Adebayor & Parker - Detailed Analysis

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Ok then, take for instance when we stuffed them 3-0 at home - one of our best performances under Redknapp.

Adebayor - 34/27

Defoe - 25/21 (rare to see Defoe this involved)
Crouch - 46/29

So highly involved despite us being well on top of them, he's going to be a fine signing.

He does indeed have many attributes that our strikers lack, and if he can recapture his Arsenal form then he will be a major step up in what we have.

 

[senseispab]

Excellent post

This is how football discussion should be.

Like that other guy mentioned, i've got a guilty secret: I want to see more of GDS. Defoe and Pav are so poor, he couldn't be any worse.

 

[DogsOfWar]

Definitely true. Those stats, for example, suggest Parker is better than Sandro and I'm not sure that's true.

But the striker stats are very illuminating and show what we've been missing for the last year and a bit.

The trouble with this comment is that the stats don't match up with your instinct of Sandro and Parker so you refute them.

But they do match up with your instinct on our strikers so you accept them.

I actually agreed with your original point regarding Sandro and Parker but I see in these stats evidence that Parker is actually better than I believed and that not only can he sit and protect the defence (as Sandro does) but he can get forward and be of value higher up the pitch (as Sandro doesn't).

As a result I would now argue that Parker is currently a better (or more effective in a 4 man midfield) player.

 

[StartingPrice]

The trouble with this comment is that the stats don't match up with your instinct of Sandro and Parker so you refute them.

But they do match up with your instinct on our strikers so you accept them.

I actually agreed with your original point regarding Sandro and Parker but I see in these stats evidence that Parker is actually better than I believed and that not only can he sit and protect the defence (as Sandro does) but he can get forward and be of value higher up the pitch (as Sandro doesn't).

As a result I would now argue that Parker is currently a better (or more effective in a 4 man midfield) player.

Dunno...Sandro looked pretty useful scoring against Chelsea...but was then immediately roasted by Redknapp for moving out of position.
I'm not saying Redknapp was either wrong or right to do that - maybe he had been working really hard in instilling positional discipline in Sandro, and so, in spite of the goal, wanted to hammer the point home. But that, and the limited exposure we have had of Sandro make it diffifcult to make the comparison.

 

[Booney]

The fouls and bookings stats are interesting for Parker. We need to plan fir the fact that there will be significant chunks if the season when he is suspended or injured. West Ham got sorely punished for relying on him too heavily and I don't see a natural replacement now that Wilson has gone.

 

[Phil_2.0]

I like the analysis but the comparison on the chalkboards is ultimately pointlesss. To compare 2 random games from different seasons makes no sense.

 

[batigol]

Dunno...Sandro looked pretty useful scoring against Chelsea...but was then immediately roasted by Redknapp for moving out of position.
I'm not saying Redknapp was either wrong or right to do that - maybe he had been working really hard in instilling positional discipline in Sandro, and so, in spite of the goal, wanted to hammer the point home. But that, and the limited exposure we have had of Sandro make it diffifcult to make the comparison.

The issue is that many of us have been using rose-tinted glasses to judge Parker. He has been going forward and scoring for West Ham pretty regularly in the past few seasons while all we have is 1 spectacular season from Sandro.

It hints at what Sandro can be but Parker is really the player for here and now. Why do you think Chelsea actually considered taking him back on loan if he was barely better than the O'Haras, JJs or Palacios? He is definitely a more complete midfielder at this moment compared to all the midfielders we have offload recently and I believe he will do fantastic for us, as will Adebayor.

 

[opensaysme]

The issue is that many of us have been using rose-tinted glasses to judge Parker. He has been going forward and scoring for West Ham pretty regularly in the past few seasons while all we have is 1 spectacular season from Sandro.

It hints at what Sandro can be but Parker is really the player for here and now. Why do you think Chelsea actually considered taking him back on loan if he was barely better than the O'Haras, JJs or Palacios? He is definitely a more complete midfielder at this moment compared to all the midfielders we have offload recently and I believe he will do fantastic for us, as will Adebayor.

Rep +

 

[StartingPrice]

The issue is that many of us have been using rose-tinted glasses to judge Parker. He has been going forward and scoring for West Ham pretty regularly in the past few seasons while all we have is 1 spectacular season from Sandro.

It hints at what Sandro can be but Parker is really the player for here and now. Why do you think Chelsea actually considered taking him back on loan if he was barely better than the O'Haras, JJs or Palacios? He is definitely a more complete midfielder at this moment compared to all the midfielders we have offload recently and I believe he will do fantastic for us, as will Adebayor.

:shrug:
Okay, thanks for the lecture :eh:

The key paragraph in my post (the one you seem to have disregarded in deciding to lecture me) was where I said I am not saying it is either wrong or right - and that was referencing solely the attitude of Redknapp when Sandro did get forward, and score, against Chelsea. I never asked what the issue was, or even if there was one. I never said Parker (who I was very vocal in wanting brought), wasn't ideal for here or now. I never said I didn't want him at the club (who I was very vocal in wanting brought).
I just said that we all know that Parker can do this, we don't know if Sandro can or not...but going from his goal against Chelsea, maybe he can but is being coached in positional discipline by Redknapp (hence his attitude when Sandro scored that goal and ran to the bench). That is nothing against Parker at all...it is a discussion of Sandro and whether he can be more of a box-to-box midfielder or not, savvy :shrug:

 

[StartingPrice]

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Why have you repped him...he clearly didn't understand anything about the post he was quoting and went into lecture mode about Parker to someone who was very vocal in wanting Parker at the club :duh: