The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

WindyCOYS · Oct 3, 2017

Bennetts and Skipp were terrific tonight. Impressed with Shashoua, Austin and Pritchard too. That was perhaps the best I've seen Pritchard play.

Amos came into the game a lot more, got the team out of some stick situations with some neat play; a mature performance from him.

Dinzeyi made a couple of risky passes which played us into trouble.

EQP · Oct 3, 2017

WindyCOYS said:
Bennetts and Skipp were terrific tonight. Impressed with Shashoua, Austin and Pritchard too. That was perhaps the best I've seen Pritchard play.

Amos came into the game a lot more, got the team out of some stick situations with some neat play; a mature performance from him.

Dinzeyi made a couple of risky passes which played us into trouble.

Was Bennetts a LB or LW in this game?

WindyCOYS · Oct 3, 2017

SlumDilla said:
Was Bennetts a LB or LW in this game?

LB with Shashoua ahead of him.

DCSPUR · Oct 3, 2017

Spurzinho said:
Pretty much. Judged against the rest of their youth team at the time Rashford just looked like a kid with a lot of pace and not much else, he also looked quite gangly and unbalanced - bambi on ice comes to mind. There were others who showed far more invention and skill in his team. I guess they were all trying to unseat seasoned international stars where as Rashford emerged as someone with a lot of pace at a time when United's forward like lacked exactly that. Right place. Right Time.

apropos of nothing...
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Thanks mate! Super useful info!

coys200 · Oct 3, 2017

Do you think Bennetts is ready for 1st squad windy?seems to have the physicality for it unlike Edwards.I guess if Rose is back he could be tried in more advanced role?

IGSpur · Oct 3, 2017

DCSPUR said:
that was a good bit of info on him.

slightly off topic I know but I was reading this guardian article on Rashford and trying to understand his rise.
If I remember correctly @spurs9 and @IGSpur had mentioned that there were several others at youth level who looked better than him. So is his success simply right place right time or something else?

Spurzinho said:
Pretty much. Judged against the rest of their youth team at the time Rashford just looked like a kid with a lot of pace and not much else, he also looked quite gangly and unbalanced - bambi on ice comes to mind. There were others who showed far more invention and skill in his team. I guess they were all trying to unseat seasoned international stars where as Rashford emerged as someone with a lot of pace at a time when United's forward like lacked exactly that. Right place. Right Time.

apropos of nothing...

Anyone know what the hell has happened to Shayon Harrison? Is he injured? I don't think he's going to make it here at all but he seems to have disappeared even from the U23 scene.

I personally think that Rashford is better than Spurzinho thinks, but he was by no means outstanding. He was Man Utd's best player after Mitchell received his injury and was a promising/good winger, converted to striker as all of United's youth strikers were injured. I think he'd been playing as a striker for less than a year before, due to injuries he was given a chance and went from there. He was behind Abraham who is doing alright for Swansea. Solanke who I think has done OK for Pool, Armstrong who banged them in for Coventry and then Newcastle bought Dwight Gayle and arguably Brown. I thought Rashofrd was better than Brown, and Brown arguably wasn't a striker. It was right place right time and his mentality and talent have agreed him, same with Kane, though Kane imho should a lot more talent/ability as a footballer to me.

Thing is as I've said before, most fans believe the PL is this incredibly talented league that noone should be able to break into, but forget that the PL is filled with players that all started somewhere, generally at worse academies than ours.. PL academies are some of the best in the world, so it stands to reason that they, having been coached their whole life to be ready for the PL, are good enough for the PL.

Joe Pritchard could be thrown into a PL game, and do a job. He wouldn't be great, but he wouldn't completely tank.He could take a ball off one player and lay it off to another. It's what they've been doing their whole life. Georgiou, Lesniak, Walkes were all average players in their positions and between the PL,CL and LC have shown that they don't look out of their depth in the first team. Prolonged appearances would have exposed their limitations, but these are professionals. If you take the players who are actually dominating and showing quality and skill imagine how well they'd do? It's why I have no fear in them playing for our first team and why I'm so adamant that the best of our best should be given a chance.

