Ross Barkley

Guntz · Jul 28, 2017

matty74 said:
Barkley can't tackle and loses possession to easily. No way can he be a holding midfielder. His best attributes are more suited to a attacking midfielder

I remember some people saying that about Dembele the first couple of years at Fulham. He has all the attributes to be a good holding midfielder, he's agile, strong, good with the ball, and has a good eye for a pass.

There's no reason why he couldn't succeed with some good coaching from Poch.

Jody · Jul 28, 2017

Barkley Ali Eriksen son lamela for the front 3 with dembele, winks and onomah for the cm and dier and wanyama for the dm. Sorted.

Westmorland · Jul 28, 2017

diamond lights said:
Yep. That's why Colin Murray resigned. He did it as soon as Murdoch Group took over as he is a big Liverpool fan and there's the whole "Sun" Hillsborough history.

Doesn't seem to bother Tony Evans of the evening standard he is happy to take the money on various shows and he was actually in the Leppings Lane end at Hillsborough in 89. Also Collymore was sacked.

arunspurs · Jul 28, 2017

matty74 said:
Barkley can't tackle and loses possession to easily. No way can he be a holding midfielder. His best attributes are more suited to a attacking midfielder

Barkley doesnt need to tackle. Barkley needs to learn how to take defensive positions ,where the attacker stops for a few moment, shepard him out and win the ball , if possible.

I remember Eriksen to be a luxury player in AVB team ,where he did nothing of note defensively. But 3 years under Poch, Eriksen now has 'know how' of being a midfielder & can do his work defensively.

SpartanSpur · Jul 28, 2017

Guntz said:
I remember some people saying that about Dembele the first couple of years at Fulham. He has all the attributes to be a good holding midfielder, he's agile, strong, good with the ball, and has a good eye for a pass.

There's no reason why he couldn't succeed with some good coaching from Poch.

This. I think that is more of a long term vision. I don't think he'd be throwing him straight in there. Similar to Onomah.

mil1lion · Jul 28, 2017

THFCSPURS19 said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/tottenham-hotspur-plan-new-ross-barkley-role-5zvmztsf0

Tottenham Hotspur plan new Ross Barkley role

Mauricio Pochettino wants to sign Ross Barkley for Tottenham Hotspur this summer in the belief that he can convert the England player into a central midfielder. The Tottenham manager has identified the Everton midfielder as a potential long-term replacement for Mousa Dembélé as he fears that the Belgian will struggle to play at the highest level beyond his early thirties.

Dembélé has two years left on his contract and will remain a key member of the side for that period, but the club are already planning for life without a player who turned 30 this month. Pochettino believes that Barkley could be effective in Dembélé’s role as a deeper lying midfielder responsible for controlling the rhythm of Tottenham’s game as well as in the No 10 role that he has largely filled for Everton.

There are concerns at the club about Dembélé’s longevity because he has been playing regular first-team football since the age of 19 in the most physically demanding area of the pitch.

Tottenham’s long-term interest in Barkley had been questioned given that he generally plays in the same position as Dele Alli, who has been among their best players since he joined the club two years ago and is rated ahead of the Evertonian by Gareth Southgate, the England manager.

Barkley’s decision-making and discipline has been found wanting at times but Tottenham are likely to face competition for the 23-year-old’s signature from Manchester United and Chelsea, who are also eyeing Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, the Arsenal winger. Ronald Koeman has made it clear that Barkley has no future at Goodison Park, which may impact on the Everton manager’s attempts to get a club to match their £50 million valuation.

Not too sure if this is true. I think Wink is the ideal Dembele replacement. He really sets the tempo with his quick movement of the ball. Although I could certainly see Barkley in a central 3 with Wanyama and Winks on occasion I think he'll primarily be played in the Alli and Eriksen positions.

Metalhead · Jul 28, 2017

Guntz said:
I remember some people saying that about Dembele the first couple of years at Fulham. He has all the attributes to be a good holding midfielder, he's agile, strong, good with the ball, and has a good eye for a pass.

There's no reason why he couldn't succeed with some good coaching from Poch.

Excellent example IMO. People didn't get Dembele for a long while if memory serves.

JayB · Jul 28, 2017

I don't think Barkley would be seen primarily as a central midfielder but his versatility would be useful in terms of providing last-ditch cover in case of an injury crisis, as well as gradually blooding in Onomah and Oakley-Booth.

