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£375 MILLION paper loss! Joe Lewis burned by Bear Stearns crash!

yanno

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/mar/14/joelewis.bearstearns

Some you win, some you lose. That's speculation. And there aren't many bigger speculators out there than Bahamas-based Joe "the Boxer" Lewis, the legendary British currency trader who is estimated to be sitting on paper losses of $750m (£375m) following his counter-intuitive punt last autumn on troubled Bear Stearns.

Among its "big five" investment banking peer group on Wall Street, Bear Stearns was well known as having the largest exposure to sub-prime mortgages. And when the US housing market began to tumble, its shares quickly followed. Despite the stock having lost a quarter of its value in four months, Lewis invested £425m to take an 8% stake last September.
It was a bold move to call the bottom of the sub-prime crisis, from one of the canniest and most influential traders in the world. But he could not have been more wrong.

Lewis had not caused that much of a stir since he teamed up with a pack of speculators, including George Soros, to bet on the pound crashing out of the European exchange rate mechanism - which it did 15 years ago.

Black Wednesday, in 1992, cost the Treasury an estimated £3.4bn and generated fortunes for the Bahamas-based currency trader and the others. Some even maintain the rags-to-riches British tax exile scooped more than Soros.
Now 70 years old, Lewis is best known in the UK for having taken interests in Tottenham Hotspur and Rangers football clubs. Last month reports emerged that he was the mystery buyer who had built a 7% stake in British bookmaker Ladbrokes. Conducting operations from his Bahamas mansion - with currency trading screens in almost every room - he guards his privacy meticulously.

"He doesn't like to talk to people," his daughter Vivienne once explained. "It aggravates him." Aware of the value he puts on his privacy, few within the currency trading world will talk openly about Lewis, known to many as the Boxer after his near-namesake, heavyweight champion Joe Louis.
In a rare interview nine years ago, he told the New York Times: "One of the rewards of your success is the quiet enjoyment of it. Being on the front page of newspapers doesn't allow that."

That quiet determination, however, has served him well. "You don't get to be a wise old guy in the FX [foreign exchange] market without being a real shrewdie," said one senior City figure who used to do business with him. "Not many can survive that long."

Lewis, who retains something of his Cockney accent, was born above the Roman Arms pub in Bow, in the heart of London's East End, and left school at 15 to help run Tavistock Banqueting, his father's West End catering business, starting out as a waiter.

For a time, it hosted a lot of masonic functions before expanding in the 70s to target American tourists, laying on a high-kitsch "medieval banqueting" experience. Also working for Tavistock was Robert Earl, who, with Lewis's backing, later went on to develop the themed restaurant idea into the Hard Rock Cafe and Planet Hollywood franchises.

Entrepreneurial zeal made Lewis a multimillionaire when he sold the family catering business in 1979, relocating to the Bahamas. But instead of resting on his laurels, he reinvented himself as a currency trader and made hugely successful bets not only against the pound in 1992, but also against the Mexican peso three years later. It was these jackpots that signalled to the world that Lewis was a lot more than a retired British leisure magnate lazing in the sun.

Quite how he developed such trading aptitude is not clear, but testimony to his powers can be found in the fortunes amassed by his many proteges. They include the Monaco-based Englishman Michael Tabor as well as Irishmen JP McManus, Dermot Desmond and John Magnier - best known as former Manchester United investors.

Outside the currency world, Lewis's fortune is put to work through Tavistock Group, a private equity business named after his father's catering firm and run out of his second home, a mansion in a Florida gated community which is itself another Lewis investment.

Lewis's total wealth is impossible to assess, particularly his fortune from currency trading. He was named the richest man in Britain in the mid-90s (despite his tax exile status), and estimates this year put his fortune at £2.8bn.

In the UK his chief lieutenant is Daniel Levy, best known as the controversial chairman at Tottenham Hotspur. Levy, the son of the Mr Byrite discount clothing chain founder, has used his sponsor's backing to build a name in the City, pursuing some well-timed investments. Other not-so-successful investments include aborted attempts to take over Christie's, the auction house, Victor Chandler, the offshore bookmaker, and Wembley stadium.

There has always been media interest around the football investments but Lewis has shown little interest in the sport. His preference is for tennis, sailing and golf, where he sponsors the Tavistock Cup. His golfing friends include Tiger Woods - whom he once partnered after paying £1.4m at a charity auction for the privilege - Ernie Els and fellow tax exile Sean Connery.

Lewis remains fit, playing off a handicap of 12 or 13. He is said, on occasion, to leave his younger executives breathless as he hops from fairway to tennis court.
 

yanno

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Fook! £375 million lost on a bad bet.

And earlier today I was predicting Man Utd would be the first to die as the Glazers were burnt by the collapsing financial markets...
 

sloth

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Fook! £375 million lost on a bad bet.

