Player Watch Player Watch: Yves Bissouma

Nick-TopSpursMan · Mar 17, 2024

I’ve been a big fan of Bissouma but I think I agree with others now that we need better. He’s just not consistent enough and at his age he should be showing that by now.

What we really need is someone like Wanyama, who was absolutely superb defensively and so strong but also much better on the ball than given credit for. Ideally we want someone with that defensive nous and strength but also good ball playing qualities.

So hard to find a player of this calibre but that’s what we need.

lincspurs · Mar 17, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
I’ve been a big fan of Bissouma but I think I agree with others now that we need better. He’s just not consistent enough and at his age he should be showing that by now.

What we really need is someone like Wanyama, who was absolutely superb defensively and so strong but also much better on the ball than given credit for. Ideally we want someone with that defensive nous and strength but also good ball playing qualities.

So hard to find a player of this calibre but that’s what we need.

Palhinha??

funkycoldmedina · Mar 17, 2024

rossdapep said:
I think Bissouma is one of those players who is brilliant on his day but really lacks consistency to be part of a successful 11, in the 6 especially.

I recall Brighton fans saying the same about him and that he would disappear at times.

I think Ange sees both him and Bentancur as an 8 or 1 in a double pivot but we don't have anyone better as a 6.

Bissouma can be great at beating a press with his body but can get careless and doesn't have that pass in him to take out the next line.

Bentancur does but isn't the best defensively in that role either.

You saw how Paulinha played today, he was across to everything.

He is obviously playing a slightly different role at Fulham than he would for us but a player like that can prevent so many attacks.

Today, we were far too easy to play through. 2-3 passes and already in a dangerous position. It is one of the downsides to Ange's system but it would be limited if we had a more effective 6.

You can see why we want Archie Gray or Zubimendi.

I think when we get a true 6, Bentancur will be first pick (if he gets back to his best) with Sarr as the 8 and Bissouma will settle for the Hojbjerg role of just filling in.

This for me sums it up perfectly. We need someone elite in that position everything falls into place after that. The difference Rodri makes to Man City, who play a similar system is palpable. You can't shoehorn in a player with 75% of the attributes. Bissouma and Hojbjerg have 75% of the attributes.

funkycoldmedina · Mar 17, 2024

lincspurs said:
Palhinha??

He was outstanding yesterday, MoM for my money.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 17, 2024

lincspurs said:
Palhinha??

He’s 28, turns 29 in summer, and will cost a pretty penny. Very good player but we need younger.

whenstevewentup · Mar 17, 2024

whenstevewentup said:
Sell him , attitude stinks and poor mentality . There’s a reason he came to us and only cost £28m

The guy has let us down too many times this season , u can’t have a player like that who is constantly turning over posession so frequently , losing his runners so frequently and playing so inconsistently. In Anges system his role is in the top 3 most important and I don’t see how we can keep him .

Mr Pink · Mar 17, 2024

Ghost Hardware said:
He’s 28, turns 29 in summer, and will cost a pretty penny. Very good player but we need younger.

But we need some experience, helps instill the mentality we need in a crucial area of the pitch.....rubs off on others and sets the tone

The biggest problem last night was Bissouma's slopiness and poor mentality. Just looked like he wasnt fully up for it and the rest of the team looked sloppy as a result.

Cochise · Mar 17, 2024

Our defence has been left exposed all year. Personnel and system are an issue, but even when we are set in a block we look easy to get through compared to other sides.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 17, 2024

Mr Pink said:
But we need some experience, helps instill the mentality we need in a crucial area of the pitch.....rubs off on others and sets the tone

The biggest problem last night was Bissouma's slopiness and poor mentality. Just looked like he wasnt fully up for it and the rest of the team looked sloppy as a result.

Palhinha only just recently signed a contract extension until 28 and he’s supposedly valued at around £50-60 mil supposedly. There is zero chance we pay that for a 29 year old. It’s just not the way we operate.

kendoddsdadsdogsdead · Mar 17, 2024

djhotspur said:
The 6 is so key in our formation, we need better. We need a proper press resistant player who can mop up defensively. So many times yesterday he took bad touches putting us into trouble
The 3rd goal to he physically looks at the guy running passed him who scored and doesn’t move…I do not understand

He definitely is press resistant. Teams don’t really press him now so much, so that part of his game is not being highlighted. I think because he has more time on the ball he’s getting a bit slack with his touch.

It’s further up the pitch, pressure resistance is hit and miss. Son, Johnson, kulu all cough up the ball to easily either by holding onto it too long or not dealing with physicality well. Sons touch goes all over the place when the games s bit more combative.

you wouldn’t find a 6 that can mop up the gaps we left yesterday. Sarr, Maddison, Porro and Udogie in particular all got caught so far ahead of the ball. Udogie is normally part of the build up defensively but his starting position when we had the ball seemed much higher.

keithtighe93 · Mar 17, 2024

Sell.

Poor positioning, poor passing, poor effort

ajspurs · Mar 17, 2024

kendoddsdadsdogsdead said:
He definitely is press resistant. Teams don’t really press him now so much, so that part of his game is not being highlighted. I think because he has more time on the ball he’s getting a bit slack with his touch.

It’s further up the pitch, pressure resistance is hit and miss. Son, Johnson, kulu all cough up the ball to easily either by holding onto it too long or not dealing with physicality well. Sons touch goes all over the place when the games s bit more combative.

you wouldn’t find a 6 that can mop up the gaps we left yesterday. Sarr, Maddison, Porro and Udogie in particular all got caught so far ahead of the ball. Udogie is normally part of the build up defensively but his starting position when we had the ball seemed much higher.