So in my opinion as with most academy breakthroughs. The something else, is quite simply being coached to a PL standard. Off by heart I can probably think of 50 academy players good enough for the PL in currently or in the next year or two. However, and sadly the most important thing is right place right time. If England are lucky maybe 5 of them will come through and it will likely be down to a massive injury crisis or players completely flopping, and rarely due to any actual plan. This whole cream will awlays rise to the top thing, is complete BS in this country. It is the reason England are now calling up a player who, while quality and better than any other options, has only made 4 PL starts, as there is no real competition.

Anyway I made a post about Rashford here that might give a more in depth answer, about his rise, from how I saw it. Avid youth watchers from United might not say it's 100% accurate http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/general-youth-football.122047/page-12#post-5075552

EQP · Oct 4, 2017

coys200 said:
Do you think Bennetts is ready for 1st squad windy?seems to have the physicality for it unlike Edwards.I guess if Rose is back he could be tried in more advanced role?

I think if Poch were to train him into a LWB for our current system, he would do well. I'm not sure how defensively sound he is (the other youth watchers can speak on this) but he does seem to have speed, physicality and two footedness.

DCSPUR · Oct 4, 2017

IGSpur said:
I personally think that Rashford is better than Spurzinho thinks, but he was by no means outstanding. He was Man Utd's best player after Mitchell received his injury and was a promising/good winger, converted to striker as all of United's youth strikers were injured. I think he'd been playing as a striker for less than a year before, due to injuries he was given a chance and went from there. He was behind Abraham who is doing alright for Swansea. Solanke who I think has done OK for Pool, Armstrong who banged them in for Coventry and then Newcastle bought Dwight Gayle and arguably Brown. I thought Rashofrd was better than Brown, and Brown arguably wasn't a striker. It was right place right time and his mentality and talent have agreed him, same with Kane, though Kane imho should a lot more talent/ability as a footballer to me.

Thing is as I've said before, most fans believe the PL is this incredibly talented league that noone should be able to break into, but forget that the PL is filled with players that all started somewhere, generally at worse academies than ours.. PL academies are some of the best in the world, so it stands to reason that they, having been coached their whole life to be ready for the PL, are good enough for the PL.

Joe Pritchard could be thrown into a PL game, and do a job. He wouldn't be great, but he wouldn't completely tank.He could take a ball off one player and lay it off to another. It's what they've been doing their whole life. Georgiou, Lesniak, Walkes were all average players in their positions and between the PL,CL and LC have shown that they don't look out of their depth in the first team. Prolonged appearances would have exposed their limitations, but these are professionals. If you take the players who are actually dominating and showing quality and skill imagine how well they'd do? It's why I have no fear in them playing for our first team and why I'm so adamant that the best of our best should be given a chance.

So in my opinion as with most academy breakthroughs. The something else, is quite simply being coached to a PL standard. Off by heart I can probably think of 50 academy players good enough for the PL in currently or in the next year or two. However, and sadly the most important thing is right place right time. If England are lucky maybe 5 of them will come through and it will likely be down to a massive injury crisis or players completely flopping, and rarely due to any actual plan. This whole cream will awlays rise to the top thing, is complete BS in this country. It is the reason England are now calling up a player who, while quality and better than any other options, has only made 4 PL starts, as there is no real competition.

Anyway I made a post about Rashford here that might give a more in depth answer, about his rise, from how I saw it. Avid youth watchers from United might not say it's 100% accurate http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/general-youth-football.122047/page-12#post-5075552

wonderful post! thank you

shelfboy68 · Oct 4, 2017

WindyCOYS said:
Bennetts and Skipp were terrific tonight. Impressed with Shashoua, Austin and Pritchard too. That was perhaps the best I've seen Pritchard play.

Amos came into the game a lot more, got the team out of some stick situations with some neat play; a mature performance from him.

Dinzeyi made a couple of risky passes which played us into trouble.

I've noticed that we seem to lose quite a lot of games and are involved in quite high scoring ones as well, is this a case of technical development at this age and so the score and results don't tend to matter.

edson · Oct 4, 2017

shelfboy68 said:
I've noticed that we seem to lose quite a lot of games and are involved in quite high scoring ones as well, is this a case of technical development at this age and so the score and results don't tend to matter.

Very simple answer we have a few poor players that we use often playing at the back and when they play you know we are going to concede goals mostly from the same type of mistake.

edson · Oct 4, 2017

Luka Van der Bale · Oct 4, 2017

edson said:

Bennetts

kmk · Oct 4, 2017

edson said:

Keenan Bennetts looks very exciting and seems to have a decent end product too.

WindyCOYS · Oct 4, 2017

Bennetts has improved his end product immeasurably and IMO looks much better coming from deep in the FB/WB position.

Personally I would far rather him be involved with all things first team than Georgiou.

allpaths · Oct 4, 2017

Really don't know what more Bennetts has to do to start getting his chances with the first team (like training with them and making bench appearances in the domestic cup) . I really love his two footedness and that's such a big attribute to have at the WB postion. Clubs wasting everyone's time persisting with Georgiou.

Hengy1 · Oct 4, 2017

Bennett’s does look ready for first team physically and talent wise over probably everyone else imo

Blake Griffin · Oct 4, 2017

i think he's fine where he is for now. not meaning to play him down here but it is only two months of good form, it's not like he's been knocking on the door for the past couple of years - he's shown flashes in that time but has been far too inconsistent and frustrating. i'm glad he's now putting his talent together but i don't think he's at the point yet where he should be thrust into the first team picture, granted i think you can make a case for him considering tob is there but then i think tob himself has been pushed up prematurely.

Hengy1 · Oct 4, 2017

Blake Griffin said:
i think he's fine where he is for now. not meaning to play him down here but it is only two months of good form, it's not like he's been knocking on the door for the past couple of years - he's shown flashes in that time but has been far too inconsistent and frustrating. i'm glad he's now putting his talent together but i don't think he's at the point yet where he should be thrust into the first team picture, granted i think you can make a case for him considering tob is there but then i think tob himself has been pushed up prematurely.

What in terms with Georgiou being with it and people wanting Edwards to be ( prematurely imo ) in with the first team?

Agree from what I’ve seen it seems to all come together this season and clicked. Whether that was hard work over the summer or genuinely maturing abit to be more consistent.

allpaths · Oct 4, 2017

Blake Griffin said:
i think he's fine where he is for now. not meaning to play him down here but it is only two months of good form, it's not like he's been knocking on the door for the past couple of years - he's shown flashes in that time but has been far too inconsistent and frustrating. i'm glad he's now putting his talent together but i don't think he's at the point yet where he should be thrust into the first team picture, granted i think you can make a case for him considering tob is there but then i think tob himself has been pushed up prematurely.

I thought Keanan had a really strong end to last season as well. I dont at all mind him getting the game time at u23 level, I just hope he starts training regularly with the first team so he can start the process of becoming comfortable in that setting.

Blake Griffin · Oct 4, 2017

Hengy1 said:
What in terms with Georgiou being with it and people wanting Edwards to be ( prematurely imo ) in with the first team?

Agree from what I’ve seen it seems to all come together this season and clicked. Whether that was hard work over the summer or genuinely maturing abit to be more consistent.

i don't think georgiou should be there either based on performances - maybe his attitude and application in training are first class and that's why poch has brought him up to the first team, i don't know but if we're just going to say well georgiou is there then we may as well move all of the u23s into the first team. i do think edwards should be there, again, based on performances and nothing else but i get that they want him to improve physically first, i don't know why he can't train with the first team whilst playing u23s but then i'm not the manager.

i just think it should take more than a couple of bright months before being pushed up, the last time bennetts had a run of form of this kind was as a first year playing u23s but then it fizzled out and the following 18 months were mostly unremarkable.

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