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yido_number1

He'll always be magic
Jun 8, 2004
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Like most of the players he's better when the full team is available. Also his ball progression and work rate is under rated.

If I was the coaches I'd be working him hard on his right foot to give him more options when attacking. Also.quicker balls into the box
 

alfiemacdaddy

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Nov 26, 2011
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He’s only missed a couple of games through illness and been ever present whilst everyone else has been in and out. He’s clearly out of form and not himself but convinced he will come good again. As many have said he’ll perform better when he has a stable strong team around him and we play with more fluidity.
 

joey55

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May 20, 2005
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Deki is good player, but as a fan base we need to start aiming higher. We've spent decades being happy when we sign good players, at a young age, for a relatively low fee. But we've now got a huge modern stadium, a state of the art training ground, an international brand and FFP is really starting to kick in. So we have to start thinking about winning the title. Fas and media can bang on and on about systems and philosophies all they like, but at the end of the day, to win titles you need fantastic players, not good one's. Deki is a squad player at best, regardless of his current form. To win the title you need wide forwards that terrify the rest of the league.

There are so many ultra positive eulogies regarding Klopp atm, but last week, on one the Sky podscast things, Jamie Carragher was saying Klopp actualy wanted Julian Brandt and got over ruled and Liverpool bought Salah. WIthout Salah, no one gives a crap about the name Jurgen Klopp in Liverpool. He'd have left 5 years ago already. I know it's far easier said than done, but we need a Salah or a Mane, not a Deki. In fact our sliding doors moment is when we showed Mane around our training ground but couldn't get the deal done and Liverpool came in and did it. We'd probably have won the title with that little bit of extra pace and fire power. Instead we still talk about Lamela so fondly (i love Lamela.) Deki is a new Lamela. He's got plenty of talent, he works so hard, he's really likable, but he is never going totally shit the opposition up because they are terrified of his pace and finishing.

I'm all for spending money on exciting young talent for the future, but the reason I'm not at all bothered about missing out on Nusa or Vermeeren etc, is because I think right now we are close to being a really top team and probably lack just one or two genuienly top class, attacking players and therefore should throw everything at acquiring them in the summer, when the market conditions will never be better for us. Deki is a good player, but he just isn't a title winning wing forward or number 10. Son and Madders are good enough, but we need one or two (but that would be a striker and they are harder to find) more on that level.
 

Chinaspur

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Oct 1, 2005
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Deki is good player, but as a fan base we need to start aiming higher. We've spent decades being happy when we sign good players, at a young age, for a relatively low fee. But we've now got a huge modern stadium, a state of the art training ground, an international brand and FFP is really starting to kick in. So we have to start thinking about winning the title. Fas and media can bang on and on about systems and philosophies all they like, but at the end of the day, to win titles you need fantastic players, not good one's. Deki is a squad player at best, regardless of his current form. To win the title you need wide forwards that terrify the rest of the league.

There are so many ultra positive eulogies regarding Klopp atm, but last week, on one the Sky podscast things, Jamie Carragher was saying Klopp actualy wanted Julian Brandt and got over ruled and Liverpool bought Salah. WIthout Salah, no one gives a crap about the name Jurgen Klopp in Liverpool. He'd have left 5 years ago already. I know it's far easier said than done, but we need a Salah or a Mane, not a Deki. In fact our sliding doors moment is when we showed Mane around our training ground but couldn't get the deal done and Liverpool came in and did it. We'd probably have won the title with that little bit of extra pace and fire power. Instead we still talk about Lamela so fondly (i love Lamela.) Deki is a new Lamela. He's got plenty of talent, he works so hard, he's really likable, but he is never going totally shit the opposition up because they are terrified of his pace and finishing.

I'm all for spending money on exciting young talent for the future, but the reason I'm not at all bothered about missing out on Nusa or Vermeeren etc, is because I think right now we are close to being a really top team and probably lack just one or two genuienly top class, attacking players and therefore should throw everything at acquiring them in the summer, when the market conditions will never be better for us. Deki is a good player, but he just isn't a title winning wing forward or number 10. Son and Madders are good enough, but we need one or two (but that would be a striker and they are harder to find) more on that level.
Disagree completely with this. Deki is often the only out ball and makes it stick consistently. He’s crucial to the way we play, and hugely underrated.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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Disagree completely with this. Deki is often the only out ball and makes it stick consistently. He’s crucial to the way we play, and hugely underrated.
Indeed.

