a wow signing?

[InOffMeLeftShin]

no my question is what is says - a player that can turn us from been lucky in end to finish in 4th to pushing united for 2nd and depending on luck maybe even push city next season? or another way would be a signing that would put us dead certs for top 4 no matter what?

'Don't hate the player, hate the game'...or in this case 'It ain't the player it's the game'. We already have players that many other clubs would consider WOW players that could produce moments of magic to make a difference. Having players like Bale, Modric, VDV and Adebayor (this season) makes us the envy of clubs all over the world and it isn't really a surprise to see players of that quality being linked to title aspiring clubs both in England and on the continent. Maybe the issue is that we shouldn't be relying on players to produce moments of magic but should be trying to develop a style of play and specific strategic plans that can help us break teams down (or shut them out) utilising the WOW players that we already have to be more combined than just moments of individual brilliance.

 

[Ionman34]

I'd never seen him before but, after reading many on here extolling his virtues, I decided to watch some U Tube videos of Ganso .................

And ended up watching every single one of them.

Fuck me dead! What a player! Reminded me so much of Kaka in his prime.

He may not be the WOW signing, in terms of cost, that many seem to be looking for but, based on the footage I have seen, he'd be a WOW player every time he set foot on the pitch.

I've never really been one to bang on about 'we must have this or that player', but this guy looks like a dream prospect.

I say get him in, give him the same bedding in period as we did with Sandro (who should be able to help him aclimatise better) then unleash him on an unsuspecting PL.

I'd fly over from Oz just to see this guy play from what I have seen, absolutely sublime skills.

 

[adiepf]

Please stop writing in text message language.

can i ask why you think you can ask someone to write in a certain way???

its up to him how he writes surely?....






ffs....

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I'd never seen him before but, after reading many on here extolling his virtues, I decided to watch some U Tube videos of Ganso .................

And ended up watching every single one of them.

Fuck me dead! What a player! Reminded me so much of Kaka in his prime.

He may not be the WOW signing, in terms of cost, that many seem to be looking for but, based on the footage I have seen, he'd be a WOW player every time he set foot on the pitch.

I've never really been one to bang on about 'we must have this or that player', but this guy looks like a dream prospect.

I say get him in, give him the same bedding in period as we did with Sandro (who should be able to help him aclimatise better) then unleash him on an unsuspecting PL.

I'd fly over from Oz just to see this guy play from what I have seen, absolutely sublime skills.

One of the major criticisms of him is that he hasn't been the WOW player everytime he sets foot on the pitch. In fact there were a lot of concerns about his performances in the Brasileirao and that he was only really performing to a high level against weaker opposition in the regional league. Apparently he has returned to top form recently after his formed dropped off a lot in large part because he has been pushed further forwards and his defensive duties have been reduced. Clearly he has all the talent in the world but he'd have to effectively play in the same position as probably our best attacking player (VDV).

I think it would take a lot for him to be able to adapt to the high pressure football in the Premiership but I don't doubt that he could do it.

Incidentally he says he never wants to be separated from Neymar, so we might have to go for them both.

 

[C-oops]

Ganso is supposed to be pretty slow from what I've read. Not sure how that would suit our game. If midric goes and we need to replace him the replacement needs to be able to move a bit... I could real off names but I haven't seen much of people like sahin, Martin, goetze etc... Id love marek hamsik.. think he is just what we are looking for. Strong, fast, skillfully, can play central in a deep or advanced position and out wide . Plus he scores about 10 goals a season...

 

[Clamour_Kid]

Ganso is supposed to be pretty slow from what I've read. Not sure how that would suit our game. If midric goes and we need to replace him the replacement needs to be able to move a bit... I could real off names but I haven't seen much of people like sahin, Martin, goetze etc... Id love marek hamsik.. think he is just what we are looking for. Strong, fast, skillfully, can play central in a deep or advanced position and out wide . Plus he scores about 10 goals a season...

Has Eriksen been snapped up by anyone yet? Sign him and get him to play the Modric position. I think he would be class! And in the big games, if Redknapp wants a bit of experience, he can put Rafa in there. Just a thought.

 

[C-oops]

I'm not too sure that eriksen could play the deep playmaker role that modric does.. isn't he more of a winger?

 

[Clamour_Kid]

I'm not too sure that eriksen could play the deep playmaker role that modric does.. isn't he more of a winger?

