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Nebby

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Thing is I understand the balance of the deal not making it worthwhile. But we also may be kicking ourselves if a few years down the line we try and buy him for 80/90 mil. When we could have had him a lot cheaper.
£30m now is a huge gamble. £90m in four years might be a sure thing.
 

carpediem991

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Thing is I understand the balance of the deal not making it worthwhile. But we also may be kicking ourselves if a few years down the line we try and buy him for 80/90 mil. When we could have had him a lot cheaper.

He can only develop in a 80/90 mil player if he plays regulary and gets time to develop. And even then its far from a certainty. How many wonder kids haven't made the step up?

Just thinking how exciting Gelson Martins looked when we were linked to him. After lots of failed moves now playing somewhere in Greece just as an example.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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I just really wanted an attacker with a different profile - we seem to have a lack of creativity in one on one situations and too many that want to play on the shoulder. While only one attacking midfielder that specialises in through balls that suits that style.

Coupled with you fact that we will soon be needing to replace Son (after not really ‘replacing’ Kane - not that was ever going to be likely given his immeasurable talent!)

I guess that it can be argued that Solomon changes that profile - but jury is out on whether he can affect games to a great degree. Let’s hope he proves he can after his injury.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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I don't even think it's that. If money were an infinite resource, then yeah fine. It isn't though, and this was always about trying to future proof us to some extent in a position where we aren't short on bodies. It was a deal to be done at a specific price and that is all. I don't think it'll be a case of just moving on to the next player on the last for that position right now if I'm honest as I don't think it was a position we considered a priority right now, just a good opportunity while we had spending power others don't have.

I can see us looking at other options and trying to get something done now for someone but I'm not convinced it'll matter if it's LWF or not.

The problem is Sons time is coming to an end. I reckon we may get 1 more season out of him as a starter. He’s our only top class attacker.

I think we’ve already seen while he’s been away how poor we are in attack without him. On top of that we haven’t really replaced Kane (I don’t mean a direct replacement, I mean a quality attacker of any type).

If we don’t get quality attackers of the right type in very soon we’re going to be in big trouble in attack because without Sons quality we are bang average up there especially compared to the rest of our team.

I don’t see any of our current attackers stepping up massively either. Johnson MAY develop in to a good player but he’s still quite limited.
 

alfiemacdaddy

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If this was Dragusin I'd be fuming, as our desperate need this window was a CB. We however went on got one early. We also brought a forward in the shape of Timo Werner So the immediate business we needed to do we have done.

I liked the look of this kid, but at the same time he's far from the finished article. I had heard late on last week we were looking good on him, and we had most of the ducks lined up and it was just down to the detail(which 9 times out of 10 is a formality). Then what has happened happened, and WLB has spelt that out already. I had posted this bts but it wasn't concrete enough to post on the forum and what has happened is exactly why I don't break cover any more unless I'm sure.

With all transfers you have to take into account it's a gamble on whether it will work out or not, and in football that gamble has to be checked along side the cost. There has to be a cut off point where the balance tips and the value in taking that gamble is gone. The club believe the value is long gone now, and to be honest I make them right. For circa £20mil it's worth the punt, for £30mil it is not. Question now is do we look at one of the other young kids we have been enquiring about or do we keep our powder dry until the Summer?....... Could be either imo.

It's certainly a completely different feeling getting to the end of the window and being relaxed whilst posting about missing out on a target. Big well done to the club for that.
Nice post mate. We’re not playing football manager! Reading the comments on X from the usual muppet mob is mental…it’s like they define success as how much we spend and how many players we sign regardless of value, risk or suitability!
 

Trix

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The problem is Sons time is coming to an end. I reckon we may get 1 more season out of him as a starter. He’s our only top class attacker.

I think we’ve already seen while he’s been away how poor we are in attack without him. On top of that we haven’t really replaced Kane (I don’t mean a direct replacement, I mean a quality attacker of any type).

If we don’t get quality attackers of the right type in very soon we’re going to be in big trouble in attack because without Sons quality we are bang average up there especially compared to the rest of our team.

I don’t see any of our current attackers stepping up massively either. Johnson MAY develop in to a good player but he’s still quite limited.
Solomon nearly back, and Werner needs a few games to acclimatise and gel with his team mates. I said before he came in his movement is world class and on Friday that was beyond obvious. Problem was no one was looking for him to be in the area's and space he was finding for himself. A couple of games and some direction from Ange and they'll start to look for those runs and hit them.

LWF is not a priority right now regardless of Son's age and how long he has left.
 

KirstyG

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Still not going to get close to Brentford's offer for an 18yo with a handful of games under his belt in a substandard league. He has good potential but nothing more than that right now. When the price starts to move like it has there has to be a line drawn of what we will and will not pay. Wingers are very difficult to evaluate and so many of them look brilliant at a young age only to fall away quite sharply as the get worked out.
Reminds me of the clammour for Gift Orban, then poof and fairly poor season so far from him. You can never tell how these things will work out.
 

Ray Ray

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I know it's disappointing to not sign these types of players, but in all honesty, the amount that Brentford are paying for an 18yo with limited playing time is insane.

Realistically we have bigger needs in the squad in CM and possibly CF, and we only have finite resources so would it have meant missing out on top targets elsewhere if we signed him?

