Alli's Volley vs Lamela's Rabona

[Mr.D]

Yawn.

 

[hellava_tough]

For pure emotion it was Alli's goal

 

[tiger666]

This thread is like a bunch of kids having an argument about fifa in the playground.

 

[michaelden]

This all the way. Lamela practices Rabonas and is always on the lookout to do one. It is, in my opinion, the sign of a misspent youth career as he should have been learning to use his right foot rather that doing Rabonas.

Whereas Alli reacted to the situation using the vast arsenal of skills he's developed in his shorter career.

there is a video interview with Lamela and he says he never practises rabona's anymore as he stopped doing it as a kid. Something about some coach giving him stick even though he scored the goal.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't think you and others like you who are spouting off the context of the goals get it. Its not about the importance of the goal or the level of the competitiveness of the match, its just a simple question which of the goals was better.

Following your logic if you factor in the importance of the game and the pressure etc, then you would have to say that Crouch's goal that put us in the CL after we beat Man City is better than both, which it is not!

Of course the importance and context of the goal and the competitiveness makes a difference.

Your silly little argument about Crouch's goal is completely irrelevant. I haven't said that the context suddenly elevates a goal to be 10 times better than it otherwise would be.

But both Lamela's rabona and Alli's bit of magic were phenomenal bits of football, almost impossible to separate in terms of skill. At which point you have to consider the context, the opposition, the pressure of the situation etc etc.

And looking at that Alli's beats Lamela's all day long.

I reckon if anyone else had scored that rabona, then this wouldn't even be a debate, but because it's Lamela, his supporting army are tending to get a bit excited.

Perhaps we should just be pleased that we've got two players in the squad capable of such moments of brilliance, and feel lucky that we've been able to see those two goals from Spurs players.

 

[michaelden]

Both goals are spectacular, but I prefer Allis because it's technically harder. It contains several moments of technical brilliance. The lift, the balance and the control of his body after the spin, and then the volley. It didn't look hard for him, but it is.

technically harder to do 2 keepy-ups and a volley? or a rabonna and get power and placement and curve. Just try doing a rabonna and get it off the ground, then try 2 keepy-ups and a volley...


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still can't get the rabona off the ground i bet

*edit: reread this post and realised it sounds really bad that Alli did nothing special, he did the goal was fantastic. But skill wise we have seen the Alli goal more as it's easier. Any rabona is hard to do, and it's not just a way to not use your weaker foot. If it was Van Persie would be the fucking rabona master!

 

[garryparkerschest]

I personally think Alli's goal against Everton was superior to his effort on Saturday.

The Rabona in my eyes is technically more difficult and to have the confidence to try it is another thing.

if you were to take everything into context, my favourite goal out of the two was Alli's.

I still prefer his effort at Goodison.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I personally think Alli's goal against Everton was superior to his effort on Saturday.

The Rabona in my eyes is technically more difficult and to have the confidence to try it is another thing.

if you were to take everything into context, my favourite goal out of the two was Alli's.

I still prefer his effort at Goodison.

That goal at Everton was technically fantastic.

It didn't have the aesthetic extravagance of his one at the weekend. But was arguably as difficult to execute. Great touch and finish.

 

[garryparkerschest]

That goal at Everton was technically fantastic.

It didn't have the aesthetic extravagance of his one at the weekend. But was arguably as difficult to execute. Great touch and finish.

The goal against Everton in my eyes was just as impressive, At speed and to chest it and strike in one movement was, like I said a lot more difficult.

He scored it at an important time too.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

@UpTownSpur practising the Robona as a kid...

 

[coldasice199]

Lamela win's that one for me. What a goal by Alli though

 

[kaz Hirai]

This thread is like a bunch of kids having an argument about fifa in the playground.

Shame isn't it. 2 great goals and its only a matter of opinion which is best...personal taste

Yet a few are twisting it into a lamela argument

 

[gazzeh]

technically harder to do 2 keepy-ups and a volley? or a rabonna and get power and placement and curve. Just try doing a rabonna and get it off the ground, then try 2 keepy-ups and a volley...


