An interesting insight in to Pochettino courtesy of a Saints fan

[sloth]

I don't think I've said I can't understand why Pochettino was chosen or one of the candidates, just that from everything we have available to us regular bods, the games we've seen, the reports, the analysis of their philosophies, the stats, the testimonials etc, I find FDB an incredibly strong candidate.

I can understand why Pochettino was on the short list and why he may have been selected. I am not disappointed with his selection, and can dig much of what he is trying to do, and am relishing the press fest. I just think, based on what I have seen, read and know of FDB's time at Ajax, he ticked just about every box, plus he has that very rare but very important winning "thing". As others said, he wants to win at everything he does. And so far, he has. That invisible and impossible to quantify or measure character trait that a few have.

If I had to guess, I would bet that Levy was advised that FDB's football was very similar in style to AVB's and that may have scared him.

Anyway, I tell you what the last couple of seasons the most exciting part has been the summer bit before it all begins and no one knows.

 

[Gilzeanking]

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It gives my arse a headache watching us spend ages trying to take a long throw (which inevitably gets intercepted anyway as they're always looping and never long anyway) giving the opposition al the time in the world to get all nice and organised back behind the ball and telegraph ready to counter.

Our throws are a disgrace imo . Seeing Real zoom throws back into play in the recent final reminded me of how effective a superfast throw in can be . Athletico were rarely ready . Throws don't need to disrupt momentum and can be an attacking tool .

 

[Ribble]

Our throws are a disgrace imo

They've been utter shite for years now, could see Vertonghen especially getting quite pissed off at the lack of urgency shown when we have a throw on the left.

 

[mill]

I don't think I've said I can't understand why Pochettino was chosen or one of the candidates, just that from everything we have available to us regular bods, the games we've seen, the reports, the analysis of their philosophies, the stats, the testimonials etc, I find FDB an incredibly strong candidate.

I can understand why Pochettino was on the short list and why he may have been selected. I am not disappointed with his selection, and can dig much of what he is trying to do, and am relishing the press fest. I just think, based on what I have seen, read and know of FDB's time at Ajax, he ticked just about every box, plus he has that very rare but very important winning "thing". As others said, he wants to win at everything he does. And so far, he has. That invisible and impossible to quantify or measure character trait that a few have.

If I had to guess, I would bet that Levy was advised that FDB's football was very similar in style to AVB's and that may have scared him.

I've heard a lot on here about fdb being a winner but he wouldn't be winning the title with spurs any time soon if he was in charge and no one knows how he'll cope with not winning

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I've heard a lot on here about fdb being a winner but he wouldn't be winning the title with spurs any time soon if he was in charge and no one knows how he'll cope with not winning

Rodgers nearly did (and I don't even think he has that pure winning mentality). Simeone has just done (and he definitely does).

 

[Thailand_Yid]

What do you really know about FdB BC? Or the Eredivise? Or Ajax? The state of their rivals etc...? I'm not sure any of could claim that the kind of diligence we're capable of carrying out would really cut the mustard... there are lots of unanswered questions regards FdB and Poch. For me the crucial question was one of experience, one had coached in more than one league and at clubs of less resource than their rivals, including in our league, however the other has experience of playing in multiple competitions, managing a large squad, and dealing with a larger pool of talented players.

The point is I don't think it's straight forward at all for us to judge, I favoured Poch, but i can see why you and others went for FdB, but I'd never make out that Poch was so obviously superior that I couldn't have understood why FdB was chosen.

PL= OVERRATED

My Onions in spoilers

Spoiler

Even Thailand Lady boy( just for laugh) team can Beat Man United , Arsenal 1999 full team of WC Champion..

(Don't asking why Thailand still no where in world football, we play football for healthy.)

PL is Massive OVERRATED ..

No need massive experienced all around the world, Eredivisie 4 straight wins and UCL and Europa football every year is more than good enough.

Arsene who? just won title in second seasons came from J-League.

Many Players from Eredivisie won things and individual rewards easily.

