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[EQP]

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[nferno]

Means we could get two sets of top quality wingbacks and genuinely keep all 4 happy in terms of playing time.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Makes it even more important to get quality in... our depth is not good enough at the moment. City, Liverpool, Chelsea and so on have two starting 11's of high quality.

 

[whitechina]

We need two quality players for every position just to keep pace with other clubs.
The summer is even more important now for recruitment
Gawd I hope Conte stays and we match his ambition

 

[slartibartfast]

Truly fucking stupid idea. Can these twats just once try and come up with something that doesn't just benefit the richest clubs?
They're systematically killing competition, the dream that someday your team can be the best or actually win something.
Its claimed the EPL is so popular because on any given day anyone can beat anyone. Well this will go some way to stopping that.
Honestly what will be the point of watching football oncethis and the new cl qualifying laws come in?
They'll kill the golden goose before long and people will lose interest.
What happened to having to pick your best 11 to win a game and having to make good tactical substitutions. Now you'll be able to fuck it up completely and then change half the outfield players!
Ridiculously shit idea imo.

 

['O Zio]

Truly fucking stupid idea. Can these twats just once try and come up with something that doesn't just benefit the richest clubs?
They're systematically killing competition, the dream that someday your team can be the best or actually win something.
Its claimed the EPL is so popular because on any given day anyone can beat anyone. Well this will go some way to stopping that.
Honestly what will be the point of watching football oncethis and the new cl qualifying laws come in?
They'll kill the golden goose before long and people will lose interest.
What happened to having to pick your best 11 to win a game and having to make good tactical substitutions. Now you'll be able to fuck it up completely and then change half the outfield players!
Ridiculously shit idea imo.

Those are the fears people have raised but honestly i don't think it'll make much difference at all in that respect. The biggest richest clubs already stockpile players and can bring top players off the bench to change a game. Any advantage they gain from this will be marginal IMO whereas there are all kinds of benefits to it in terms of player welfare, opportunities for young players to get minutes etc

 

[hughy]

Means we could get two sets of top quality wingbacks and genuinely keep all 4 happy in terms of playing time.

Let's start with one set and then go from there. ?

 

[Spursmatty87]

Although it set out to help the bigger clubs, I’m sure last time it helped teams that were defending deep in the last ten mins hold on for points.

 

[EQP]

If the FA is allowed to add stipulations, they should propose that teams are only allowed to sub in under 21 players when using the 2 extra subs. It will lead to an uptick in Academy players getting 1st team minutes and potentially more teams improving their academy setups.

 

[EQP]

Truly fucking stupid idea. Can these twats just once try and come up with something that doesn't just benefit the richest clubs?
They're systematically killing competition, the dream that someday your team can be the best or actually win something.
Its claimed the EPL is so popular because on any given day anyone can beat anyone. Well this will go some way to stopping that.
Honestly what will be the point of watching football oncethis and the new cl qualifying laws come in?
They'll kill the golden goose before long and people will lose interest.
What happened to having to pick your best 11 to win a game and having to make good tactical substitutions. Now you'll be able to fuck it up completely and then change half the outfield players!
Ridiculously shit idea imo.

Did you also have an issue with the FA Cup and EFL cup allowing 5 subs last season and this season?

 

[Gassin's finest]

If only we'd had this in the days of Keane, Defoe, Berbatov and Bent...

 

[Japhet]

Truly fucking stupid idea. Can these twats just once try and come up with something that doesn't just benefit the richest clubs?
They're systematically killing competition, the dream that someday your team can be the best or actually win something.
Its claimed the EPL is so popular because on any given day anyone can beat anyone. Well this will go some way to stopping that.
Honestly what will be the point of watching football oncethis and the new cl qualifying laws come in?
They'll kill the golden goose before long and people will lose interest.
What happened to having to pick your best 11 to win a game and having to make good tactical substitutions. Now you'll be able to fuck it up completely and then change half the outfield players!
Ridiculously shit idea imo.

There's already a substantial balancer in place with most teams not having to trapse round Europe in midweek and all the other knock on effects of European competitions.

 

[Trix]

Although it set out to help the bigger clubs, I’m sure last time it helped teams that were defending deep in the last ten mins hold on for points.

That is not the reason at all.

 

[sausage]

If only we'd had this in the days of Keane, Defoe, Berbatov and Bent...

If we'd had it in the days of Kane, Janssen and Llorente, we'd have been able to look forward to 5 subs on the 88th minute instead of 3

 

[stonecolddeanaustin]

Coming back to Guardiola's quotes:

"Premier League players have 47 per cent more muscular injuries than the previous season due to a lack of preparation, and the amount of games. All the other leagues - Germany, Spain, have five substitutions to protect the players, not to one team or one set of players.

"Because of the pandemic, the reality now is completely different and we have to readjust and intelligent people adjust."

