Am I the only one who doesn't mind a change?

[THOWIG]

Personally I feel a change is a positive move. Both players are coming up to the most important years of their careers and want to be in the Champions League and ultimately challenging for the league it's that simple.
I think Milito will be an important buy. He won't cost the earth and has very similar attributes to Berba and an equal goalscoring record. Berbatov's flamboyance will be equaled by the signing of Modric.
Still feel a central midfielder, central defender, left winger and 2 strikers are the minimum of what we need especially if Kaboul, Chimbonda, Malbranque, Tainio, O'Hara, Rocha, Gardner, Berbatov and Keane leave.

 

[stemark44]

Personally I feel a change is a positive move. Both players are coming up to the most important years of their careers and want to be in the Champions League and ultimately challenging for the league it's that simple.
I think Milito will be an important buy. He won't cost the earth and has very similar attributes to Berba and an equal goalscoring record. Berbatov's flamboyance will be equaled by the signing of Modric.
Still feel a central midfielder, central defender, left winger and 2 strikers are the minimum of what we need especially if Kaboul, Chimbonda, Malbranque, Tainio, O'Hara, Rocha, Gardner, Berbatov and Keane leave.[/quote]

Can't see O'Hara leaving!

 

[MisterC]

the worrying thing is we wouldn't necessarily have to replace keane and berbatov, as bent is proven to play most effectively as a lone frontman. obviously the fans would like them to replaced with top class players but the management may not deem this necessary with possible new formation to be used this season, and the likelyhood of dos santos being used as a number ten.

obv i want berba to stay or go abroad, but if manure gave us 20 mil + carrick that would be a good deal for us,

and in the light of liverpool not being able to afford barry because of their pursuit of keane, doing a deal with villa for barry in a straight swap for jenas would also be useful for us.. barry may not have the legs of jenas, but is a little more tenacious, something we need .

imagine that , a midfield options list of barry, carrick, modric, gio, lennon, zokora,tainio, bale, o'hara... nice eh!

obv hoping kaboul, malbranque stay but its not looking likely if we get the right offers

Hi All

Now I have calmed done i'm ok to see them go BUT if we are playing one upfront then we still need a good new striker, last time I looked they all keep saying no.
I would buy Arshavin and his fellow Russian striker, but would they join......

 

[MendD3]

Wouldn't want Arshavin, Millwall signed a pair of russians deemed brillant a few years back and they were rubbish plus look how Rebrov and Shevchenko have turned out. He would also be using us as a stepping stone for sure, would take Eto'o though, if Ramos doesn't fancy Bent.

 

[hellava_tough]

There are others I'd get rid of before Steed. I don't think our squad is sufficiently strong to willingly sell one of our best players last season. For me, Steed is a perfect squad player for us (as is Tainio imo). Good quality, good versatility and good rapport with the fans. We should of course add more quality to the squad but not at the expense of weakening our second string.

At first I was of that opinion

Then I had a look at the squad roster and saw that it was massive. If we sign a holding player and Bentley (I don't think this is too far fetched) our midfield would be:

Bentley
DM
Modric
Dos Santos

Second string

Lennon
Hudd
Jenas
O'Hara/Tarrabt/Bale/Gilberto

That's not such a bad second string (and we may even sign Capel aswell) - also, there's Zokora and a few of the youth team boys who will get a sniff.

It also means we can sell; Steed, Kaboul, Chimbo, TT, Ghaly, KPB and still have plenty of players for the season.

Also, the players who are left, are all experienced players.


On a side note, we had enough cash to bring in Bentley AND a DM before this Berbs/Keano thing blew up. If we get stupid money for those two, and £30 million for the rest of the player sales (I haven't included the clear-out of defence), we'll be sitting on £60-£80 million to spend on 2 strikers.

Bloody hell!! :beer:

 

[Paq]

At first I was of that opinion

Then I had a look at the squad roster and saw that it was massive. If we sign a holding player and Bentley (I don't think this is too far fetched) our midfield would be:

Bentley
DM
Modric
Dos Santos

Second string

Lennon
Hudd
Jenas
O'Hara/Tarrabt/Bale/Gilberto

That's not such a bad second string (and we may even sign Capel aswell) - also, there's Zokora and a few of the youth team boys who will get a sniff.

It also means we can sell; Steed, Kaboul, Chimbo, TT, Ghaly, KPB and still have plenty of players for the season.

Also, the players who are left, are all experienced players.


On a side note, we had enough cash to bring in Bentley AND a DM before this Berbs/Keano thing blew up. If we get stupid money for those two, and £30 million for the rest of the player sales (I haven't included the clear-out of defence), we'll be sitting on £60-£80 million to spend on 2 strikers.