Spoiler

What PL football Is?
PL = Run, Rush, Hoofing the Ball, loosing the ball every 5 seconds,Ping Pong Style football, Love at tackle, and Good at Drama.

PL beyond other leagues just for "Marketing","Good Camera ankle televised","Big Money Budget" "Language easy to understand" and "fair TV revenue".
other than that PL is not better than La Liga, Bundes Liga , Serie A, Eredivisie, france ligue
and Portugese league.

In term of "FOOTBALL" wise , all of them are above PL .

I can dare to say If FDB can take control Spurs or any other Big teams Likes Arsenal, City, Liverpool he might win Title just one or two seasons. Any others Potential managers can easily do that.

From what I have seen most of time spurs playing like a joking club, and full of circus
footballers.

Sorry to harsh and bit offence but that my onion, PL just good at Money and Marketing not
football.

I hate when people just underrated any others leagues.

And Ajax is the real football club produced real footballer, football Know how.They football go
around the world in modern football, people always forget that. I'd easily welcome any players
or coaching staff from Ajax any day, I like Pochettino too and what he did with Southampton but
when I know we also look at Ajax man FDB and his team like Jaap Stamp no need to say anything
what a chance! All of them playing in World Beater teams before, Spain, Italy,Holland, even
England and learnt many of coaching style from world class manager but people still just
ignorant to says they just one club one league exp, I do believe coaching skills should have
learn since you're a player, you see it everyday for 15-20 years career.

PL= OVERRATED
WHY I STILL WATCH IT! I DON"T KNOW CAN'T STOP! BUT IT OVERRATED!

 

[mill]

Rodgers nearly did (and I don't even think he has that pure winning mentality). Simeone has just done (and he definitely does).

Athleitico was a one off, not many examples of it in the big leagues in the last few years is there? Pl being a good example, only utd and scum have won it without huge outside financial backing. The example of Rodgers is pathetic, nearly winning isn't winning.

edit: the point I'm getting at bc is no one knows how fdb will cope when it's not all going his way and he's being doubted, questioned possibly ridiculed and real pressure is on him, different kettle of fish to plenty of backslapping and so much tongue his ring's never been so clean

 

[SlickMongoose]

Even Thailand Lady boy( just for laugh) team can Beat Man United , Arsenal 1999 full team of WC Champion..
(Don't asking why Thailand still no where in world football, we play football for healthy.)

Brilliant.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Athleitico was a one off, not many examples of it in the big leagues in the last few years is there? Pl being a good example, only utd and scum have won it without huge outside financial backing. The example of Rodgers is pathetic, nearly winning isn't winning

Nearly winning the league for a club like us would be "winning". It would be winning us a guaranteed place in the CL for the first time.

I don't expect FDB or any coach to be able to win us the league every year, but a coach with the right mentality and ability to coach/teach/inspire combined with the shrewd management of our resources could see us do better than we have, better than maybe our wage bill dictates, and that is surely what we are seeking.

The correlation between success and wage bill exists, but it isn't precise, it isn't a rigorous algorithm of exacts. What we need, what any team like us needs, is a coach who can maximise his resources into out performing by one or two places on a regular basis. That is what Rodgers did. That is what Simeone did. That is what Klopp did, and Magath (Wolfsburg 2009), Armin Veh (Stuggart 2007), etc etc.

My point is that it is possible, and in FDB there was an example of a guy who repeatedly proved he can maximise his resources for the best possible outcome.

For us, that might no mean winning the league, but it might mean a few more points and an improvement of one or two places which in turn could mean CL football. Which for us, would be "winning".

 

[Metalhead]

Nearly winning the league for a club like us would be "winning". It would be winning us a guaranteed place in the CL for the first time.

I don't expect FDB or any coach to be able to win us the league every year, but a coach with the right mentality and ability to coach/teach/inspire combined with the shrewd management of our resources could see us do better than we have, better than maybe our wage bill dictates, and that is surely what we are seeking.

The correlation between success and wage bill exists, but it isn't precise, it isn't a rigorous algorithm of exacts. What we need, what any team like us needs, is a coach who can maximise his resources into out performing by one or two places on a regular basis. That is what Rodgers did. That is what Simeone did. That is what Klopp did, and Magath (Wolfsburg 2009), Armin Veh (Stuggart 2007), etc etc.

My point is that it is possible, and in FDB there was an example of a guy who repeatedly proved he can maximise his resources for the best possible outcome.

For us, that might no mean winning the league, but it might mean a few more points and an improvement of one or two places which in turn could mean CL football. Which for us, would be "winning".

I wouldn't call Levy an expert on recruiting coaches but he must have had a good reason for not plumping for someone with FDB's attributes. If you had to take a guess what would it be?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

PL= OVERRATED

My Onions in spoilers

Spoiler

Even Thailand Lady boy( just for laugh) team can Beat Man United , Arsenal 1999 full team of WC Champion..

(Don't asking why Thailand still no where in world football, we play football for healthy.)

PL is Massive OVERRATED ..

No need massive experienced all around the world, Eredivisie 4 straight wins and UCL and Europa football every year is more than good enough.

Arsene who? just won title in second seasons came from J-League.

Many Players from Eredivisie won things and individual rewards easily.

Spoiler

What PL football Is?
PL = Run, Rush, Hoofing the Ball, loosing the ball every 5 seconds,Ping Pong Style football, Love at tackle, and Good at Drama.

PL beyond other leagues just for "Marketing","Good Camera ankle televised","Big Money Budget" "Language easy to understand" and "fair TV revenue".
other than that PL is not better than La Liga, Bundes Liga , Serie A, Eredivisie, france ligue
and Portugese league.

In term of "FOOTBALL" wise , all of them are above PL .

I can dare to say If FDB can take control Spurs or any other Big teams Likes Arsenal, City, Liverpool he might win Title just one or two seasons. Any others Potential managers can easily do that.
From what I have seen most of time spurs playing like a joking club, and full of circus
footballers.

Sorry to harsh and bit offence but that my onion, PL just good at Money and Marketing not
football.

I hate when people just underrated any others leagues.

And Ajax is the real football club produced real footballer, football Know how.They football go
around the world in modern football, people always forget that. I'd easily welcome any players
or coaching staff from Ajax any day, I like Pochettino too and what he did with Southampton but
when I know we also look at Ajax man FDB and his team like Jaap Stamp no need to say anything
what a chance! All of them playing in World Beater teams before, Spain, Italy,Holland, even
England and learnt many of coaching style from world class manager but people still just
ignorant to says they just one club one league exp, I do believe coaching skills should have
learn since you're a player, you see it everyday for 15-20 years career.

PL= OVERRATED
WHY I STILL WATCH IT! I DON"T KNOW CAN'T STOP! BUT IT OVERRATED!

 

[beats1]

I wouldn't call Levy an expert on recruiting coaches but he must have had a good reason for not plumping for someone with FDB's attributes. If you had to take a guess what would it be?

I think the reason is pure and simple, Levy has his advisors and they wouldnt of seen much of FDB compared to Pochettino at southampton, I don't think Levy would have many people lobbying for him.

Lets not forget this is a man who wanted to make Hughes manager

 

[Metalhead]

I think the reason is pure and simple, Levy has his advisors and they wouldnt of seen much of FDB compared to Pochettino at southampton, I don't think Levy would have many people lobbying for him.

Lets not forget this is a man who wanted to make Hughes manager

Bit worrying if that's all it came down to.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I wouldn't call Levy an expert on recruiting coaches but he must have had a good reason for not plumping for someone with FDB's attributes. If you had to take a guess what would it be?

My best guess would be that someone advised Levy that his playing style was of the more patient, possession based type and he feared another AVB type scenario where junior fans were blubbing and stamping their feet and complaining to their parents because they weren't getting 4-3 score lines every week.

That or his brother's indiscretion.

 

[Metalhead]

My best guess would be that someone advised Levy that his playing style was of the more patient, possession based type and he feared another AVB type scenario where junior fans were blubbing and stamping their feet and complaining to their parents because they weren't getting 4-3 score lines every week.

That or his brother's indiscretion.

Oh yes, maybe it was both of those reasons.

 

[JerryGarcia]

PL= OVERRATED

My Onions in spoilers

Spoiler

Even Thailand Lady boy( just for laugh) team can Beat Man United , Arsenal 1999 full team of WC Champion..

(Don't asking why Thailand still no where in world football, we play football for healthy.)

PL is Massive OVERRATED ..

No need massive experienced all around the world, Eredivisie 4 straight wins and UCL and Europa football every year is more than good enough.

Arsene who? just won title in second seasons came from J-League.

Many Players from Eredivisie won things and individual rewards easily.

Spoiler

What PL football Is?
PL = Run, Rush, Hoofing the Ball, loosing the ball every 5 seconds,Ping Pong Style football, Love at tackle, and Good at Drama.

PL beyond other leagues just for "Marketing","Good Camera ankle televised","Big Money Budget" "Language easy to understand" and "fair TV revenue".
other than that PL is not better than La Liga, Bundes Liga , Serie A, Eredivisie, france ligue
and Portugese league.

In term of "FOOTBALL" wise , all of them are above PL .

I can dare to say If FDB can take control Spurs or any other Big teams Likes Arsenal, City, Liverpool he might win Title just one or two seasons. Any others Potential managers can easily do that.
From what I have seen most of time spurs playing like a joking club, and full of circus
footballers.

Sorry to harsh and bit offence but that my onion, PL just good at Money and Marketing not
football.

I hate when people just underrated any others leagues.

And Ajax is the real football club produced real footballer, football Know how.They football go
around the world in modern football, people always forget that. I'd easily welcome any players
or coaching staff from Ajax any day, I like Pochettino too and what he did with Southampton but
when I know we also look at Ajax man FDB and his team like Jaap Stamp no need to say anything
what a chance! All of them playing in World Beater teams before, Spain, Italy,Holland, even
England and learnt many of coaching style from world class manager but people still just
ignorant to says they just one club one league exp, I do believe coaching skills should have
learn since you're a player, you see it everyday for 15-20 years career.

PL= OVERRATED
WHY I STILL WATCH IT! I DON"T KNOW CAN'T STOP! BUT IT OVERRATED!

You deserve to win something for that post, wow.

 

[Montasura]

PL= OVERRATED

My Onions in spoilers

Spoiler

Even Thailand Lady boy( just for laugh) team can Beat Man United , Arsenal 1999 full team of WC Champion..

(Don't asking why Thailand still no where in world football, we play football for healthy.)

PL is Massive OVERRATED ..

No need massive experienced all around the world, Eredivisie 4 straight wins and UCL and Europa football every year is more than good enough.

Arsene who? just won title in second seasons came from J-League.

Many Players from Eredivisie won things and individual rewards easily.

Spoiler

What PL football Is?
PL = Run, Rush, Hoofing the Ball, loosing the ball every 5 seconds,Ping Pong Style football, Love at tackle, and Good at Drama.

PL beyond other leagues just for "Marketing","Good Camera ankle televised","Big Money Budget" "Language easy to understand" and "fair TV revenue".
other than that PL is not better than La Liga, Bundes Liga , Serie A, Eredivisie, france ligue
and Portugese league.

In term of "FOOTBALL" wise , all of them are above PL .

I can dare to say If FDB can take control Spurs or any other Big teams Likes Arsenal, City, Liverpool he might win Title just one or two seasons. Any others Potential managers can easily do that.
From what I have seen most of time spurs playing like a joking club, and full of circus
footballers.

Sorry to harsh and bit offence but that my onion, PL just good at Money and Marketing not
football.

I hate when people just underrated any others leagues.

And Ajax is the real football club produced real footballer, football Know how.They football go
around the world in modern football, people always forget that. I'd easily welcome any players
or coaching staff from Ajax any day, I like Pochettino too and what he did with Southampton but
when I know we also look at Ajax man FDB and his team like Jaap Stamp no need to say anything
what a chance! All of them playing in World Beater teams before, Spain, Italy,Holland, even
England and learnt many of coaching style from world class manager but people still just
ignorant to says they just one club one league exp, I do believe coaching skills should have
learn since you're a player, you see it everyday for 15-20 years career.