And earlier today I was predicting Man Utd would be the first to die as the Glazers were burnt by the collapsing financial markets...
The difference of course being that the Glazers mortgaged the club almost to it's entire value to buy it, whereas Lewis simply bought us and as a result we, thankfully, have no debt.
 

yanno

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The difference of course being that the Glazers mortgaged the club almost to it's entire value to buy it, whereas Lewis simply bought us and as a result we, thankfully, have no debt.

Correct.

However, a lot of American traders and economists think Bear Stearns is toast, "America's Northern Rock", and its shareholders will get next to nothing. So, Joe Lewis' "paper" losses could rapidly become "real" losses.

The good news is that Lewis doesn't directly own Spurs.

Whereas the Glazers "own" Man Utd, so once their debts get called, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rio Ferdinand et al may be available at firesale prices which will make Leeds Utd look like a well-managed company... :grin:
 

sloth

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Correct.

However, a lot of American traders and economists think Bear Stearns is toast, "America's Northern Rock", and its shareholders will get next to nothing. So, Joe Lewis' "paper" losses could rapidly become "real" losses.

The good news is that Lewis doesn't directly own Spurs.

Whereas the Glazers "own" Man Utd, so once their debts get called, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rio Ferdinand et al may be available at firesale prices which will make Leeds Utd look like a well-managed company... :grin:

£375m is a hell of a lot of money, but his fortune's estimated in the billions. It'll be a while before he starts selling off his assets I'd say. And even if he does and we're one of them we'll just be a club on the market instead of an investment in negative equity as may happen in the Utd case. In truth though Utd will be alright, it's the Glazer's who'll go down, Utd will just be a tasty propsition for any billionaire should there be a forced fire-sale.
 

yanno

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In truth though Utd will be alright, it's the Glazer's who'll go down, Utd will just be a tasty propsition for any billionaire should there be a forced fire-sale.

It depends who's still standing once the system has come crashing down.

It was highly amusing that the oil rich potentates of Dubai International Capital recently refused to lend any more cash to Citibank (even at 14% interest rates), but did still want to buy Liverpool FC.

It shows how totally spooked the markets are when a football club is considered a sounder investment than an investment bank... :eek:mg::eek:mg:
 

orkneyspur

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So, following that loss, he only has £3 BILLION left.Eek
£3,000,000,000 I think that is. That's a lot of THFC's.
No wucking furries.
 

rulocal

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I really must concentrate on work more as when the Bear Stearns rumours started going round at work earlier in the week, all I could think of was poor Mr Lewis. However, as mentioned above it is like any of us normal folk dropping a ton at Cheltenham.
 

Houdini

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Joe Lewis is estimated to be worth $3billion.......thats Dollars, not £s!
 

stemark44

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What an absolute plonker he is,if he had invested the money in Spurs we would be the Kings of Europe and the Premiership and be the greatest team on the planet!
 

N10toN17

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So he's not interested in football? That's just great. Nothing like having a completely dis interested owner.
 

striebs

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It depends who's still standing once the system has come crashing down.

It was highly amusing that the oil rich potentates of Dubai International Capital recently refused to lend any more cash to Citibank (even at 14% interest rates), but did still want to buy Liverpool FC.

It shows how totally spooked the markets are when a football club is considered a sounder investment than an investment bank... :eek:mg::eek:mg:

Snippets like that might persuade me to start reading the newspapers again !

Rags to riches storys like Lewis' are inspirational but FX looks like wanton usary and I can't see what good it does society as a whole .

No matter how hard most of use work and feel we are wasting our time the sights on Sport Relief last night put it all into perspective .
 

N10toN17

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Explain?

In my eyes thats much better than people like Glazers n Hicks pretending to love it...

You need an explanation? :wink:

Alright then, I'd ideally like somebody who owns our club, a) to be interested in the game of football. b) because they're interested in football, to support Spurs and therefore have a passion and love of the game and the Spurs. Will that do?
 

SpurSince57

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That's how I feel, too. Unfortunately, club owners/chairmen who have a genuine passion seem to be a dying breed, certainly at the top end.

Perversely, Scholar was (and presumably still is) a huge Spurs fan. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of our history and I've heard (although this may be bullshit) that he actually trialled for us as a schoolboy. Unfortunately, this didn't stop him taking us to the edge of oblivion.
 

nidge

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According to papers this morning (although I can't remember which one, it was mentioned on the Andrew Marr show on BBC this morning) Lewis has lost closer to $1billion. Eek

And then the wild leap is made that Spurs maybe sold in an attempt to ofset the lose.
 

Flatters

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Just put the TV on and they mentioned it on The Andrew Marr Show. They said we might get sold and laughed and said it's always good for them to see people with lots of money lose lots of it or something.
 

Johnspur

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Yea I just saw this on tv, how much of an effect will this have on the club?

I don't understand this kinda stuff. :oops:
 
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