Ange Postecoglou backs refs as he reiterates Spurs beliefs

[mawspurs]

Ange Postecoglou suffered his first league defeat as Tottenham manager against Chelsea last night.

The former Celtic boss has totally won over the hearts and minds of the Spurs faithful as their unbeaten run from the start of the season until November got all the fans onside.

Source: Glasgow Times

 

[OnTheUp]

It's great that he wants to accept responsibility, but putting pressure on refs so that they're scared to give decisions against you seems to be what the successful teams do.

Neither Romero or Udogie should have seen red as they both got to the ball first.

 

[ralvy]

It's great that he wants to accept responsibility, but putting pressure on refs so that they're scared to give decisions against you seems to be what the successful teams do.

Neither Romero or Udogie should have seen red as they both got to the ball first.

Look, I'm not one to defend Oliver, I think he's a terrible referee that has something against us but, a red car is not solely given in response to the outcome of a play, but they are also there to punish reckless behavior from players that had a very good chance of causing sever injury to another player. In that sense, Romero's red card was fully justified. Udogi's was just a second yellow, and his fault was clearly yellow card material.

Both Romero and Udogie let us down yesterday (specially the former, who was just behaving like an idiot), and next time they should also be aware of who's officiating their game, because Michal Oliver apparently doesn't need many excuses to apply game changing decisions against us.

 

[OnTheUp]

Look, I'm not one to defend Oliver, I think he's a terrible referee that has something against us but, a red car is not solely given in response to the outcome of a play, but they are also there to punish reckless behavior from players that had a very good chance of causing sever injury to another player. In that sense, Romero's red card was fully justified. Udogi's was just a second yellow, and his fault was clearly yellow card material.

Both Romero and Udogie let us down yesterday (specially the former, who was just behaving like an idiot), and next time they should also be aware of who's officiating their game, because Michal Oliver apparently doesn't need many excuses to apply game changing decisions against us.

Challenges like those go unpunished every game. There's a dbl standard when it comes to Spurs. If the club doesn't call that out, we simply won't get as many decisions our way compared to clubs who do complain.

I don't like it but it's what will happen.

 

[dontcallme]

Challenges like those go unpunished every game. There's a dbl standard when it comes to Spurs. If the club doesn't call that out, we simply won't get as many decisions our way compared to clubs who do complain.

I don't like it but it's what will happen.

One of the things I've respected about our response to the game is the club haven't played the victim. I was at the game and most of the fans responded positively to the game and the player's performance.

Fortunately, you're in the minority with the Liverpool/Arsenal mindset of thinking "they're" out to get us.

 

[OnTheUp]

One of the things I've respected about our response to the game is the club haven't played the victim. I was at the game and most of the fans responded positively to the game and the player's performance.

Fortunately, you're in the minority with the Liverpool/Arsenal mindset of thinking "they're" out to get us.

And for as long ss we have fans like you, unwilling to defend players for legitimate challenges, we'll never win anything.

 

[dontcallme]

And for as long ss we have fans like you, unwilling to defend players for legitimate challenges, we'll never win anything.

The decisions were correct anyway.

 

[1882andallthat]

And for as long ss we have fans like you, unwilling to defend players for legitimate challenges, we'll never win anything.

They may have been legitimate challenges a long while ago but they're not now, it's plainly obvious they're not which is why players are given red cards whether you connect with part of the ball or nearly all of it. The only reason Udogie wasn't given a red card is because he didn't connect with Sterling's leg as he got it out of the way just in time.

It's not a case of trying to defend players for making legitimate challenges, they are not legitimate anymore so we need to play the game by the rules as they are now, not how they were or how we'd like them to be.

Ironically playing by the rules as we'd like them to be and making challenges like Udogie amd Romero did will definitely not see us win anything, if we did that game after game we'd be on the losing side in most games because we would be playing almost every game with fewer players on the pitch and almost our entire first 11 would be unavailable for future games as they'd constantly be serving bans / suspensions.