Let's say Winks picks up another long-term ankle injury. We know that Dembele can't play twice a week, so someone else from the squad would have to slot in there or else we'd be left with the awful Dier/Wanyama pairing. Hopefully Onomah would be seen as the best option, but if he is deemed not ready or fails to impress then having a player who has played CM at times would gives us a bit more breathing room. It would be similar to Eriksen playing there (as he did some toward the end of last season), just that Barkley has a bit more physical presence.

Basically it would give us one more option without blocking the progress of the academy products who would be coming through.

StanSpur · Jul 28, 2017

mil1lion said:
Not too sure if this is true. I think Wink is the ideal Dembele replacement. He really sets the tempo with his quick movement of the ball. Although I could certainly see Barkley in a central 3 with Wanyama and Winks on occasion I think he'll primarily be played in the Alli and Eriksen positions.

Truth is we need two replacements for Dembele as we need a squad with 2 options for every role. Barkley and Winks competing to sit alongside Wanyama or Dier does sound like a good plan to me. Worst case and he turns out to be more attack minded then you look at him competing with Dele Eriksen Lamela and Son in the front 3. Either way I think he would definitely add to the squad and with his age and the reduced cost given his contract (although still overinflated given the current market) I think this would be a very good signing for spurs.

diamond lights · Jul 28, 2017

Westmorland said:
Doesn't seem to bother Tony Evans of the evening standard he is happy to take the money on various shows and he was actually in the Leppings Lane end at Hillsborough in 89. Also Collymore was sacked.

Might be true but Murray is a very principled guy. I know a few people that know him very well and he is actually a real, down to earth individual. Doesn't give it the big celebrity bit, what you see is what you get. Pity he's a L'pool fan.

WiganSpur · Jul 28, 2017

JayB said:
I don't think Barkley would be seen primarily as a central midfielder but his versatility would be useful in terms of providing last-ditch cover in case of an injury crisis, as well as gradually blooding in Onomah and Oakley-Booth.

Let's say Winks picks up another long-term ankle injury. We know that Dembele can't play twice a week, so someone else from the squad would have to slot in there or else we'd be left with the awful Dier/Wanyama pairing. Hopefully Onomah would be seen as the best option, but if he is deemed not ready or fails to impress then having a player who has played CM at times would gives us a bit more breathing room. It would be similar to Eriksen playing there (as he did some toward the end of last season), just that Barkley has a bit more physical presence.

Basically it would give us one more option without blocking the progress of the academy products who would be coming through.

I think Barkley is a better playmaker than people give him credit for. Upon seeing him he is much closer to Eriksen than he is Alli. If he dramatically improves the defensive side of his game then I think there is the potential for him to play in CM.

mil1lion · Jul 28, 2017

StanSpur said:
Truth is we need two replacements for Dembele as we need a squad with 2 options for every role. Barkley and Winks competing to sit alongside Wanyama or Dier does sound like a good plan to me. Worst case and he turns out to be more attack minded then you look at him competing with Dele Eriksen Lamela and Son in the front 3. Either way I think he would definitely add to the squad and with his age and the reduced cost given his contract (although still overinflated given the current market) I think this would be a very good signing for spurs.

Indeed and I think that versatility is important anyway especially since we change between 3 and 4 at the back. I guess there's no defined role as such and we'll see where he fits best. I do think he has potential to score more goals than he does or at least provide assists in the more advanced role though.

Personally I'd like to see Onomah drop back a bit and Barkley occupy the more advanced positions. So we'll have Onomah, Winks, Dembele, Wanyama and Dier. That's incredibly strong competition. I think of Barkley as a replacement for the mistake made signing Sissoko. I think he'll play largely the same position that Sissoko came on in but we'll see.

Blackrat1299 · Jul 28, 2017

mark_2017 said:
It has been said in previous windows by itks that every few million saved on signing players in instances like this allows us to use that on another signing.

5m is still alot of money when you think about it, but if we can save a couple mil here and a few there, then over the course of a few transfers that'll allow us to have the money to get an eriksen for example .

Remember, we don't have a bottomless pit of money like some teams do but what we do have is a very astute chairman when it comes to the financial side of our business.