PL= OVERRATED
WHY I STILL WATCH IT! I DON"T KNOW CAN'T STOP! BUT IT OVERRATED!

Have you met Spursking yet? A distant relative perhaps? Or maybe you are Spursking in disguise?

 

[Yid]

Did Yakin not just get sacked for playing some of the most boring football ever seen in Switzerland?

Maybe. I know fuck all about his style of play. All I know is he's done far better in Europe than FdB on similar budget (I believe), and won the league twice in two years. Oh and he's Swiss, as are the owners of ze Saints.

Yakin is a bright young manager who will be a perfect fit for Southampton IMHO. He was not fired for boring football AFAIK...he was fired for not exceeding last year's accomplishments, which is a crock AFAIAC.
He won the Swiss Super League (granted, relatively speaking they're shit, but still) his 1st year, and took Basel to an unprecedented EL semifinals (that's considering he inherited the team which sold Shaqiri to Bayern & Xhaka to Monchengladbach...and only won 4 out of the fist 11 games) ....Yakin went on to beat Chelsea twice in the CL and was also victorious against us in the EL!!
This year his squad was decimated with injuries (and he already lost most of his best players -->> Dragovic left and Frei retired, etc.)....Schar (their best player IMO) was out injured for something close to 3 months IIRC. Salah was eventually sold to the Chavs, etc. And still Yakin managed to take his team to win the league once again, and advance to the EL quarterfinals. They didn't quite make the Semis like the year before, but they succeeded in eliminating the top-scoring Salzburg side (the same RB Salzburg who annihilated De Boer's Ajax in both legs of their respective EL matchup)...then proceeded to also beat Valencia (same team who embarrassed Barça at Camp Nou btw) 3 - 0 in the 1st leg of the QF, but later losing on the rebound 5 - 0 in the 2nd leg...So overall 3 - 5 on aggregate.

I don't think his style of football is boring...He's tactically flexible, with an attacking approach that is dynamic & high-tempo...Basel under him played possession-oriented, accurate, quick pass & move football, with emphasis on instant pressing (when out of possession). So in that respect his philosophy is similar to two of my personal favorites (Tuchel @ Mainz and our very own - one and only PochSpur

Whew, apologies for the lengthy explanation. Didn't mean to go off on a tangent.

 

[ButchCassidy]

Yakin is a bright young manager who will be a perfect fit for Southampton IMHO. He was not fired for boring football AFAIK...he was fired for not exceeding last year's accomplishments, which is a crock AFAIAC.
He won the Swiss Super League (granted, relatively speaking they're shit, but still) his 1st year, and took Basel to an unprecedented EL semifinals (that's considering he inherited the team which sold Shaqiri to Bayern & Xhaka to Monchengladbach...and only won 4 out of the fist 11 games) ....Yakin went on to beat Chelsea twice in the CL and was also victorious against us in the EL!!
This year his squad was decimated with injuries (and he already lost most of his best players -->> Dragovic left and Frei retired, etc.)....Schar (their best player IMO) was out injured for something close to 3 months IIRC. Salah was eventually sold to the Chavs, etc. And still Yakin managed to take his team to win the league once again, and advance to the EL quarterfinals. They didn't quite make the Semis like the year before, but they succeeded in eliminating the top-scoring Salzburg side (the same RB Salzburg who annihilated De Boer's Ajax in both legs of their respective EL matchup)...then proceeded to also beat Valencia (same team who embarrassed Barça at Camp Nou btw) 3 - 0 in the 1st leg of the QF, but later losing on the rebound 5 - 0 in the 2nd leg...So overall 3 - 5 on aggregate.

I don't think his style of football is boring...He's tactically flexible, with an attacking approach that is dynamic & high-tempo...Basel under him played possession-oriented, accurate, quick pass & move football, with emphasis on instant pressing (when out of possession). So in that respect his philosophy is similar to two of my personal favorites (Tuchel @ Mainz and our very own - one and only PochSpur

Whew, apologies for the lengthy explanation. Didn't mean to go off on a tangent.