Coops, yes, you are right, not a deep lying playmaker like Modric, but is a playmaker and a creator and goalscorer. If there is one criticism of Luka, it is that he doesn't score enough goals. In fact, he rarely makes goals, but is always the "sub-assister" - the guy who assists the guy who makes the assist. With Sandro, Parker in the DM roles and those not being that bad on the ball, we can afford an Eriksen to play a bit further forward dont you think?

 

[Ionman34]

One of the major criticisms of him is that he hasn't been the WOW player everytime he sets foot on the pitch. In fact there were a lot of concerns about his performances in the Brasileirao and that he was only really performing to a high level against weaker opposition in the regional league. Apparently he has returned to top form recently after his formed dropped off a lot in large part because he has been pushed further forwards and his defensive duties have been reduced. Clearly he has all the talent in the world but he'd have to effectively play in the same position as probably our best attacking player (VDV).

I think it would take a lot for him to be able to adapt to the high pressure football in the Premiership but I don't doubt that he could do it.

Incidentally he says he never wants to be separated from Neymar, so we might have to go for them both.

You're obviously a lot more familiar with the lad than myself IOMLS so I'm interested to hear/read what you, and possibly Brasilspur, have to say about him.

I did read his name being touted around a lot preseason but, let's face it, there was such a frenzy at that time his name kind of blended into the blur so I never looked him up.

Interesting that you say his form returned when the defensive duties were relaxed. Was it his creative form that suffered or was he just generally poor all round? As to the possible clash with VDV, I don't really see that as a problem. Why bang on about rotating players then hold one player exempt, with no competition to keep him on his toes? Besides, he'd need a 'bedding in' period so he'd probably be eased into the side in much the same way Sandro was.

And go for both Ganso AND Neymar? I watched the U Tubes of Neymar too ........................



Sex wee? It'd be like a Milk truck hitting a wall!

 

[Clamour_Kid]

In fact, and I know they are different leagues but...

Eriksen: 31 games, 7 goals, 15 assists in the league
Modric: 31 games, 4 goals, 6 assists in the league

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

You're obviously a lot more familiar with the lad than myself IOMLS so I'm interested to hear/read what you, and possibly Brasilspur, have to say about him.

I did read his name being touted around a lot preseason but, let's face it, there was such a frenzy at that time his name kind of blended into the blur so I never looked him up.

Interesting that you say his form returned when the defensive duties were relaxed. Was it his creative form that suffered or was he just generally poor all round? As to the possible clash with VDV, I don't really see that as a problem. Why bang on about rotating players then hold one player exempt, with no competition to keep him on his toes? Besides, he'd need a 'bedding in' period so he'd probably be eased into the side in much the same way Sandro was.

And go for both Ganso AND Neymar? I watched the U Tubes of Neymar too ........................

There was a period when I was being a bit of a Brasilian football geek and watching a lot of games and in particular watching Sandro but those days are gone and I don't have time to watch as much football as I did (still love it just life gets in the way). Recently I'm only going by reports I've read on t'internet sites about him reclaiming his form and that having Elano sitting in behind him has reduced a lot his defensive duties. He has always been mega talented though but I'd imagine it would be a lot more difficult for him to adapt than Sandro. Let's be honest Sandro is like a machine purpose built for English football as oppose to the typical Brasilian flair player.

There were rumours of Ganso being offered to us in January and the typical Harry response of 'Who? Never heard of him? What position does he play?' but I'm not sure how much truth there was in any of that. More recent rumours are that a lot of the Brasilian boys will stay there until after the 2014 world cup (which I think Brasil are really priming themselves for, I mean seriously a youthful side with Sandro, Ramires and Ganso in midfield and Lucas, Neymar and Leandro in attack could be frightening by 2014).

 

[adiepf]

In fact, and I know they are different leagues but...

Eriksen: 31 games, 7 goals, 15 assists in the league
Modric: 31 games, 4 goals, 6 assists in the league

but if you then add Modric main attribute to that (keeping posession) its pretty obvious to me that he does a hell of a lot more than people realise...

i tend to look at it like this, sure eriksson & whoever else are superb players but....the elite clubs want Luka Modric, not eriksson, not Ganso...they could sign them in a heartbeat but they want Luka..

& id like to think that the people that work for Chelsea, Man Utd....even Roberto Mancini know a little bit more about football than us, have report upon report about what eriksson can do & Ganso etc...yet they ALL want Modric!

