spurs9
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I think finding him a loan will be the tricky part.
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Spurzinho
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We've been linked with Archie Gray of Leeds United. That kid is seriously good. He's only 17 but he's played over 20 games for the first team. He can play anywhere in midfield, deep, wide, behind the strikers as well as wing back. He's an example of what I mean when I talk about youngsters. It might not be the premier league but he's playing against grown men and absolutely smashing it. You've got to give them 10 or so games at that age to see if they can make an impression. If not, fine, take them out and give them a loan. But if you don't give them that 10 or so games to make an impression then you're stunting their growth. Loans are hit and miss, they aren't a guarantee of unlocking a player's potential. If you keep doing things the way we're doing them then we're going to keep losing top young talents. Why should Mikey Moore sign a new contract if he's going to be in and out on loan until he's 23 before we end up selling him for 50k to Swindon? What is the academy for? You're either developing assets to sell for decent money or you're creating talent for the first team. At the moment we're doing neither. I love Spurs but if one of my lads had the choice of signing for Spurs or someone else I'd have to give that someone else, whoever it was, serious consideration. If they did sign with Spurs it would always be in my mind that we're making the most of the training but whether it be 14, 16 or 18 we'll have to be looking to turn down a new contract in order to find a club that will have a pathway.
coy-spurs1882
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can't see Gray leaving Leeds so early (at 17) considering his family though
What is the 1st team for? If it is to compete, you gain your chance on merit and surpassing those before you on managers eyes. If it is there for development of individuals from academy for whatever purpose, then you can throw 10 games for 17 years old just to develop them and see how they would do in top tier.
I seriously want to see some evidence on talent we've thrown away, those that moved on at very early age as proper talent like Bennets or Reo Griffiths have done nothing.
Why would we close academy? It has produced 1st team players both for us and to sell and they've gained their shot when management sees them ready. But we won't and shouldn't sacricife goals of 1st team just to develop some individuals from youth set up. And we won't. If we did, it would be valid to question ask what the 1st team is for.
Westmorlandspur
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None of ours are getting 10 games to see if they are any good. Not in any other academy either.
Look at Kobie Mainoo at United. Made his debut this season and made an instant impression . Looked good enough to be a first team player. That is what they have to do. It’s a hard busInes.
I hope Devine gets some game time in pre season friendlies , he certainly has something about him.
If we buy more youngish 1st team central defenders on top of Dragusin, it will be rather hard for any of them. Micky, Romero, Dragusin and steady, but slowly aging Ben might give them chances in couple of seasons (next season will be in likelihood loans). Add 1 more expensive, proven and youngish central defender on that lot and it'll demand more.
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It's usually the ones that we've signed from another club. Why? Because they have played men's football. That's how they came to our attention in the first place. If you come through the system at Spurs you're behind the eight ball.
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Hard to know really, you would think Phillips possibly has the edge at the moment as he has at least played some games for Blackburn. Dorrington really needs a loan to build experience and Vuskovic is a bit of an unknown and only 16 however seems to have insane potential and could be a real player if all goes to plan (already has 8 appearances for Hajduk Split which is mental). So short term possibly Phillips, longer term quite possibly Vuskovic but god knows.
Really, list players that've come through the ranks in the last 10-15 years that have gotten more than 10 apps on 1st team quickly on top of head:
Skipp
Tanganga
Winks
Kane
Bentaleb
Caulker
Townsend
Onoham
Mason
Livermore
Walker-Peters etc.
And getting purchased from elsewhere as teenager doesn't guarantee any minutes, not even with hype of Soulemane Coulibaly. Seems Coulibaly, year younger than Kane, is still playing. Now in Algerian league.
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Leaving..... or buy and loan back!
coy-spurs1882
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Debut for first team
Tanganga - 2019
Skipp - 2018
Walker-Peters - 2017
Onomah - 2015
Winks - 2014
Bentaleb - 2013
Caulker - 2012
Kane - 2011
Townsend - 2011
Livermore - 2010
Mason - 2008
how can you say that we are providing a clear pathway? our youth management is abysmal after departure of Sherwood, McDermott and Inglethorpe
Tanganga - 2019
Skipp - 2018
Walker-Peters - 2017
Onomah - 2015
Winks - 2014
Bentaleb - 2013
Caulker - 2012
Kane - 2011
Townsend - 2011
Livermore - 2010
Mason - 2008
how can you say that we are providing a clear pathway? our youth management is abysmal after departure of Sherwood, McDermott and Inglethorpe
Clear pathway is to beat what's on front of you like in any team trying to actually achieve something instead of being feeder club. If there hasn't been breakthrough, nor have we let players from youth set up slip and achieve something elsewhere without getting shot at here first, it's not about letting them have game time but them not being good enough.
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Every time our first team are rubbish or flaky, this place is a haven of reasoned tranquility.
Now the first team is coming together and suddenly this place is throwing bottles.
Definitely confident that a few of the kids in our current group will come through in the next couple of years though - and it looks like we're trying to work the loan system better too.
Now the first team is coming together and suddenly this place is throwing bottles.
Definitely confident that a few of the kids in our current group will come through in the next couple of years though - and it looks like we're trying to work the loan system better too.
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One of the best models when we can see youth talent like this, who are already playing first team football, is to buy and loan them back to the same club to continue their growth. It worked beautifully for both Sarr and Udogie, and I hope the same will be the case for Luka Vuskovic at Hadjuk Split, who has another 18 months there before joining us.
If we want Archie Gray for the future but can't guarantee an immediate pathway to our first team why can't we use this loan back model? For the kids who are already here - Donley, Moore etc. - when the time is right loan them out to get their first team experience at a slightly lower level.