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still can't get the rabona off the ground i bet

*edit: reread this post and realised it sounds really bad that Alli did nothing special, he did the goal was fantastic. But skill wise we have seen the Alli goal more as it's easier. Any rabona is hard to do, and it's not just a way to not use your weaker foot. If it was Van Persie would be the fucking rabona master!

I'm not a particularly high level footballer, but I can do a rabona with accuracy, and power, and get it off the floor 9/10. Most of the people I play with also can (not sure this is a good thing).

I'd like to think i'm decent with my left too, but sometimes a rabona just feels right...

I can't volley for shit. lol

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I love the Rabona but I prefer Alli's to be honest.

The great thing about Alli's was that it was a team goal as much as it required individual skill. From Kanes intelligent crossfield ball, to Eriksens nicely cushioned header and then Alli to have the awareness to completely befuddle Jedinak with the flick over his shoulder and to catch the ball sweetly into the bottom corner was pure poetry.

Football is a team sport and therefore team goals trump speculative individual efforts for me.

 

[midoNdefoe]

But he spent time practising doing rabonas rather than improving his right foot, and he seems to have seen it as way of not having to improve his right foot. To the massive detriment to him as a player. If I'd have been his youth coach I'd have slapped him around the head every time he did one and told him he couldn't use his left foot for a week.

I don't see there being any advantage to doing a rabona, as you're just using your strong foot in the exact same way you'd use your weaker one, except you have to get into a very difficult body position to do it and are quite limited in the way you can strike the ball. It's skill that tries to make up for a deficiency rather than a skill with an explicit tactical advantage per se. You'll never see Harry Kane or Eriksen do a Rabona because they don't need to, they just use their weaker foot and have far greater control over the ball.

Did you similarly berate Giggs for his lack of 2-footeness?!
Im guessing you are fully ambidextrous - which breeds your dislike for us one-siders!

 

[UpTownSpur]

Paul Merson said Lamela's goal was the best he's ever seen. He's my post from the day it happened:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/lamela.102726/page-395

I guess you'll accuse me of lying because I don't have video evidence.

Here's the fucking front page of the BBC the day/day after:

View attachment 21707

And for your comment about people voting for 'the truth'- you do realise there is no objective 'truth' as to what goal was better. It's subjective, a matter of opinion- and a bit of fun. Yet again, you have derailed a thread that was meant to be calm and a discussion of two things that can only be seen as positive. But your pathetic agenda and unrelenting desire for attention meant that you had to create an argument and completely go against the point of the thread. You even have the audacity to accuse others of having an agenda, when your bias against Lamela is abundantly clear to anyone with an ounce of awareness, and it's boring, childish and a fucking pain in the arse. I wish you had kept to your promise of becoming a lurker, but that was never going to happen as you wouldn't be able to make everything about you.

I should have clarified myself and said a "respected" ex professional footballer who hasn't got a history with substance abuse - there has to be a video so the context can be determined.

You talk as if I alone have these views when that's far from the case, both on this forum and in the wider world. Here's an article in a national newspaper from a respected journalist that exactly mirrors my own views:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...t-hes-a-genius-when-in-fact-it-s-9817254.html

"primary purpose isn’t chiefly a highly effective advertisement for his total one-footedness."

"rabona – the name given to that most mesmerisingly pointless of manoeuvres"

"More tellingly (with one notable exception) its leading protagonists tend not to be world-beaters."

"footballing equivalent of the amateur snooker player who, knowing he has no hope with the rest, plays the shot with the cue behind his back."

"Try to locate a clip of a Messi rabona on YouTube and all you’ll find are a hell of a lot of video-game clips, mainly uploaded, incidentally, by teenage Filipino boys ... Such is the great man’s two-footedness, and low centre of gravity, he has never had cause to deploy that radical, instant change of shooting angle the rabona offers."

"Cristiano Ronaldo’s solitary rabona came for Manchester United against Fulham, when, under no pressure whatsoever, he deployed the method to put in a rather basic cross."

"To rabona in a close match will antagonise the fan, given the risk factor involved. To rabona when the game is won is disrespectful."

