Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner

Ghost Hardware · Jan 6, 2024

fishhhandaricecake said:
All true however if Solomon is back he and Kulu can provide more of the guile plus Maddison & GLC.

Solomon for me is a poor man’s Jota, he should be good against the low blocks but next summer id like us to add Jota to really give us a great mix of options as I agree we do at times lack a bit of guile and creativity but Werner, Johnson, Richy and Son will cause teams big problems with their pace and movement the way we play.

I really feel like nobody can have a clue about what Solomon will be able to provide in this system yet. I agree that he wasn’t particularly impressive thus far but Ange said that he was only just starting to get the system when he got injured. Essentially whilst I would be lying if I said I didn’t have a few concerns I do think he needs to be given the rest of the season to adapt. In theory he certainly has the skill set and he’s had dominating games and in the CL against the likes of Real Madrid in the past so there’s no reason he should be any worse then Jota and could even end up being better. Just need to give him time and let Ange work with him.

As for the rest, realistically when Maddison is back or if we get another CM I think Kulu goes back to starting RW which should help with the balance of the front line but in the interim having Kulu and Gio starting in CM should help a lot with a more one dimensional front 3.

Ghost Hardware · Jan 6, 2024

worcestersauce said:
Without wishing to be controversial and without wanting to have a pop at Richarlison I think it may not be a problem for a lot longer.
I'm really beginning to feel that Richarlison may be moved on in the summer.

I agree 100%, I think his days are numbered. I mean if we were seriously looking at Gimenez amongst others as per ITK then he would not be cheap and I doubt we’d be looking at him to be a back up/rotation striker. But as long as he is here we need him to feel confident in order to get the most out of him so dropping him for a loan player is probably not the way to play it.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Jan 6, 2024

Mr Pink said:
Not sure ball retention skills in our front three is majorly relevant.

We'll press, look to turn the ball over and transition quickly using our pace to take advanatge before the opposition get set.

Also Werner contributed a lot to Chelsea's attack. Sure he didnt hit good numbers in terms of goals but he made significant contributions to their all round attack.

Ok, against bus parkers more finesse with the ball comes into it, but we then look at other permutations.

That front three, at Old Trafford for example, would be deadly.

I think every attack, if a team wants to be elite, has to have elements of ball retention, technical quality, 1v1 ability etc to it.

We are a possession heavy side. You are spot on about the pressing and counter pressing and I agree we will definitely create chances from that but we also have large periods where we box teams in and keep the ball moving.

At the moment whenever the ball goes in to the final third we struggle to retain it in and around the box and make poor decisions or are incapable of going further. We still get to that position absolutely loads because the rest of our play is sensational, our build up through from Vic through defence and the midfield is amazing but it falls apart way too often in the final third because of the imbalance of our front 3’s attacking traits imo. I don’t think Werner fixes this at all but I do think his pressing will help us in transitions.

moomin · Jan 6, 2024

high upside cover for son/veliz. he'll get some starts to prove himself while son is away, and if he doesn't impress he'll go back to the bench and richarlison will slot above him once son is back. this signing just makes so much sense.

rossdapep · Jan 6, 2024

barry said:

Few bad ones in there but some were not that bad. Son has missed some exactly the same.

My feeling is he will get plenty of chances so a few misses won't be too much of an issue.

Last night when Richarlison missed his first left-footed shot, Ange looked very disappointed, this was not late in the game either when you usually are a bit cooler with misses.

He looked like he was thinking that Richarlison had to step up and take that as those are the kinda chances Ange wants creating. So pretty useless him being on the end of them if he can't even get any solid connection on them.

Have to wonder if Werner was a bit of a reaction to last night?

Perhaps we had a list of outright signings drawn up, mostly for the summer and also had a bit of a back-up list of loans etc just in case Ange felt it really necessary.

With Richy missing those chances, plus the one versus Bournemouth, perhaps Ange pushed that button and brought it forward immediately after the game rather than something we intended to do this window anyway.

Pretty sure if Richarlison scores a brace in that first half then we are not entertaining the loan.

Joshua · Jan 6, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
We don't really play with a typical "wing" - Ange is trying to get the ball, and people, into the box. In an ideal world, the LW carries the ball into the box, draws a defender, and then slots the ball to the striker, or pulls it back for a training CM (or even Udogie).

Werner is not just pacy - he is quick - and can use that to pressure defenders and get the ball in the box from the left side.

I think Werner is probably best as a striker - but that is not the same as saying he is ineffective as a wing player. In many ways, he would be similar to Son in the LW role.

And, I think Werner is more effective as a LW, than Richarlison is. So, if our attacking options are Werner, Richarlison, Johnson - that is the order I would line them up.

We don’t play with a typical wing because we don’t have any of note. Ivan is crocked, Gil is too weak and Solomon isn’t anything special. Hopefully that’s addressed in the summer. Werner on the left for us would struggle in the same way Brennan, Son and Richy all have. I don’t disagree that he’ll end up playing there though due to the options we have. But he’ll be much, much better through the middle.

