Snarfalicious
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There’s certain players who just look like they have “it.” This guy falls into that category for me. Unless he signs for someone else, then he is just “dogshit.”
Antonio Nusa
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E17yid
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He’s the opposite for me. He doesn’t really pass the eye test for me but I accept I’ve never seen this kid play a full game so wtf do I know.
He’s still only 18 so just a baby really but football at the top end is pretty cutthroat so while I’m sure he’s going to be given time he’s also going to need to show us signs he can hack it at this level.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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What is underwhelming? He concludes his video by saying his floor is basically a CL level player and his ceiling is a world class player (on the verge of being generational). I'll take that any day of the week!
I think he undersells his dribbling ability personally and these videos are very good because they are balanced and actually look at areas of weakness instead of just making out a player is perfect.
funkycoldmedina
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His ceiling is just the YouTubers opinion so that doesn't seem relevant to me.
He's 18, so there's a load of improvement in him but he doesn't look as tricky as I was expecting. Doku bamboozles players and that has translated at each level he's played. He seems more direct in his dribbling style and that could struggle at Premier league level. As I say he's 18 and if likes the raw materials he has I'm on board
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I've played against players like Doku though, and they take so long to get anywhere they beat you 1v1 2 twice in the same dribble, you tackle them on the 3rd go and you walk away with the ball and they walk away with a 66.6% take on statistic
Nick-TopSpursMan
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He has very quick feet and is very good at using body feints and stepovers to beat players. How that translates to the PL is tough to know but he's currently a very good dribbler and I think the youtuber undersells this aspect of his game.
Think of how dangerous Saka and Martinelli are for Scum. They are direct with their dribbling yet are two of the most dangerous wide players in the league. Same with Luis Diaz too.
Nusa is more naturally talented than any of those players when it comes to dribbling I'd say and just because he may not be Doku it doesn't mean he can't be extremely dangerous and a very skilled dribbler for us.
As I said, how he translates to the PL is the million dollar question but the fact Ange wants him reinforces my belief in his talent.
I think the thing that makes Nusa so good and potentially elite is the fact he has those creative elements mentioned in the video. Whilst he can get a bit head down at times (not uncommon for an 18 year old), he also has a lot of moments where he breezes past players with his head up. His football IQ is already better than a lot of established wingers.
Tucker
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Hard disagree. His floor is a player who doesn’t consistently contribute in the final third at Belgian league level. That is his current level.
It’s never a certainty that anyone develops beyond their current level.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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I was replying in the context of the video itself and it being underwhelming. The conclusion of the video was CL level player as a floor which is what I disagreed with when underwhelming was mentioned.
If he became a CL level player I wouldn't say he's underwhelming for example.
Guernman
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IMO we are gambling on a very promising young talent, with the expectation that he can develop into a player who can replace Son long term and bring a different skill set to the forward positions more in line with Ange's traditional approach
But he is only a kid, and very far from the finished product.
Even if he came now, realistically he isn't going to make anywhere near the impact we are hoping Werner will this season, so I am not bothered if he gets loaned back, as long as we can get the deal done.
What is exciting is that Nusa has a very broad skill set and seemingly the right attitude to keep learning. There are so many facets to his game that Ange can develop, but fans are going to have to show him more clemency than Johnson is currently enjoying, because he is very much a player for the future not now.
But he is only a kid, and very far from the finished product.
Even if he came now, realistically he isn't going to make anywhere near the impact we are hoping Werner will this season, so I am not bothered if he gets loaned back, as long as we can get the deal done.
What is exciting is that Nusa has a very broad skill set and seemingly the right attitude to keep learning. There are so many facets to his game that Ange can develop, but fans are going to have to show him more clemency than Johnson is currently enjoying, because he is very much a player for the future not now.
