit players currently the youth and thanks to levys money making spurs play ive been watching alot of the youth, there's no risk in one of the youth coming in and playing in their regular positions as surely there is no way they are worse than Royal play acting as a centre half...

beats1 · Dec 29, 2023

spurs9 said:
Sanchez doesn't help us IMO, he was shocking on the ball and made countless mistakes, so I'm not against selling him when we did, we should have brought someone else in though, as we knew even if we couldn't sell him, that both he and Dier would be off in, at most, a year later.

We took a chance on the CB situation but unfortunately, the worse case scenario has happened.

Sanchez isn't a problem on the ball if he has options, he struggles when he doesn't have an outlet

He is a better passer than Royal imo

Ghost Hardware · Dec 29, 2023

I’m going to be very interested to see how he deals with the short turn over time between now and Sunday plus loosing yet another player (Kulu). Already against Brighton we looked off the pace & tired so starting the same team bar Kulu isn’t really an option I feel. Due to our injury + suspension list he may have no other option but to turn to some of the youth. Considering how physically intensive our tactics are, if he does attemp to play a similar line up i think we could again be well beaten.

quackers · Dec 29, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I’m going to be very interested to see how he deals with the short turn over time between now and Sunday plus loosing yet another player (Kulu). Already against Brighton we looked off the pace & tired so starting the same team bar Kulu isn’t really an option I feel. Due to our injury + suspension list he may have no other option but to turn to some of the youth. Considering how physically intensive our tactics are, if he does attemp to play a similar line up i think we could again be well beaten.

He's already put the squads tired out excuse I his post match, and if he believes it I very much hope he gives youth a go.

Tonight was the better of the games to do it as Brighton were very inexperienced too.

snakehipsspurs · Dec 29, 2023

95% of my frustration is squarely focused on Levy forcing us into a situation where we have no senior CBs and Hojbjerg has to play major minutes for us.

But my only frustration with Ange all season has been his seeming unwillingness to bed in youth players. Even with all the injuries the only untested/academy players to get any minutes are Veliz and the scraps Donley has got. If we’re building for a future and are willing to sacrifice short term results for it, why not play the players who will be part of that future?

I understand why he didn’t play Dorrington/Phillips from the start tonight as they have no prem experience, but part of the reason for that is on Ange. What if they’d had 6/7 bench appearances over the season already and felt ready to come in? It’s paid out off for Brighton, why can’t we do it?

spurs9 · Dec 29, 2023

beats1 said:
Sanchez isn't a problem on the ball if he has options, he struggles when he doesn't have an outlet

He is a better passer than Royal imo

You and I remember Sanchez very differently.

When he was at Ajax (lots of passing options for him) Jose targeted him in the EL final, as he was so poor at passing the ball under pressure.

spurs9 · Dec 29, 2023

A few of you might be interested to know that Sanchez is currently out injured.............with a hamstring injury.

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