Bloody hell!! :beer:

Fair point, well made. I guess I just suffer a bit from the 'better the devil you know' syndrome. Modric, despite his class, is untested in the Prem - as is Dos Santos. We haven't signed Bentley (yet) or a DM. To be able to rely on the versatility, goals and experience of Steed (as a back-up) would make me more comfortable than relying on O' Hara/Gilberto/Tarrabt.

Still, I'm sure we'll be fine. In Ramos we trust!

 

[hellava_tough]

Fair point, well made. I guess I just suffer a bit from the 'better the devil you know' syndrome. Modric, despite his class, is untested in the Prem - as is Dos Santos. We haven't signed Bentley (yet) or a DM. To be able to rely on the versatility, goals and experience of Steed (as a back-up) would make me more comfortable than relying on O' Hara/Gilberto/Tarrabt.

Still, I'm sure we'll be fine. In Ramos we trust!

I understand you completely, and think what you're saying makes sense.

But we're now (or soon to be ray: ) in the enviable position of having the likes of Jenas, Hudd (who I can't wait to see this year) and Lennon, as squad players.

Incidently, if we sell Keano and Berbs for the reported figure, Pool and Man Utd will have shot themselves in the foot.

Why?

Because I think we can spend that cash to create a much more effective squad without Berbs and Keane, to that of a squad WITH Berbs and Keane.

But we still need to sign the players ray:

 

[hodspurs]

people who think keane will be so easy to replace should look what happened when carrick left..

 

[hellava_tough]

people who think keane will be so easy to replace should look what happened when carrick left..

I think Keane will be easier to replace than Carrick.

Carrick was the lynch pin of our team - Keane is not.

Carrick is a rarity in that he's a defensive midfielder who enhances his teams attacking play - Keane is a forward with a good work ethic, good skills and the ability to find space and a goal in the final third. I believe we will be able to find a replacement who can do all of the above, AND be able to convert one on one chances.

 

[Bonjour]

GDS is the closest thing we'll find for a Keano replacement.

imo of course.

 

[senseispab]

Losing Berbatov is a tragedy. The others (Keane, Malbranque & Co.) can easily be replaced.

Agreed

Without CL football we were always going to lose Berbs though.

 

[Thesoccershrink]

Lets be honest here for all his ability Berbatov put the effort in whenever it suited him - if he performed in every game the way he played against Bolton when we were down to 10 men,he would be irreplaceable but he did'nt.
Therefore he was never a SPURS TEAM player because he did'nt give 100% in every game and that has a negative effect on young players - gives them the impression that they can play whenever they want to!
Keane scored a lot of goals but in his overall play he jumped out of tackles and headers constantly,ran about a lot but with no real passion or intent.
Therefore he was never a SPURS TEAM player because again he did'nt give 100% of himself and that has a negative effect on young players - gives them the impression they can play for us without aggression or passion!
Ramos warned all the players last year that they were playing for their futures - if they did not believe him then,they certainly do now!
Our future is in the hands of Ramos and he will certainly not tolerate any player that does'nt give 100% or the team!
THE TEAM IS EVERYTHING!

Spot On:clap:

We've heard a lot about the need for a "winning mentality."
You get that with total commitment 100% of the time from everybody. On that score, as much skill as Berba has, he probably needs to be replaced. Chimbonda, too.

 

[Krafty]

They say 'better the devil you know' and I think it represents how a lot of fans felt (before the tapping up at least)

Ramos hasnt got any loyalties and he can be pretty much unbias in his assessment, whereas we all think 'but he worked so hard' or 'he scored so many goals' or 'he is so good at those little flicks'. We could get in another player who isnt so flashy but just as affective, and in the end we will have a new hero to cheer.

 

[striebs]

At first I was of that opinion

Then I had a look at the squad roster and saw that it was massive. If we sign a holding player and Bentley (I don't think this is too far fetched) our midfield would be:

Bentley
DM
Modric
Dos Santos

Second string

Lennon
Hudd
Jenas
O'Hara/Tarrabt/Bale/Gilberto

That's not such a bad second string (and we may even sign Capel aswell) - also, there's Zokora and a few of the youth team boys who will get a sniff.

It also means we can sell; Steed, Kaboul, Chimbo, TT, Ghaly, KPB and still have plenty of players for the season.

Such a huge number of midfielders indicates a failure of any of them to reach their potential and the club just going out and buying some more (who don't reach their potential either) and it becomes a cycle .

Why on earth for instance did the club go all out for dross like KPB ?

How few players actually seem to improve once they join Spurs .