I'm seeing loads of calls right now for a lot of our players positions to be upgraded. It's just not the case, it's coaching and becoming familiar with how Ange wants us to play that is required, not new personnel. That doesn't mean we can upgrade here and there but it's not the reason we are struggling at times. We saw 15 minutes of pure brilliance last night when everything just clicked. It's a lack of consistency that is the problem and that will come the more they play with each other in this system and philosophy.

After 22 games Ange has amassed more points than Klopp and Arteta did after 22 games and the same number as Pep managed at the same point.
 
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Yantino

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Apr 28, 2012
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Yeah i don't agree with that opinion either. Kulu is, at times, unplayable. His ability to intercept and steal the ball is as good as anyone i've ever seen. Granted, he is very one footed, but he is also still very young and is only going to get better at knowing when to use his right foot.

He's a massive talent and I'm so glad we have him. It's obvious to me how much he influences the game when he's out with a knock - you can see it as clear as day. As mentioned above, he is usually our out ball as he finds such good positions.

As a fan he can be frustrating to watch sometimes and he could probably do with a rest, but he has all the ingredients to be world class IMO.
 

allatsea

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Aug 31, 2012
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Yeah i don't agree with that opinion either. Kulu is, at times, unplayable. His ability to intercept and steal the ball is as good as anyone i've ever seen. Granted, he is very one footed, but he is also still very young and is only going to get better at knowing when to use his right foot.

He's a massive talent and I'm so glad we have him. It's obvious to me how much he influences the game when he's out with a knock - you can see it as clear as day. As mentioned above, he is usually our out ball as he finds such good positions.
For me he is rather like our Dembele but with more to his game. He isn't as good as Dembele at keeping the ball but is superior at everything else.
 

spurs mental

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Mar 10, 2007
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Ah, I've missed the pile ins on Deki for a few weeks.

Funny how this thread stays quiet barring a handful of posts when he has a standard Deki 7/10 performance, while playing every minute available.

Comes back from illness and has two poor games and the knives come out.

Hes been one of our best since he joined the club.
 

BorjeSpurs

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Jun 29, 2007
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Ah, I've missed the pile ins on Deki for a few weeks.

Funny how this thread stays quiet barring a handful of posts when he has a standard Deki 7/10 performance, while playing every minute available.

Comes back from illness and has two poor games and the knives come out.

Hes been one of our best since he joined the club.
He's still 23 as well. The same age Son was during his first season at Spurs.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Jul 10, 2008
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The problem is his consistency. He goes through patches where he is almost unstoppable. His ability to steal possession is as good as anyone I’ve ever seen but he isn’t direct enough and needs to appreciate when he has half a yard and use his right peg sometimes.

It's almost as if he's like any other young player still developing and just going through patches of iffy form...
 

SpursSince1980

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Jan 23, 2011
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He just looks a little dead legged. Would not be surprised if when ill he had Covid. It can drag on for a while, and he could be sluggish as a result. He will be back to where he was before the illness by March.
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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Deki is good player, but as a fan base we need to start aiming higher. We've spent decades being happy when we sign good players, at a young age, for a relatively low fee. But we've now got a huge modern stadium, a state of the art training ground, an international brand and FFP is really starting to kick in. So we have to start thinking about winning the title. Fas and media can bang on and on about systems and philosophies all they like, but at the end of the day, to win titles you need fantastic players, not good one's. Deki is a squad player at best, regardless of his current form. To win the title you need wide forwards that terrify the rest of the league.

There are so many ultra positive eulogies regarding Klopp atm, but last week, on one the Sky podscast things, Jamie Carragher was saying Klopp actualy wanted Julian Brandt and got over ruled and Liverpool bought Salah. WIthout Salah, no one gives a crap about the name Jurgen Klopp in Liverpool. He'd have left 5 years ago already. I know it's far easier said than done, but we need a Salah or a Mane, not a Deki. In fact our sliding doors moment is when we showed Mane around our training ground but couldn't get the deal done and Liverpool came in and did it. We'd probably have won the title with that little bit of extra pace and fire power. Instead we still talk about Lamela so fondly (i love Lamela.) Deki is a new Lamela. He's got plenty of talent, he works so hard, he's really likable, but he is never going totally shit the opposition up because they are terrified of his pace and finishing.

I'm all for spending money on exciting young talent for the future, but the reason I'm not at all bothered about missing out on Nusa or Vermeeren etc, is because I think right now we are close to being a really top team and probably lack just one or two genuienly top class, attacking players and therefore should throw everything at acquiring them in the summer, when the market conditions will never be better for us. Deki is a good player, but he just isn't a title winning wing forward or number 10. Son and Madders are good enough, but we need one or two (but that would be a striker and they are harder to find) more on that level.

