whitechina
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TBHI love the guy. When he scores he makes me very very happy.
Whoever scores for us makes me very happy.
But then I'm not fussy
Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner
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Whoever scores for us makes me very happy.
But then I'm not fussy
ItsBoris
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100% spot on, and actually I thought Liverpool's game against City was a good illustration of the point you're making. And in fact Klopp's record against City is too. It's not a team of galacticos, it's a group of pretty good players with a ton of energy that functions exceptionally well as a system. Not many of them would get into City's XI but they still outplayed City.
So yeah for me it's about having the players with the right qualities for the roles, not necessarily superstars. I think one thing that will make recruitment pretty easy is that it seems as though Ange has a very clear idea of what kind of player he wants in each position.
From what I've seen the thing that holds Werner back more than anything is self-confidence. I think he has the skills just needs to believe in himself. If he can develop that mentality then he's worth keeping imo.
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For me I just LOVE when it's someone like Werner or Johnson who gets criticised a lot. In particular Werner for his finishing. His finish yesterday wasn't easy by any means and he found the side netting meaning Martinez had zero chance.
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We sold Perisic already and need to sell Gil. Son moves up top where he is best. That leaves..
Wide attack; Werner, Johnson, Soloman, Kulusevski + 1 more
Centre forward; Son, Richarlison, Veliz
That's probably the right amount for a European season. Especially when you consider the injury record of Soloman. This season has shown how much injuries can build up and there's more bench players these days. If we want to compete for titles we need a bench full of quality options. We can also sell Lo Celso and use Kulusevski as cover for Maddison.
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People talking about game time etc... whilst I get the sentiment I do think it's good to also be aware we're pretty much guaranteed to be in Europe next season (question is basically which competition). So we'll be in 4 competitions. Add to that the European competitions are getting expanded so that's even more games there. Then you look at our domestic cups and we went out pretty quickly in those... so point is hopefully we'll have the game time to give to these players.
Yesterday for example was Villa's 41st game of their season whilst we're gonna play a maximum of 41 games this season... so there's games to play for sure.
As for Werner specifically... I'd be very happy to keep him. He's come in, seems like a good fit both on and off the pitch. Give him a full pre-season where Ange can fully work with him and a fully fit squad and I'd be very happy with that. Could we get better? Maybe. Though I feel if we're gonna be spending money on deepening the squad I'd prefer to spend more on other areas. So a relatively cheap option here seems to make sense to me.
Yesterday for example was Villa's 41st game of their season whilst we're gonna play a maximum of 41 games this season... so there's games to play for sure.
As for Werner specifically... I'd be very happy to keep him. He's come in, seems like a good fit both on and off the pitch. Give him a full pre-season where Ange can fully work with him and a fully fit squad and I'd be very happy with that. Could we get better? Maybe. Though I feel if we're gonna be spending money on deepening the squad I'd prefer to spend more on other areas. So a relatively cheap option here seems to make sense to me.
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2 players for each position then 3 young or versatile players to cover more extreme circumstances is a very strong squad.
For the front 3 positions we currently have Son, Kulusevski, Johnson, Richarlison and Solomon. All are at a strage where they'll want to be playing football on at least a semi regular basis. So adding a 6th gives us a very strong set of options there especially when we have Veliz as the young backup.
Adding a 7th guarantees at least one player won't get any chance to play.
No one is saying we shouldn't have a strong squad, but you can overload a position.
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I think like others have said, you may be putting too much importance on Solomon. Injuries have obviously been a major factor but I don't really see him pushing ahead of any of these other guys.
I do, though, think that given the number of games possible to play that there will be a fair amount of rotation in our forward line to keep up with that, so 7 players may be a lot but not overwhelming. Not to mention that 7 also kinda assumes that Veliz will be playing more of a role next year as well. And whilst I think he'll get more playtime, I still think he'll be lower on the pecking order anyway.
So next season, I can see our main forward options being: Son, Johnson, Kulusevski, Werner, Veliz + 2 others. I think Richarlison will probably stay but I could see a world where he goes. Solomon I could see a world where we try and make a profit out of him.
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I don't think it's about putting importance onto Solomon. I've said several times I have no idea about this player.
But I am hoping we bought him because he has the ability and playing style to offer us something. Coming back to being 7th choice is as good as telling him he has no career here.
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Let's be real , Werner has done more than Soloman did in his initial games. Now obviously it's harsh for Soloman but he has injury history as well so it's a concern. I don't mind having him as an extra body for depth but we can't count on him to be fit next season. We need 2 attackers in the summer so signing one who is already bedded in makes sense. Werner over Soloman and Gil all day long and we already sold Perisic. It seems a pretty easy decision in truth.
Disagree. To win titles and champions leagues you absolutely need special players.
players who can do something out of nothing in the big tight games.
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One thing I noticed that endeared me to him more than anything is how happy he was to score for us this weekend.
We need players that above all else love the club and love the fans, this always goes a long way in their performances and effort too.
We need players that above all else love the club and love the fans, this always goes a long way in their performances and effort too.
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By the end of the season he should return atleast 10+ G/A combined, that alone makes him a no brainer at this point.
You have clubs spending double that for players that have a lower return in terms of G/A.
Solomon and Gil out, Werner + another in and we've significantly strengthened the LW position for next season.
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We did not really "buy" him - we got him on a free.
If it works, great. If it does not work, we can move him on at no loss. Sometimes it's about talent, and sometimes it's about availability. To make it in this league - you need to have both.
And, if we end up with 1 too many talented players - then we have the luxury of being able to sell a player that other teams want. We have not had that luxury very often.
Kingellesar
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You won't find a better experieced player who can cover two positions for the fee we can get him. He came in and was asked to do a job right away, he's been decent so far. I like his attitude. He could be really useful as a bench player against teams who come at us for 50/60 minutes and then get tired, his pace will cause them teams a lot of problems.
Personally would sign him and move on Gil and if needed Solomon but we will have more games next season so we will need 6 or 7 forward players. So Solomon could be the 7th if needed.
Personally would sign him and move on Gil and if needed Solomon but we will have more games next season so we will need 6 or 7 forward players. So Solomon could be the 7th if needed.
tooey
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Not just to complement Son but somebody to step in once Son leaves/hanga up his boots. Son himself is 31 and whilst he's still top quality he's definitely lost half a yard from 4/5 years ago.
Should have 3 assists, cannot for the life of me understand why the first goal against brentford wasn’t an assist credited to him other than a deflection on the shot which has nothing to do with the pass… completely agree on the rest, has to be signed permanently
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Yeh it's the block from the initial shot by Udogie. It sucks but thems the rules.
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We had special players like Kane and Bale but won nothing. It's more about the overall squad quality. Not relying on one special player but having threats from various positions. One reason we fell short was because teams knew if they stop Kane they often stop us.
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