Andros Townsend

[Nine while nine]

4-5 pages on the warm-down incident so far and no-one has characterised his reaction as 'over the top'. For shame.

Still, now he's been dropped, I hope he gets a chance to clear his head.



Which will make a nice change from clearing the keeper's anyway.

 

[jezz]

You've got me there.

But then again that wouldn't have been a first offence

Fair play, personally I would have been calling for the firing squad if that had been Ade

 

[spurs9]

So my question to you fine folks is, as it does look likely he may depart soon, what are some realistic outcomes you're hoping for as far as replacements? So far, I believe the only proposition I've seen is an Oduwa recall, which is fair enough, but does Oduwa have much right sided experience? Do you folks feel as if Oduwa playing in that spot would be a good enough 2nd choice for when we're playing the midweek matches, including hopefully the knockout rounds in Europe in the spring?

No new signing needed, just bring back Oduwa IMO. A lot of Oduwa's mins for Rangers have come from the right and he has played there quite a few times for our youth teams and England's too. I posted in a different thread, that I was hoping our EL/midweek team would have had Oduwa, Pritchard and Njie behind a new striker. If we let Townsend go in Jan, bring in a new striker & recall Oduwa, I will be more than happy. Even if we didn't bring in another striker, we could have Oduwa, Pritchard and Chadli behind Njie.

At the moment we have 3 AM's injured (possibly 4 depending on if Njie is injured) and 2 CMs (was 3 but Mason is fit enough to sub on but not start), yet have coped and Townsend hasn't seen much mins in that time. That amount of injuries to those positions can't be the norm.

Another thing to consider is Townsend isn't really 2nd choice AMR anyway, as Dembele tends to be played there instead.

 

[mattie g]

Total over reaction.

Pochettino is right. Things change very quickly in football. Same applies to him.

This should have been conducted behind close doors, not hang a player out to dry like this. I'm embarrassed for Pochettino.

I'll indulge this, as well.

Ol' Red Nose would unceremoniously move players on if he felt that they were getting too big for their britches or if they acted up in any way. That's one the of the many strong points about him as manager: any funny stuff - especially challenging his authority - and you'll get a walloping. If you become a habitual offender, then out the door you go.

Make a public matter of it, then fully expect that the manager will need to respond publicly to it in order to maintain that authority over all of "his" players.

 

[arunspurs]

Over the years, we have had so many managers. Never had a manager who puts emphasis on team before individuals. Unlike past managers, Pochettino doesn't seem to have a personal agenda . For the first time, in a long time, I feel I can trust a Spurs manager 100%. Results are secondary but there is integrity in our current coaching staffs.

Our coaching staffs in general, are invisible to cameras,unlike the lot at Chelsea. They genuinely look to improve the squad in football & life in general. They don't seem to show favouritism to certain players , unlike likes of Harry & AVB. Its so refreshing to see. Their principle is simple - "be disciplined, train hard, play hard. You will get your reward in return"

What Townsend did was wrong and he is paying the price for it. He has to realise that it is going to be tough for him to get game time. He is a Spurs through and through. But this is a profession for him too. Its time he starts to look at his own career elsewhere.

 

[HildoSpur]

He is obviously frustrated that he isn't getting much minutes in the team - no excuse for his actions though really, he should be more professional than that. I'm afraid Andros needs to realise he just is not good enough to be a regular in our team and either look to move to a lower level team or work his arse off in training to try and force his way into the team. Acting like brat is not going to make it any easier to get selected.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Total over reaction.

Pochettino is right. Things change very quickly in football. Same applies to him.

This should have been conducted behind close doors, not hang a player out to dry like this. I'm embarrassed for Pochettino.

If this had been a training ground dust up, it would have been handled behind closed doors - seemingly like whatever took place last year.

Instead, Townsend create a public scene, captured by photographers, and made very public.

It sounds to me like Pochettino and Townsend spoke in private, the discipline was issued, and that can be the end of it - if Townsend chooses to come back and compete for a spot. Its up to Townsend now.

As for the press - I don't think Pochettino hung Townsend out to dry. He imposed discipline, and offered a way back for Townsend. He understood Townsend's frustration as a player, but also knows there are better ways to handle that frustration.

 

[vigospur]

I actually like him a lot. But the still photos of his behaviour show a disrespectful, bolshie attitude that was never going to be tolerated by this manager.
I doubt if Pochettino has written him off. But the ball is totally in the player's court.

 

[DaSpurs]

No new signing needed, just bring back Oduwa IMO. A lot of Oduwa's mins for Rangers have come from the right and he has played there quite a few times for our youth teams and England's too. I posted in a different thread, that I was hoping our EL/midweek team would have had Oduwa, Pritchard and Njie behind a new striker. If we let Townsend go in Jan, bring in a new striker & recall Oduwa, I will be more than happy. Even if we didn't bring in another striker, we could have Oduwa, Pritchard and Chadli behind Njie.

At the moment we have 3 AM's injured (possibly 4 depending on if Njie is injured) and 2 CMs (was 3 but Mason is fit enough to sub on but not start), yet have coped and Townsend hasn't seen much mins in that time. That amount of injuries to those positions can't be the norm.

Another thing to consider is Townsend isn't really 2nd choice AMR anyway, as Dembele tends to be played there instead.

Has Dembele ever been played there directly over an available Townsend though? If my memory serves me correctly, Dembele was getting those selections at RW when Lamela was looking to be shipped off and Townsend had a niggle.

As for the rest of your post, thank you for your answer and I dig your reasoning.

 

[spurs9]

Has Dembele ever been played there directly over an available Townsend though? If my memory serves me correctly, Dembele was getting those selections at RW when Lamela was looking to be shipped off and Townsend had a niggle.

As for the rest of your post, thank you for your answer and I dig your reasoning.

You could be right, I forgot Townsend was injured at the start of the season. At the very least though, we prefer to play Dembele AMC than move Lamlea there (his best position IMO) and play Townsend AMR.

 

[Misfit]

Total over reaction.

Pochettino is right. Things change very quickly in football. Same applies to him.

This should have been conducted behind close doors, not hang a player out to dry like this. I'm embarrassed for Pochettino.

Not discussing this particular player etc, this could have been any player, but it's about setting a standard. Something this club hasn't had in decades. It's not easy and sometimes it can cause the club doing it pain in the short-term but the clubs that do take this approach reap the benefits in the long-term.

 

[Misfit]

The bloke was obviously frustrated and I think an arm round the shoulder rather than Pochettino playing the big man would have benefited everyone.

Not only has he created a schism but he has left himself open to have to come down like a ton of bricks on any misdemeanor in the future, no matter how trivial.

Townsend was obviously pissed off having to warm down when he hadn't even taken tracksuit off.

I get the Townsend haters are loving this and there is plenty of you but this a needless way of treating a player clearly needing a bit of positive energy.

So the next time a player feels a bit pissed off he can take the piss publically then yeah? Well, it's a standard I guess. Not sure which successful clubs employ that standard though.

The players have a huge amount of power as is but at least those that do are usually established international superstars. It's bad enough then.

 

[Mustard]

So the next time a player feels a bit pissed off he can take the piss publically then yeah? Well, it's a standard I guess. Not sure which successful clubs employ that standard though.

The players have a huge amount of power as is but at least those that do are usually established international superstars. It's bad enough then.

My point is more that he was showing frustration. Not disrespecting the shirt or the club etc.

I just feel its different. I'm not defending his actions and sure a quiet was needed but suspension and a public flogging?

 

[Misfit]

My point is more that he was showing frustration. Not disrespecting the shirt or the club etc.

I just feel its different. I'm not defending his actions and sure a quiet was needed but suspension and a public flogging?

Well I assume he wasn't being friendly to his coach at the time, in essence his boss. I mean, I think it's like Poch said, it's been done and dusted. He'll take a punishment and we'll move on afresh.

As for the public aspect of it, it was unfortunately public. Maybe Andros should have had a word behind closed doors and this would have been addressed in private. Keep in mind that this is a message to the individual player in question obviously but also one to each and every player in the squad. A reminder to HL and JV down to Winks et al that this is what the club expects. Never hurts.

 

[Sevens]

My point is more that he was showing frustration. Not disrespecting the shirt or the club etc.

I just feel its different. I'm not defending his actions and sure a quiet was needed but suspension and a public flogging?

I think it was very over the top, especially as this kind of thing happens all the time. This time it got caught on camera after the fans had left. Poor man management in my opinion and probably worse it would have lowered his market value for January if clubs know that he is definitely surplus to requirements (which he surely is now that Lamela seems to have re-found favour after the club actively touting him around in the Summer).

 

[Misfit]

Nup, you're right. The players should be allowed to challenge the coaches' authority with little consequence. That's how you build a winning club right thur!

 

[Sevens]

Nup, you're right. The players should be allowed to challenge the coaches' authority with little consequence. That's how you build a winning club right thur!

No one is saying he shouldn't have been disciplined. But these things should be dealt with in-house. A simple "we are aware of the incident and it has been dealt with internally" would have sufficed rather than publically humiliating him.

 

[Misfit]

No one is saying he shouldn't have been disciplined. But these things should be dealt with in-house. A simple "we are aware of the incident and it has been dealt with internally" would have sufficed rather than publically humiliating him.

Would it though? Maybe it was handled this way just because the initial incident was pubic or maybe this isn't the first time there's been a problem and so in order to try and make the point more effectively they handled it differently. And it doesn't even have to involve the same player each time for the situation to change. This isn't just about Andros which is the wider point others are making.

And there's been no public humiliation. We're all adults here and the ones were discussing are strongly driven professional athletes who earn millions. Let's not act like they're infants.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

He's 24 years old now he really needs to think about being a regular prem starter somewhere because its not going to happen at Spurs. And Son is 23 and that is the gulf in quality between the two.

 

[Snarfalicious]

About 2 more months left in what can only be described as a frustrating breakthrough into the first team. He's got so much physical talent, just doesn't seem like much else.