All I know is what I have heard from Basel fans, which is that they are not too sad to see him go. Winning the Swiss League with Basel is hardly an accomplishment. They've won five in a row and nine times since 2002. Their team is worth 2.5x more what the second most valuable team in the league is - what would be the equivalent of AC Milan playing in the Belgian league.

I feel like a lot of people have only seen Basel against us and Chelsea and assume they play free attacking football all the time, which is absolutely not the case. In Switzerland, playing against teams with one tenth their budget, they played very defensive football focused on not conceding rather than scoring. They played 2 CDMs more often than not, and as soon as they got a 1-0 lead Yakin would sub on a fifth defender and set up shop. They won the league (as is expected every season with their resources) but they did it as dull as could be, grinding out games and settling for draws rather than pushing on late in games.

Additionally, Yakin has a poor record with youth players. He did not bring anyone through his fort year at the club, and the few that eventually made it were pushed through by the President and the board pressuring Yakin. And this is Basel, whose academy has been pumping out talented youth for years now.

In summary, although he has clearly overachieved in Europe and deserves praise for that, he was absolutely not the right manager for us, he is in my opinion not the right manager for Southampton, and even Basel were not sad to see the back of him.

 

[Yid]

All I know is what I have heard from Basel fans, which is that they are not too sad to see him go. Winning the Swiss League with Basel is hardly an accomplishment. They've won five in a row and nine times since 2002. Their team is worth 2.5x more what the second most valuable team in the league is - what would be the equivalent of AC Milan playing in the Belgian league.

I feel like a lot of people have only seen Basel against us and Chelsea and assume they play free attacking football all the time, which is absolutely not the case. In Switzerland, playing against teams with one tenth their budget, they played very defensive football focused on not conceding rather than scoring. They played 2 CDMs more often than not, and as soon as they got a 1-0 lead Yakin would sub on a fifth defender and set up shop. They won the league (as is expected every season with their resources) but they did it as dull as could be, grinding out games and settling for draws rather than pushing on late in games.

Additionally, Yakin has a poor record with youth players. He did not bring anyone through his fort year at the club, and the few that eventually made it were pushed through by the President and the board pressuring Yakin. And this is Basel, whose academy has been pumping out talented youth for years now.

In summary, although he has clearly overachieved in Europe and deserves praise for that, he was absolutely not the right manager for us, he is in my opinion not the right manager for Southampton, and even Basel were not sad to see the back of him.

I didn't say he was the right manager for us. If you notice I emphasized Poch & Tuchel as my two personal favorites (w/ Favre and FDB being close 3rd & 4th favorites), but that's a discussion for another time I suppose.
Yakin is a pretty good fit for Southampton in my opinion. Aside from a couple of other names out there, I don't believe they could do much better under the circumstances. I've seen some of their supporters talk about Tuchel as a potential candidate. But I would be equally shocked & gutted if Southampton are able to somehow accomplish that type of coup ((Tuchel's way over their heads IMO)).
In regards to Basel and its internal office politics, I am not too familiar. And I haven't spoken to any of their fans. I did however watch a few of their games over the years ((outside of the EPL I follow mostly Eredivisie, some Bundesliga, and little bits of everything else)), and as far as I could see there was a marked improvement from pre-Yakin Basel (specifically under Fink & Vogel) to the club under Yakin himself.
Many others also share the opinion that despite of having some really talented youngsters (such as Dragovic, Xhaka, Shaqiri, etc), the pre-Yakin team was extremely lucky to pull off some huge upsets in Europe and such. Whereas Yakin's victories over us and the Chavs along with the other European success seems to be rightly attributed to Yakin's tactical acumen. Even Mourinho referred to his skillful approach as "beautiful" or something to that effect.
I am not saying he is a genius by any means, but he did over-achieve with the limited resources at his disposal and bad injury woes (in his 2nd year).
You are however correct about him lacking in the youth development department, and the fact that his achievements were more pronounced in Europe as opposed to the SSL.