Fully agree. There were multiple issues other than a better 6 that resulted in way too many gaps being formed.

Man City also play with openings in their defence, but when they lose the ball they are so well positioned to press and win it back as soon as possible, or at least press enough to nullify potential attacks. When we lose the ball it's just open season. 8 players all caught too far forward, some desperately now trying to get back, some jogging, but ultimately it all being too tough a task to now prevent a dangerous attack.

When we're not good enough to execute the way we want to play, it looks so naive. Obviously there is strong hope that this will lessen as we improve as a side, but I still really wish we made just 1 or 2 minor tweaks to not have us so vulnerable to attacks.

I can't help but to think we may see a similar performance to this at St James' Park with the wide players that Newcastle have.

kendoddsdadsdogsdead · Mar 17, 2024

ajspurs said:
Fully agree. There were multiple issues other than a better 6 that resulted in way too many gaps being formed.

Man City also play with openings in their defence, but when they lose the ball they are so well positioned to press and win it back as soon as possible, or at least press enough to nullify potential attacks. When we lose the ball it's just open season. 8 players all caught too far forward, some desperately now trying to get back, some jogging, but ultimately it all being too tough a task to now prevent a dangerous attack.

When we're not good enough to execute the way we want to play, it looks so naive. Obviously there is strong hope that this will lessen as we improve as a side, but I still really wish we made just 1 or 2 minor tweaks to not have us so vulnerable to attacks.

I can't help but to think we may see a similar performance to this at St James' Park with the wide players that Newcastle have.

Think the full backs and Sarr were taking liberties when we didn’t have a proper foothold in the game. We needed a spell of dominance before they started abandoning a more defensive starting position imo.

I had a feeling yesterday would be a difficult game. Tight pitch, against a team that were quick and aggressive into challenges, touch and 1 v 1 ability need to be on it. Think we’ll do better at Newcastle as we’ll have a bit more space to play in although there front three could cause us problems

Mr Pink · Mar 17, 2024

Ghost Hardware said:
Palhinha only just recently signed a contract extension until 28 and he’s supposedly valued at around £50-60 mil supposedly. There is zero chance we pay that for a 29 year old. It’s just not the way we operate.

I didnt mean him per se, just think we need experience in that area of the park.

Mentality and decision making so important in there. And those two things go hand in hand.

ultimateloner · Mar 17, 2024

We shouldn't give up on him. A DM that can beat a press; not many players can do that.

ajspurs · Mar 17, 2024

kendoddsdadsdogsdead said:
Think the full backs and Sarr were taking liberties when we didn’t have a proper foothold in the game. We needed a spell of dominance before they started abandoning a more defensive starting position imo.

I had a feeling yesterday would be a difficult game. Tight pitch, against a team that were quick and aggressive into challenges, touch and 1 v 1 ability need to be on it. Think we’ll do better at Newcastle as we’ll have a bit more space to play in although there front three could cause us problems

So do I, but it's what they're instructed to do at the same time so I don't pin it all on them personally. We on occasion can be way too careless with the ball have so many forward when attacking.

Yeah I knew it would be too. Honestly don't think I've ever seen us play really fluid football at Craven Cottage, just feels like one of those grounds where the games will always be a bit gritty. Similar to Goodison Park. I too think we'll look better at St James Park, but I also fear Gordon and Almiron having way too much space in behind.

ultimateloner said:
We shouldn't give up on him. A DM that can beat a press; not many players can do that.

Absolutely. Don't agree with the calls to sell him at all. If he has a season next year performing like this all season long, it may be a different story. Even if he's not seen as a starter, he's a good player to have as an option in games where we need to rotate or fill in for an injury.

Really needs to start believing in himself again though.

Rout-Ledge · Mar 17, 2024

I wouldn’t sell him but if we go into next season relying on him and Skipp in that CDM position then we are setting ourselves up to fail again.

Wonderkid · Mar 17, 2024

On the ball, it feels like he's playing like he did under Conte, with much less freedom and confidence. His ball distribution and decisions are restricted, with far fewer take ons or line breaking passes. Even in the games against teams that have sat deep, he's been very passive compared to earlier in the season. Playing like a water carrier just seems like such a waste of his ability, and he's not really good enough positionally or defensively to make up for it.

I always fear a mistake when the ball is played to him slightly away from his body, rather than moving towards the ball, he seems to kind of casually dangle out a leg to control it and too many times misses it or takes a bad touch.

ebzrascal · Mar 17, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
I’ve been a big fan of Bissouma but I think I agree with others now that we need better. He’s just not consistent enough and at his age he should be showing that by now.

What we really need is someone like Wanyama, who was absolutely superb defensively and so strong but also much better on the ball than given credit for. Ideally we want someone with that defensive nous and strength but also good ball playing qualities.

So hard to find a player of this calibre but that’s what we need.

You are correct had high hopes for him but mentality seems to be lacking.. has not had a great game since before the Luton away game

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 17, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
I’ve been a big fan of Bissouma but I think I agree with others now that we need better. He’s just not consistent enough and at his age he should be showing that by now.

What we really need is someone like Wanyama, who was absolutely superb defensively and so strong but also much better on the ball than given credit for. Ideally we want someone with that defensive nous and strength but also good ball playing qualities.

So hard to find a player of this calibre but that’s what we need.

Only player I can think of that isn't really similar to Wanyama but just as talented in his own way is Camavinga but we're never signing a player of that caliber from Madrid.

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