Is this not due to the high intensity press that nearly everyone favours now? If you're players can't manage it for 90 mins without an occasional injury then it suggests to me it's too intense and needs to be toned back. That's obviously never happening though.

Anyone thinking that this won't benefit the big clubs is just kidding themselves. Get yourselves two sets of two equally good wing backs and you can instruct them to go hell for leather for 45 mins each and still have three subs left over. The smaller clubs will never be able to afford subs as good as their first team and this will only widen the gap.

A similar thing happens in rugby with a near enough unlimited number of subs. The lesser team will play well for 50 or 60 minutes and then the better team will bring on their subs that are nearly as good as the starters and they win easily in the last twenty minutes or so.

 

[EQP]

Coming back to Guardiola's quotes:

"Premier League players have 47 per cent more muscular injuries than the previous season due to a lack of preparation, and the amount of games. All the other leagues - Germany, Spain, have five substitutions to protect the players, not to one team or one set of players.

"Because of the pandemic, the reality now is completely different and we have to readjust and intelligent people adjust."

Is this not due to the high intensity press that nearly everyone favours now? If you're players can't manage it for 90 mins without an occasional injury then it suggests to me it's too intense and needs to be toned back. That's obviously never happening though.

Anyone thinking that this won't benefit the big clubs is just kidding themselves. Get yourselves two sets of two equally good wing backs and you can instruct them to go hell for leather for 45 mins each and still have three subs left over. The smaller clubs will never be able to afford subs as good as their first team and this will only widen the gap.

A similar thing happens in rugby with a near enough unlimited number of subs. The lesser team will play well for 50 or 60 minutes and then the better team will bring on their subs that are nearly as good as the starters and they win easily in the last twenty minutes or so.

Apply that same thinking to Burnley or Leeds. Dyche's men take a lead from a set-piece and in the hopes of seeing the game out he subs in 2 more defenders to deal with the impending onslaught and just stay solid in that low block and see out the game. Or how about Leeds (when Bielsa was about anyway) high press and harrying players all game and then they can bring in reinforcements to continue with the effort. The mistake here is thinking that ALL teams won't find ways to maximize the possibility of 2 more subs.

Also, why do you people overlook the fact that smaller clubs player less fixtures and have more preparation time for PL fixtures than bigger clubs?

 

[blitzfyr]

I sort of agree with your first point but re the second - smaller clubs having the less congested fixture schedule helps make the league slightly more competitive. Giving the best teams the opportunity to significantly rotate mid game rather than having to do before ko to manage the squad will only widen the gap in results between the richest clubs and the rest.

 

[stonecolddeanaustin]

Apply that same thinking to Burnley or Leeds. Dyche's men take a lead from a set-piece and in the hopes of seeing the game out he subs in 2 more defenders to deal with the impending onslaught and just stay solid in that low block and see out the game. Or how about Leeds (when Bielsa was about anyway) high press and harrying players all game and then they can bring in reinforcements to continue with the effort. The mistake here is thinking that ALL teams won't find ways to maximize the possibility of 2 more subs.

Also, why do you people overlook the fact that smaller clubs player less fixtures and have more preparation time for PL fixtures than bigger clubs?

That's a false equivalence. Being able to bring on a few extra plodders to hold on to a lead is nothing compared to being able to make more use of a superstar bench. Bielsa's Leeds would also benefit nowhere near as much as the big clubs - the quality of sub will just not be of the same standard as the starters.

I don't think anyone is overlooking that. It's one of few levelers the smaller clubs have with the big clubs. Another is the fact that the bigger clubs can only play 14 of their 20 odd superstars during a given match. That's soon increasing to 16.

 

[SSC]

That's a false equivalence. Being able to bring on a few extra plodders to hold on to a lead is nothing compared to being able to make more use of a superstar bench. Bielsa's Leeds would also benefit nowhere near as much as the big clubs - the quality of sub will just not be of the same standard as the starters.

I don't think anyone is overlooking that. It's one of few levelers the smaller clubs have with the big clubs. Another is the fact that the bigger clubs can only play 14 of their 20 odd superstars during a given match. That's soon increasing to 16.

0 subs up to 1958
1 sub from 1958
2 subs from 1988
2 subs + a GK from 1994
3 subs from 1995

At any of these points the comment in bold could have been used as an argument against it. Better teams are generally always going to have better subs. But there are so many nuances around matches played, current injuries, match situation, weather conditions etc that can be a leveler in any given match.

The game evolves, its quicker and more physically intensive and whilst it will undoubtedly on balance favour the better, richer teams... thats life right?

 

[Delboy75]

Completely changes the game in many respects. I think you’ll actually see better football even more high energy and more chances for academy players. I’m really not sure if it’s right or not but it’s a massive change.