"The one exception is Angel Di Maria. His left-footed rabona-ed goals and crosses for Benfica and Real Madrid are only made all the more spectacular by his crashing right-footed shots and volleys."

The way I look at is this: what if Harry Kane, instead of just jumping and heading the goal against Palace, inserted his finger into his anus and then jumped up and headed the goal. He would have invented a new trick shot - "the finger in butt hole goal" which he'd celebrate by sniffing his finger after. But, you'd have to ask, what exactly would be the point of that? As I ask with Lamela's Rabona - he could have even used his left in a natural position - it was just a showboat in an easy game against inferior opposition. Alli's was not a showboat but a piece of skill intrinsic to scoring the goal and winning the game.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I should have clarified myself and said a "respected" ex professional footballer who hasn't got a history with substance abuse - there has to be a video so the context can be determined.

You talk as if I alone have these views when that's far from the case, both on this forum and in the wider world. Here's an article in a national newspaper from a respected journalist that exactly mirrors my own views:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...t-hes-a-genius-when-in-fact-it-s-9817254.html

"primary purpose isn’t chiefly a highly effective advertisement for his total one-footedness."

"rabona – the name given to that most mesmerisingly pointless of manoeuvres"

"More tellingly (with one notable exception) its leading protagonists tend not to be world-beaters."

"footballing equivalent of the amateur snooker player who, knowing he has no hope with the rest, plays the shot with the cue behind his back."

"Try to locate a clip of a Messi rabona on YouTube and all you’ll find are a hell of a lot of video-game clips, mainly uploaded, incidentally, by teenage Filipino boys ... Such is the great man’s two-footedness, and low centre of gravity, he has never had cause to deploy that radical, instant change of shooting angle the rabona offers."

"Cristiano Ronaldo’s solitary rabona came for Manchester United against Fulham, when, under no pressure whatsoever, he deployed the method to put in a rather basic cross."

"To rabona in a close match will antagonise the fan, given the risk factor involved. To rabona when the game is won is disrespectful."

"The one exception is Angel Di Maria. His left-footed rabona-ed goals and crosses for Benfica and Real Madrid are only made all the more spectacular by his crashing right-footed shots and volleys."

The way I look at is this: what if Harry Kane, instead of just jumping and heading the goal against Palace, inserted his finger into his anus and then jumped up and headed the goal. He would have invented a new trick shot - "the finger in butt hole goal" which he'd celebrate by sniffing his finger after. But, you'd have to ask, what exactly would be the point of that? As I ask with Lamela's Rabona - he could have even used his left in a natural position - it was just a showboat in an easy game against inferior opposition. Alli's was not a showboat but a piece of skill intrinsic to scoring the goal and winning the game.

'Tom Peck'- yep, everyone's heard of that world-renowned award-winning journalist. Everyone on the Gilette Soccer Saturday Panel is an idiot, so it's funny how you dismiss one of them.

Regarding the whole 'anus' thing- I think you've completely lost the plot. Genuinly one of weirdest things I've ever seen on here. Further proves why I should ignore you.

 

[Blake Griffin]

technically harder to do 2 keepy-ups and a volley? or a rabonna and get power and placement and curve. Just try doing a rabonna and get it off the ground, then try 2 keepy-ups and a volley...

completely disagree with this and saying alli's was two keepy-ups and a volley is massively downplaying it. he's cushioned the ball while it's in the air, lifted it over himself and an onrushing opponent, swivelled 270 degrees, kept track of where both the ball and the goal is and still managed to absolutely leather it past another defender and into the corner of the goal from 20 yards. to do all of that and get his knee over the ball takes a ridiculous amount of skill, far more than a poxy rabona(god, I hate that term). there's a video of vertonghen fucking about and rabona'ing the ball into a rucksack from the same distance that lamela scored from, it's really not a difficult thing to do especially for a pro footballer and the only reason you never/rarely see goals scored that way is because it's needlessly making something harder than it needs to be.

 

[SlotBadger]

I despair for anybody who’d prefer to watch a goal with the inside of the foot from 20 yards, compared to a once-in-a-lifetime moment of inspiration.

 

[DotNetCoder]

I voted Alli, because I've got a short term memory and only things that happened recently count.