Ghost Hardware
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Worth keeping in mind that Pythagoras isn't necessarily always the best judge of talent and will primarily look at the stats and watch maybe one or two games max plus a bunch of highlight vids to create an opinion. He pretty much confirms this when talking about his long ball ability. Re Nusa specifically i do think he touches on some points that i mentioned earlier in this thread about his playmaking potential for a winger being a strong asset. But I also think he's being a bit overly harsh about his dribbling ability when taking into consideration his age.
I do think that some need to keep their expectations in check, he is a 18 year old winger who has a lot of potential but is still very raw. If he was at Neymar levels he would not be coming to us and he would not still be on the market. Also I wonder how much if any of Neymar Pythagoras saw when he was at Santos. TBH I never understood the comparison as Neymar is far more flashy a player who will constantly be trying to pull of some trick, that isn't Nusa. Yes Nusa might not be a Lamine Yamal level talent but that kid is 16 and already starting for Barca on occasion, hes probably the biggest young prodigy in world football currently ... again the comparison isn't really helpful.
Make no mistake Nusa has the potential to be a world class winger but needs a lot of development, like most 18 year old players. He has excellent natrually ability and just needs to refine a lot of his skills. Realistically it will be a couple of season's before he is at a level to contribute regularly so people putting him in their hypothetical first 11 for next season need to take a beat IMO. Thats not to say he can't make an impact as a sub but in general he is a work in progress... and he is 18!
Buying him would be a phenomenal addition but one that comes with * like all young players. He is one for the middle to long term not necessarily the short term.
Tucker
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It’s all potential though, people need to temper their expectations.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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Nice post mate.
What I would say about this is you're possibly right BUT it's hard to know how a talent will develop. As much as a young player can struggle or fail to develop, they can also explode especially when surrounded by good players and a good coach.
Re your last paragraph and the *, that's just common sense right. Anyone that watches football knows there are no certainties as so many things can wrong and if it was that easy there would never be any failures when it comes to transfers. We certainly shouldn't need to caveat this every time we like a player for example, none of us are nostradamus!
What I would say is every single elite team has been heavily scouting him and wants him. Ange wants him too and that should provide comfort to Spurs fans and tell them how much of a talent this kid is.
Mediocrates
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Baffled at those who say he doesn’t pass the eye test. Fascinating how perception works!
I’m gonna put someone else’s balls on the line and say this guy will end up being one of the best players in the world in 5-6 years barring injury.
I’m gonna put someone else’s balls on the line and say this guy will end up being one of the best players in the world in 5-6 years barring injury.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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Of course it's potential, he's 18 haha, there's loads that can happen during his development. The natural talent is there though and he is the profile of player simply don't have. That's what makes him so exciting (added to the fact pretty much every team wants him).
BehindEnemyLines
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People play far too much FIFA nowadays! I remember when we first bought Bale - he had a few injury problems, and there was the "Spurs have never won with Bale" hoodoo that oposition fans already threw at us........but.......even with the limited time he had playing during that period, you could see that he was special. There was just something about him and the way he played that just screamed out "jizz me up!" I think Nusa has that same certain something about him.
KirstyG
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Not a FIFA player personally
but it's just I think those videos look like quite a lot of promising players. I just wasn't enthralled like some are. I want to be absolutely proven wrong and want us to get a little diamond in the rough but I deliberately avoided videos at first as heard a lot in my 40+ years (eek!) but the comments made me want to take a look. It wasn't quite what I imagined. Good luck to him though, I hope he develops into a fantastic player (only with us though lol)Do they really? Why has no one bid(as far as I am aware)? I know there's a shortage of cash currently in Europe but they would find a way (they always do) of they believed his floor was CL and ceiling generational.
Trix
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Same thing is said when every highly rated young player moves. Kids in this bracket are always watched/monitored by a good number of higher profile sides and it's just a case of they don't move until they do. With any 18yo it's going to be somewhat of a gamble and it's waiting for a team to take that chance on them.
Nick-TopSpursMan
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He rejected Chelsea in the summer.
A lot of the other top teams are currently dealing with FFP issues and that's why this window is probably our one chance to get him.