Also as we are now out of all the cups, we only have PL games left for the remainder of the season, so attacking options of Son, Kulu, Johnson, Solomon, Richy , Werner and Gil should be more than enough to get us through. Added to Madison and Lo Celso being able to offer more from deeper.

Let's just see where we are come the summer, as we will need to evaluate the squad for when we hopefully have some European competitions as well.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Solomon nearly back, and Werner needs a few games to acclimatise and gel with his team mates. I said before he came in his movement is world class and on Friday that was beyond obvious. Problem was no one was looking for him to be in the area's and space he was finding for himself. A couple of games and some direction from Ange and they'll start to look for those runs and hit them.

LWF is not a priority right now regardless of Son's age and how long he has left.

I also thought Werner’s movement was very good to be fair but he’s another player who’s quite limited on the ball and is best running away from it.

Until we address the lack of quality in possession in attack we’re going to have a ceiling we can’t get past imo. The rest of our team looks so good now but the attack just has a really poor balance to it and lack of quality imo and I think it will become more and more of a problem.

That said when Maddison etc are all back and fully fit I’m hoping that the lack of quality and balance is mitigated a bit by how good we will be everywhere else.

When everyone is back I wonder whether our best balanced attack may actually be Werner, Son and Kulusevski.
 

Styopa

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He can only develop in a 80/90 mil player if he plays regulary and gets time to develop. And even then its far from a certainty. How many wonder kids haven't made the step up?

Just thinking how exciting Gelson Martins looked when we were linked to him. After lots of failed moves now playing somewhere in Greece just as an example.

It’s also worth considering the case of someone like Maddison. We could have (and maybe should have) bought him earlier in his career, when he was at Norwich, for example, but we still bought him in the end at a decent price.

Who knows where Brentford will be in three or four years time and what Nusa’s situation will be by then. It’s not like because we have passed up the opportunity now that he will be forever out of our reach, even if he does come good.
 

Styopa

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Well the point certainly wasn’t to start spending irresponsibly on a kid that views us as a stepping stone.

I don’t think being seen as a stepping stone (if that is the way Nusa was viewing us) is much of a big deal. For us to become a stepping stone, Nusa would have to develop into a truly special player for us, over the course of two or three seasons at least.

During the last twenty years, about seven or eight players have left us to move onto better (or supposedly better) things. Off the top of my head: Carrick, Berbatov, Keane, Modric, Bale, Walker and Kane. Possibly you could say Eriksen too. And they were all generally fantastic for us while they were here, and most of them were here for several years.
 

Danny1

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Yep, that is a huge amount of money for a totally unproven 18 year old.
Let's see how he gets on at Brentford, he could be excellent or he could be the next 'wonderkid' that fails when they get to play mens football on a regular basis.
 

felmani26

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I fail to see how we can be surprised at Brugge's tactics of touting the player to all and sundry - we were told this from the outset so it's just feigned outrage to moan about it now.

Whichever way you want to cut it, it's hugely disappointing to miss out on this transfer as Nusa represents the exact skillset we lack currently and we will need to remedy this in the summer.
 

worcestersauce

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I fail to see how we can be surprised at Brugge's tactics of touting the player to all and sundry - we were told this from the outset so it's just feigned outrage to moan about it now.

Whichever way you want to cut it, it's hugely disappointing to miss out on this transfer as Nusa represents the exact skillset we lack currently and we will need to remedy this in the summer.
It's disappointing after we seemed to be so close but had we not bothered in the first place we'd be fine, it's not like the CB situation where we'd have been gutted if we'd got nobody in.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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Of course. So my question to you is should we buy all the young kids we have tracked like this at inflated values just in case?

Any thoughts on the fact we've lost out to Brentford though?

If we had lost out to a club that can afford to stockpile promising youth then it would make sense to me that it was too much of a gamble for us. But this transfer must be a far higher risk to Brentford than to us and they are a well run club so can't help but think there really is something special about this kid. Especially when they are willing to wait until summer when I'm sure they could use bodies through the door now.
 

Teegart

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Until we address the lack of quality in possession in attack we’re going to have a ceiling we can’t get past imo. The rest of our team looks so good now but the attack just has a really poor balance to it and lack of quality imo and I think it will become more and more of a problem.

Couldn’t agree more. We require that top 1v1 threat in our front line, and it’s glaringly obvious in some of our matches.

Every top team has one: City with Grealish, Doku and Foden; Liverpool with Diaz and Salah; Arsenal with Saka; Chelsea with Sterling; Brighton with Mitoma etc. It’s a vital string to our bow that’s missing.

Now that’s not to say Nusa is the only answer, far from it, but it’s the position I personally think requires high priority for the summer.
 

Styopa

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Any thoughts on the fact we've lost out to Brentford though?

If we had lost out to a club that can afford to stockpile promising youth then it would make sense to me that it was too much of a gamble for us. But this transfer must be a far higher risk to Brentford than to us and they are a well run club so can't help but think there really is something special about this kid. Especially when they are willing to wait until summer when I'm sure they could use bodies through the door now.

Just a thought, but we might be relaxed about attracting other comparable high profile youngsters, whereas Brentford might see this as an opportunity that doesn’t come around too often for a club of their size. So they might be more willing to gamble on it than we are.
 
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