midoshairband
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can't wait for the excuses to roll in after the latest pathetic display.
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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fishhhandaricecake
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Could be an interesting idea although we absolutely need to be signing a top class striker like Isak level this summer as when Richy is injured and son is against a low block we look toothless.
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1) Had loads of injuries and players only come back can't be expected to be in form, not his fault
2) It's a season of transition, we'll learn from this, the system will get better
3) We'll make signings in the summer and improve.
We had better performances when we had a heap of injuries
fishhhandaricecake
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Well I think simply we push so many so far and high up there is just a huge space in the middle and behind our defence so it looks like we have no midfield at times on transition as the tactics are very gung ho.
funkycoldmedina
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He never brings out excuses, that's not his style.
Newcastle are good a example though of letting Ange work through this patch. For a good portion of the season around Xmas and until a few weeks ago, Newcastle were rotten and Howe's neck was on the block but he's worked through it and they're on the up again.
Newcastle are good a example though of letting Ange work through this patch. For a good portion of the season around Xmas and until a few weeks ago, Newcastle were rotten and Howe's neck was on the block but he's worked through it and they're on the up again.
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Irregardless, this is not acceptable when we're going for more than 4th, according to Ange.
funkycoldmedina
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So what do you suggest? Change the system? Get rid of the manager? He has to stick to his principles and not paper over cracks. He needs different players and this run is exposing where we need them.
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The same set of players was unbeaten in 8 games earlier on in the season.
But the system has been worked out and defensively we have gotten worse as the season has worn on. We have 1 clean sheet in 13 games and concede goals for fun.
I'm not saying change the system or paper over the cracks, but make some tweaks to it. We are so naive and the football lately hasn't even been good to watch.
funkycoldmedina
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There aren't many tweaks to make, we don't have the kind of DM or striker the system requires
spurs mental
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Case in point if we don't have the players for the system then do something different.
We are conceding ridiculous goals every week.
fishhhandaricecake
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I suppose Ange would say his tactics have brought him success by doing the same thing over and over again across different leagues and countries
But being serious today has been poor as have a few of our away games especially lately.
As I said in the match thread, 3 things:
1. Ange has to take some blame for the tactics being exposed and imo moreso for continuing to play Biss, Maddison etc who are out of form.
2. We lack quality in attack, Werner so wasteful, Son no good as a striker against a back 5 or low block, no n.o6 CDM playing well at the moment
3. The team is still very young and early in Ange’s reign. VDV,Udogie and Johnson for example are 22 so are no where near finished articles just yet.
Overall I still think if we finish 5th Ange has done a great job this season all things considered, also as Melbourne manager and In Japan and in Celtic it was always Ange’s 2nd season that was really good, his first season always had ups and downs, that being said we HAVE to get Ange a good 5-6 signings this summer and make sure 2 of them are world class attackers, but even so there is something to be said that Ange might need to tweak his tactics slightly as at this very high level the gung ho ultra high line etc does seem to get exposed quite a bit.
So disappointing day today and disappointing form recently and the next few games might also be pretty rough but I think step back and have some perspective we’re still going in the right direction if you take the season as a whole.
funkycoldmedina
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That's not how Klopp, Guardiola or for that matter Atreta built their teams. They were uncompromising about their system
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We have gone all in on Ange, he needs to be given time. We won’t know if this was a mistake until well into next season.
fishhhandaricecake
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Long term that’s not the right approach. System first players 2nd.
See Klopp, Pep etc.
spurs mental
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That's fine but Klopp and Pep constantly tweak their systems too. They've both changed it up in the last 2 seasons alone.
We are so naive it's outrageous
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I think my issue is the long term potential of playing with two fullbacks so high up the pitch all the time. Even if we have the best player for every position, is that a setup that we can get away with to be at the level we wish to be at?
I can accept losses like these in our development, as frustrating as they are, but at the moment I'm really wondering if we're persisting with something that is just too open.
I can accept losses like these in our development, as frustrating as they are, but at the moment I'm really wondering if we're persisting with something that is just too open.
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Look, Ange has been a breath of fresh air on the most part, but that does not mean he cannot be criticised. His philosophy on the whole is great, but he has to adapt. He cannot continue to have a single style with no alternative regardless of opponent.
They have to review the goals against because so often the same mistakes are made. It’s not about changing his philosophy. It’s about coaching players on minimising risk and decision making.
Take the first goal. A lot are putting it on centre backs, but it’s not. firstly decision making around the box needs to improve. We often play it to the man (son in this case) who’s under pressure and lose it leading to a turnover. Teams have learnt that if the turn the ball over in these situations, leaving players up will give them a numerical advantage. The biggest issue for me in the first goal is Udogies position. He is in no man’s land. Hes not in attack and he is not defending. He gives Anthony Gordon 10 yards start. That’s the root cause of the goal. If Udogies position is better, the goal doesn’t happen.
Ange doesn’t have to change philosophy, he just needs to coach better. He has to drill positional phases of play into these players. The fact we repeat the same mistakes is becoming unacceptable.
They have to review the goals against because so often the same mistakes are made. It’s not about changing his philosophy. It’s about coaching players on minimising risk and decision making.
Take the first goal. A lot are putting it on centre backs, but it’s not. firstly decision making around the box needs to improve. We often play it to the man (son in this case) who’s under pressure and lose it leading to a turnover. Teams have learnt that if the turn the ball over in these situations, leaving players up will give them a numerical advantage. The biggest issue for me in the first goal is Udogies position. He is in no man’s land. Hes not in attack and he is not defending. He gives Anthony Gordon 10 yards start. That’s the root cause of the goal. If Udogies position is better, the goal doesn’t happen.
Ange doesn’t have to change philosophy, he just needs to coach better. He has to drill positional phases of play into these players. The fact we repeat the same mistakes is becoming unacceptable.
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Also think it's fairly evident that the rebuild last summer was just the start. A lot of these players need to go, need to be benched, replaced etc. Even if we decide next season that Ange isn't the man (he will, and should, get a lot more time), the general style of football is going to be kept, so the players/targets oughta remain the same
It's far deeper than that. We're embarrassingly easy to set up against. A tactically competent manager and a group of good-enough players can completely nullify us.
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Their systems don't involve leaving 2 CB's to defend for their life.
Also, Klopp changed his system when he left Dortmund and Pep has also changed his system a few times whilst at City.
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