Salah wasn't particularly highly rated before Liverpool bought him. In fact he was seen as a bit of a joke in Italy for the amount of chance he would miss and how poor his finishing was. He was dangerous due to incredible pace and stamina and good dribbling, but he wasn't considered a top player at all.
 

jurgen11

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Hes been ill - if it was the man flu thing everyone seemed to have , most people were buggered for about 6 weeks - needs a rest for sure for he is still class
 

jordibwoy

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Salah wasn't particularly highly rated before Liverpool bought him. In fact he was seen as a bit of a joke in Italy for the amount of chance he would miss and how poor his finishing was. He was dangerous due to incredible pace and stamina and good dribbling, but he wasn't considered a top player at all.
His finishing was always in question but to say he wasn't highly rated I think is farfetched. He was definitely highly rated at Basel and his first stint in Serie A (was it Fiorentina, I believe), got the move to Chels but was still too raw there. Went on loan to Roma where he was generally very good, but like you say finishing was inconsistent (got plenty of chances, raw pace - would score but also miss some absolute sitters - kinda like Nunez). By the time he went Liverpool it was seen as a good signing. He's obviously went up another gear and found consistency in his finishing.

If anything, Mane was the one that was laughed at. Remember LVG wanted him at Utd the January before he signed for Liverpool and everyone laughed at Utd because no one rated Mane at 30 mil.

Back on topic:

Deki just needs to find real consistency in his game because when on it he offers so much for us. Even when off it you can't question his effort and commitment, really just his decision-making.
 

DannyNZ

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Jul 3, 2017
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Long term, he's probably Maddison's cover at CAM. Need Johnson to step up or a new winger to come in first though.
I really haven’t seen anything that suggests he’s suitable cover for Maddison. Can’t fault his effort or energy but the end product just isn’t there consistently, his almost total reliance on cutting onto his left foot is now known by every opposition team and until he trusts his right foot he’s pretty much just a workhors.
 

Twizzle

The Alpha Male
May 25, 2008
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great player but I wonder if wide attacker is his best position, he really does lack pace, he seems more at home playing centrally, but he'd only be a back up if he was

he was easily run down against Brentford

very strong player and rarely gets pushed off the ball, he has a great skill set and seems to like working in tight spaces and a great team player, so many positives for him, I cant help but wonder if wide attacker will be where he lays long term as Ange like pacy wide attackers

onions
 

Gilzeanking

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May 7, 2005
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Deki is good player, but as a fan base we need to start aiming higher. We've spent decades being happy when we sign good players, at a young age, for a relatively low fee. But we've now got a huge modern stadium, a state of the art training ground, an international brand and FFP is really starting to kick in. So we have to start thinking about winning the title. Fas and media can bang on and on about systems and philosophies all they like, but at the end of the day, to win titles you need fantastic players, not good one's. Deki is a squad player at best, regardless of his current form. To win the title you need wide forwards that terrify the rest of the league.

There are so many ultra positive eulogies regarding Klopp atm, but last week, on one the Sky podscast things, Jamie Carragher was saying Klopp actualy wanted Julian Brandt and got over ruled and Liverpool bought Salah. WIthout Salah, no one gives a crap about the name Jurgen Klopp in Liverpool. He'd have left 5 years ago already. I know it's far easier said than done, but we need a Salah or a Mane, not a Deki. In fact our sliding doors moment is when we showed Mane around our training ground but couldn't get the deal done and Liverpool came in and did it. We'd probably have won the title with that little bit of extra pace and fire power. Instead we still talk about Lamela so fondly (i love Lamela.) Deki is a new Lamela. He's got plenty of talent, he works so hard, he's really likable, but he is never going totally shit the opposition up because they are terrified of his pace and finishing.

I'm all for spending money on exciting young talent for the future, but the reason I'm not at all bothered about missing out on Nusa or Vermeeren etc, is because I think right now we are close to being a really top team and probably lack just one or two genuienly top class, attacking players and therefore should throw everything at acquiring them in the summer, when the market conditions will never be better for us. Deki is a good player, but he just isn't a title winning wing forward or number 10. Son and Madders are good enough, but we need one or two (but that would be a striker and they are harder to find) more on that level.
Wow, absolutely, excellent post. The difference between Joey/Ange and almost everyone else here is that he's aiming for the stars and sees a possible gap opening up in the next year or two. 'We don't need good players we need great ones' is exactly the point.

Others are just making angry responses because their favourite player is not being praised.

I would urge people to join Ange and Joey look up to the stars rather than a continuation of our top 4 maybe yes maybe no mentality. We really do have everything now except killer attackers.
 
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