HarryKane · Jan 6, 2024

I don't doubt his work off the ball and his fit for the general style of play for the team. He works hard, can press well, can excel when countering/in transition, has good movement off the ball and is a very good athlete so he fits the style of player mould very well. But on the ball and in front of goal he can be a nightmare and those bad games make you wonder how the hell he's actually a professional player. There was a game vs Zenit years ago where he looked okay and then he completely miscontrolled a pass and it went out for a throw. If people are frustrated with Rich not finishing chances then you're going to pull your hair out watching this guy, the only player that comes close in that regard in very recent times for them has been Jackson and he's been terrible. That is if he can stay on side in the first place. I generally don't like these but apparently for chelsea in the league he had 7 goals from 16.77 xg at that point in his 2 seasons, which pretty much means you're dog water if you only score 0.4x what the average player "should" score

He's like a Lucas and Adama Traore type of player - he clearly has something about him but puts it together in maybe 1/5 games that gives you hope and think "if he can do that more consistently he's a world beater" and the other 4/5 wondering how he can play so well in those 1/5 games. If you can make him click he's transformative, if not you can't get him out of there quick enough. 6 month loan with a cheap option is fair and low risk but I'm not expecting him to put it all together magically out of nowhere

Bluto Blutarsky · Jan 6, 2024

Joshua said:
We don’t play with a typical wing because we don’t have any of note. Ivan is crocked, Gil is too weak and Solomon isn’t anything special. Hopefully that’s addressed in the summer. Werner on the left for us would struggle in the same way Brennan, Son and Richy all have. I don’t disagree that he’ll end up playing there though due to the options we have. But he’ll be much, much better through the middle.

If you watch how Celtic played under Ange -it was not with a traditional winger whose main job was to get crosses in - Jota played on both the left and right for Ange, with the idea of a quick player getting into the box and drawing defenders out of position.

allpaths · Jan 6, 2024

This is the best deal for us in the short term.

Timo is the poor man's version of the player we will target in the summer.

Mr Pink · Jan 6, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
I think every attack, if a team wants to be elite, has to have elements of ball retention, technical quality, 1v1 ability etc to it.

We are a possession heavy side. You are spot on about the pressing and counter pressing and I agree we will definitely create chances from that but we also have large periods where we box teams in and keep the ball moving.

At the moment whenever the ball goes in to the final third we struggle to retain it in and around the box and make poor decisions or are incapable of going further. We still get to that position absolutely loads because the rest of our play is sensational, our build up through from Vic through defence and the midfield is amazing but it falls apart way too often in the final third because of the imbalance of our front 3’s attacking traits imo. I don’t think Werner fixes this at all but I do think his pressing will help us in transitions.

Yeah good points.

And this probably wont be improved until the sumner.

Richarlison works very hard but the ball just doesnt seem to stick with him.

Also, he's not that quick which often sees us cede possession, as he's attempting to run on to a through ball and gets out paced...have you noticed this?

With Werner's pace, at least that aspect should improve.

Thenewcat · Jan 6, 2024

Joshua said:
Not for me, central is where he’ll be best. Not sure what attributes he has that suggest he’d be a good fit on the wing.

Son doesn’t play ‘on the wing’ either. He plays as an inside forward

TheWallYid · Jan 6, 2024

In Big Ange I trust. The style we play will suit a quick striker who can get in behind. Go watch his interview with Ferdinand player mentality is one of the key ingredients for him

Joshua · Jan 6, 2024

Thenewcat said:
Son doesn’t play ‘on the wing’ either. He plays as an inside forward

I know, and in an ideal world we’d have a touchline winger in that position instead.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jan 6, 2024

allpaths said:
This is the best deal for us in the short term.

Timo is the poor man's version of the player we will target in the summer.

Or, and hear me out - Timo is the player we target now to play striker for a few years, and we are looking to bring in some younger players who will gradually replace Son, Timo, Richarlison, etc.

We have done very well in recruiting players who some might consider the "poor man's version" - Bentancur, Deki, Vicario come to mind immediately.

Joshua · Jan 6, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
If you watch how Celtic played under Ange -it was not with a traditional winger whose main job was to get crosses in - Jota played on both the left and right for Ange, with the idea of a quick player getting into the box and drawing defenders out of position.

It was with wide players who could run attacks, go 1v1, and retain possession high up the pitch. Then Kyogo in the middle to finish off attacks. We have plenty who can play the Kyogo role, of which Werner will be one, but none who can play the wide roles truly effectively. Werner isn’t the answer to that.

Mr Pink · Jan 6, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Or, and hear me out - Timo is the player we target now to play striker for a few years, and we are looking to bring in some younger players who will gradually replace Son, Timo, Richarlison, etc.

We have done very well in recruiting players who some might consider the "poor man's version" - Bentancur, Deki, Vicario come to mind immediately.

Yeah if Werner does well, definitely.

tototoner · Jan 6, 2024

Didn't see this coming but wanted him before he signed for Chelsea and a lot of players flop at that club ( for whatever reason) so I welcome him and he certainly improves our squad

mill · Jan 6, 2024

worcestersauce said:
Without wishing to be controversial and without wanting to have a pop at Richarlison I think it may not be a problem for a lot longer.
I'm really beginning to feel that Richarlison may be moved on in the summer.

Which imo is the right decision

allpaths · Jan 6, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Or, and hear me out - Timo is the player we target now to play striker for a few years, and we are looking to bring in some younger players who will gradually replace Son, Timo, Richarlison, etc.

We have done very well in recruiting players who some might consider the "poor man's version" - Bentancur, Deki, Vicario come to mind immediately.

Well unless his finishing ability has massively improved I hope he isnt our dream player. I do think he fits Ange's system like a glove, besides his final product.

wspur · Jan 6, 2024

I think I get why he had a bad time at Chelsea...

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