You may well be right, however if Sigi goes to the toffee's then we get an unexpected windfall which will most probably cover that.

yankspurs · Jul 28, 2017

THFCSPURS19 said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/tottenham-hotspur-plan-new-ross-barkley-role-5zvmztsf0

Tottenham Hotspur plan new Ross Barkley role

Mauricio Pochettino wants to sign Ross Barkley for Tottenham Hotspur this summer in the belief that he can convert the England player into a central midfielder. The Tottenham manager has identified the Everton midfielder as a potential long-term replacement for Mousa Dembélé as he fears that the Belgian will struggle to play at the highest level beyond his early thirties.

Dembélé has two years left on his contract and will remain a key member of the side for that period, but the club are already planning for life without a player who turned 30 this month. Pochettino believes that Barkley could be effective in Dembélé’s role as a deeper lying midfielder responsible for controlling the rhythm of Tottenham’s game as well as in the No 10 role that he has largely filled for Everton.

There are concerns at the club about Dembélé’s longevity because he has been playing regular first-team football since the age of 19 in the most physically demanding area of the pitch.

Tottenham’s long-term interest in Barkley had been questioned given that he generally plays in the same position as Dele Alli, who has been among their best players since he joined the club two years ago and is rated ahead of the Evertonian by Gareth Southgate, the England manager.

Barkley’s decision-making and discipline has been found wanting at times but Tottenham are likely to face competition for the 23-year-old’s signature from Manchester United and Chelsea, who are also eyeing Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, the Arsenal winger. Ronald Koeman has made it clear that Barkley has no future at Goodison Park, which may impact on the Everton manager’s attempts to get a club to match their £50 million valuation.

I see that someone has been reading SC and discovering what it's latest bat shit obsession is. Everyone, wave hello to Matt Hughes! Hi, Matt!

Sanj · Jul 28, 2017

matty74 said:
Barkley can't tackle and loses possession to easily. No way can he be a holding midfielder. His best attributes are more suited to a attacking midfielder

I'm not saying Barkley can tackle, but he is a strong boy and hard to knock off the ball.
My bro's an Everton season ticket holder - and he can't wait to be rid or Barkley, but he did say that Barkley has been at his best when he's occasionally played as a deeper midfielder.

HildoSpur · Jul 28, 2017

diamond lights said:
Might be true but Murray is a very principled guy. I know a few people that know him very well and he is actually a real, down to earth individual. Doesn't give it the big celebrity bit, what you see is what you get. Pity he's a L'pool fan.

I met him last year and he was incredibly nice - bought everybody in the bar a round of drinks and generally treated us all like we were his mates. Top, top bloke.

longtimespur · Jul 28, 2017

HildoSpur said:
I met him last year and he was incredibly nice - bought everybody in the bar a round of drinks and generally treated us all like we were his mates. Top, top bloke.

Isn't that what's known as "Buying friends" ?

heelspurs · Jul 28, 2017

matty74 said:
Barkley can't tackle and loses possession to easily. No way can he be a holding midfielder. His best attributes are more suited to a attacking midfielder

Absolutely agree. What I have found with young players, and players in general, is that it is best to take a small cross-section of their time in bad teams, under bad coaches and extrapolate that into expectations for their whole career. And this usually works because no player ever has added qualities to their game and coaching is at best ineffective if not irrelevant. And as no player at Spurs has improved under Poch then it only stands to reason that Barkley wouldn't either. And thus we can conclude that he will remain a limited player that can only play 'coming in off the right' lest he be shit and losing the ball then we might as well stay with Sissoko and his corner sorties. Because as we know "no way can he be a holding MF". And neither can Mousa because he holds it too long, slows play, doesn't have the work rate, etc. And no way should Poch have used Dier as DM last year because it won't be successful because Dier is a CB. And while we are at it we should ship Danny Rose's useless ass back to Sunderland because when he was Ross' age he was 'useless' to most on this board.

HildoSpur · Jul 28, 2017

longtimespur said:
Isn't that what's known as "Buying friends" ?

Ha! Well I'm all for it if I get a free shot.

Trix · Jul 28, 2017

matty74 said:
Barkley can't tackle and loses possession to easily. No way can he be a holding midfielder. His best attributes are more suited to a attacking midfielder

Remember Danny Rose' tackling/defensive play pre Poch? Constantly out of position, diving in giving away free kicks in stupid areas.

Now he's the best full back in the country.

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