 

[guy]

Falcao! I would literally say "WOW, nice"

 

[Clamour_Kid]

but if you then add Modric main attribute to that (keeping posession) its pretty obvious to me that he does a hell of a lot more than people realise...

i tend to look at it like this, sure eriksson & whoever else are superb players but....the elite clubs want Luka Modric, not eriksson, not Ganso...they could sign them in a heartbeat but they want Luka..

& id like to think that the people that work for Chelsea, Man Utd....even Roberto Mancini know a little bit more about football than us, have report upon report about what eriksson can do & Ganso etc...yet they ALL want Modric!

I do agree with your thoughts there Adiepf, and while people want Luka, it's clear to see why. There is keeping possession aspect of his play and that is second to none. But most of these teams that want Luka, have the attacking midfield players that make and score goals. We get the impression from our club (in terms of signings) that we have to sell Luka in order to get a top quality player in another position. Yes we have Bale and Rafa. Bale is scoring an average amount of goals for his position, but is nowhere near a Ronaldo (who he is trying to be) and Rafa is trying to be our Lampard or Fabregas who regularly got 20 goals in a season, but could only manage 12.

If we can't get a Striker who will bang in 25 goals a season, then we need goals from elsewhere.

I would LOVE to be able to keep Luka and then buy someone like Eriksen or Hazard (i know highly unlikely now). Someone that can score the goals, but I feel the club's mentality is one or the other, not both. I hope I am wrong.

 

[RJ1882]

I dont see how players at Napoli can be out of reach for us at Spurs. Its Napoli FFS. When people say players at certain clubs are out of our league I have to disagree. If we are in Champions League and Napoli are not, we are a much more attractive team to play for.
Lavezzi, Hamsik, Cavani are gettable for us is we pay the fee and pay a decent wage. Pay over £100k pw and suddenly so many more players become available to us.
I'd love all three or any one of those 3.

 

[Clamour_Kid]

I dont see how players at Napoli can be out of reach for us at Spurs. Its Napoli FFS. When people say players at certain clubs are out of our league I have to disagree. If we are in Champions League and Napoli are not, we are a much more attractive team to play for.
Lavezzi, Hamsik, Cavani are gettable for us is we pay the fee and pay a decent wage. Pay over £100k pw and suddenly so many more players become available to us.
I'd love all three or any one of those 3.

This is what I don't understand. I was always under the impression that Spurs had a wage budget and not a wage cap. I.e we could have 2 players on £200k a week and the rest on £30k a week and we'd be fine.

If that is the case, then what is holding us back are the wages for people like Bentley, Niko, Bassong, Corluka, Dos Santos, Jenas. We need to get rid. Its like Lloyds selling their Estate agency arm for £1 to stop them losing £1m a week.

I'm not saying we should sell them for pittance, but if someone came in with a £4m offer for Bentley, I would take it!

 

[Ionman34]

There was a period when I was being a bit of a Brasilian football geek and watching a lot of games and in particular watching Sandro but those days are gone and I don't have time to watch as much football as I did (still love it just life gets in the way). Recently I'm only going by reports I've read on t'internet sites about him reclaiming his form and that having Elano sitting in behind him has reduced a lot his defensive duties. He has always been mega talented though but I'd imagine it would be a lot more difficult for him to adapt than Sandro. Let's be honest Sandro is like a machine purpose built for English football as oppose to the typical Brasilian flair player.

That he is but, as Elano sitting behind has aided Ganso, wouldn't you say that Sandro would have exactly the same effect for him too? Particularly if, as you say, they will be mainstays for Brazil in the WC. I'd like to think that both playing for Spurs in that type of role would actually be beneficial to their country. Let's face it, we aren't going to be in a position to aid the England bid so sod it, let's help the Brazilians, everyones second team!
Get Ganso and Neymar and would could literally sing 'It's just like watching Brazil' and we wouldn't be lying!

There were rumours of Ganso being offered to us in January and the typical Harry response of 'Who? Never heard of him? What position does he play?' but I'm not sure how much truth there was in any of that. More recent rumours are that a lot of the Brasilian boys will stay there until after the 2014 world cup (which I think Brasil are really priming themselves for, I mean seriously a youthful side with Sandro, Ramires and Ganso in midfield and Lucas, Neymar and Leandro in attack could be frightening by 2014).

I take anything Aitch says with a pinch of salt when it comes to transfer rumours. The issue with reading a response is that you don't really know the nature under which the reply was given. Did he have a grin on his face when answering? I'd be inclined to think there was as I can't see him being ignorant of the player when our scouts are waxing lyrical about him and considering our presence in the country.

As per usual, we must wait and see, but if our policy is to sign up the Worlds best young talent before they really make their names, these two should be high on the list IMO.

 

[riversmonkey]

I'd rather make some astute signings, strengthening areas we are weak in, upgrading on our current squad. Like we did with Adebayor and Parker, albeit get these signings completed before the season starts.

 

[adiepf]

I do agree with your thoughts there Adiepf, and while people want Luka, it's clear to see why. There is keeping possession aspect of his play and that is second to none. But most of these teams that want Luka, have the attacking midfield players that make and score goals. We get the impression from our club (in terms of signings) that we have to sell Luka in order to get a top quality player in another position. Yes we have Bale and Rafa. Bale is scoring an average amount of goals for his position, but is nowhere near a Ronaldo (who he is trying to be) and Rafa is trying to be our Lampard or Fabregas who regularly got 20 goals in a season, but could only manage 12.

If we can't get a Striker who will bang in 25 goals a season, then we need goals from elsewhere.

I would LOVE to be able to keep Luka and then buy someone like Eriksen or Hazard (i know highly unlikely now). Someone that can score the goals, but I feel the club's mentality is one or the other, not both. I hope I am wrong.

i get what your saying but in that case i think we should be talking about replacing VDV not Luka...

as much as VDV is a great player, i think he is our problem, here me out....

VDV is technically an elite player but the reason he doesnt play for an elite club is the one thing above all a player in his position needs (after his technical brilliance) is pace!!!...he has none & this is why he plays for spurs & not real madrid anymore...

when we play 4411 with VDV off a striker the big problem we have is converting our chances & thats because we cant fill the box & the reason is VDV drops deep to get involved in the beginning of moves brilliantly, he links with Luka etc but as soon as Luka releases Bale or Lennon down the flanks VDV simply cannont keep up with them & then any ball they put into the box needs to be 100% accurate for the one player we have in there....ADE!...we literally put about 20 crosses in a game & convert vertually nil!...all because we dont get enough bodies in the box

however on the rare occasions the wingers check their runs VDV can arrive late on the scene & score from the crosses that miss ADE or hit him (VDV) on the edge of the box...& he does score because he is tchnically our best finisher!

i love VDV, he is a brilliant player & a brilliant guy but he is a player that just doesnt fit in any real position for me where as Luka consistantly does what he does....pass teams to death & keep spurs on the ball..

i think VDV is the guy we could replace to improve us, someone that could play off the main strtiker & has the pace to keep up with Lennon & Bale would make us deadly imo...

*dont think i dont rate VDV cos i do, i just think our team is not built for him as we play with 2 rapid wingers....

 

[Clamour_Kid]

i get what your saying but in that case i think we should be talking about replacing VDV not Luka...

as much as VDV is a great player, i think he is our problem, here me out....

VDV is technically an elite player but the reason he doesnt play for an elite club is the one thing above all a player in his position needs (after his technical brilliance) is pace!!!...he has none & this is why he plays for spurs & not real madrid anymore...

when we play 4411 with VDV off a striker the big problem we have is converting our chances & thats because we cant fill the box & the reason is VDV drops deep to get involved in the beginning of moves brilliantly, he links with Luka etc but as soon as Luka releases Bale or Lennon down the flanks VDV simply cannont keep up with them & then any ball they put into the box needs to be 100% accurate for the one player we have in there....ADE!...we literally put about 20 crosses in a game & convert vertually nil!...all because we dont get enough bodies in the box

however on the rare occasions the wingers check their runs VDV can arrive late on the scene & score from the crosses that miss ADE or hit him (VDV) on the edge of the box...& he does score because he is tchnically our best finisher!

i love VDV, he is a brilliant player & a brilliant guy but he is a player that just doesnt fit in any real position for me where as Luka consistantly does what he does....pass teams to death & keep spurs on the ball..

i think VDV is the guy we could replace to improve us, someone that could play off the main strtiker & has the pace to keep up with Lennon & Bale would make us deadly imo...

*dont think i dont rate VDV cos i do, i just think our team is not built for him as we play with 2 rapid wingers....

Well, I have to say, as much as I love the guy too, you are right! But, a question for you... In that case, if Luka did want to leave, would you go for VDV dropping in to Luka's position and us signing an Eriksen, Dembele or Remy to replace Rafa?