 

[OnTheUp]

They may have been legitimate challenges a long while ago but they're not now, it's plainly obvious they're not which is why players are given red cards whether you connect with part of the ball or nearly all of it. The only reason Udogie wasn't given a red card is because he didn't connect with Sterling's leg as he got it out of the way just in time.

It's not a case of trying to defend players for making legitimate challenges, they are not legitimate anymore so we need to play the game by the rules as they are now, not how they were or how we'd like them to be.

Ironically playing by the rules as we'd like them to be and making challenges like Udogie amd Romero did will definitely not see us win anything, if we did that game after game we'd be on the losing side in most games because we would be playing almost every game with fewer players on the pitch and almost our entire first 11 would be unavailable for future games as they'd constantly be serving bans / suspensions.

they are legitimate challenges when other teams make them. Why is that? Because refs are scared to give them against teams who backup their players.

 

[dontcallme]

they are legitimate challenges when other teams make them. Why is that? Because refs are scared to give them against teams who backup their players.

That’s simply not true.

Udogie laid down in resignation after the foul for the 2nd yellow, he knew he was gone. Romero’s tackle was simply dangerous.

If what you are saying is true, Liverpool wouldn’t have had 2 players sent off against us..

Having a victim mentality is a really detrimental way to live your life.

Edit: if what you are saying is true Liverpool wouldn't have 2 players sent off against us and Newcastle's goal would have been ruled out against Arsenal.

 

[qqq1]

It's great that he wants to accept responsibility, but putting pressure on refs so that they're scared to give decisions against you seems to be what the successful teams do.

Neither Romero or Udogie should have seen red as they both got to the ball first.

Romero was lucky to be on the pitch to make that tackle.

 

[1882andallthat]

they are legitimate challenges when other teams make them. Why is that? Because refs are scared to give them against teams who backup their players.

As has been alluded to this is not true. Curtis Jones got part of the ball first when he was sent off for Liverpool against us before his studs collided with Bissouma's shin in a follow through tackle, albeit he got less of the ball than Romero did, but he was still sent off by receiving a straight red card so it's not just Spurs players who are getting sent off for tackles like this despite connecting with the ball or part of the ball first.

 

[Trix]

And for as long ss we have fans like you, unwilling to defend players for legitimate challenges, we'll never win anything.

Did you watch the game on a black and white TV?

 

[chas vs dave]

Did you watch the game on a black and white TV?

I thought it was borderline.

Still, he didn't need to follow through and allow the question to be asked. That's on him.

 

[Trix]

I thought it was borderline.

Still, he didn't need to follow through and allow the question to be asked. That's on him.

Nothing borderline about it for my money. If your studs make contact with the oppositions shin with force in the the modern game expect an early bath. Winning or playing the ball is irrelevant.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I'm still on the fence on whether it was a straight red or not as well. The Jones one was more obvious.

Romero cleared the ball. The Chelsea player was never in possession of it - and it was him moving in later than Romero that meant his follow through made contact. It wasn't a jump or a stamp.

In my opinion it wasn't serious foul play that endangers an opponent.

Maybe reckless. Not convinced. But that's a yellow.

 

[Japhet]

Challenges like those go unpunished every game. There's a dbl standard when it comes to Spurs. If the club doesn't call that out, we simply won't get as many decisions our way compared to clubs who do complain.

I don't like it but it's what will happen.

Infinitely preferable to being managed by a grizzling cry baby like Arteta or Klopp imo.

 

[OnTheUp]

Nothing borderline about it for my money. If your studs make contact with the oppositions shin with force in the the modern game expect an early bath. Winning or playing the ball is irrelevant.

Romero's eye was on the ball and he had every right to go for it, as did the Chelsea player. Just because in a fraction of a second, after Romero wins the ball, his foot impacts the Chelsea players shin, does not make it a red.

 

[theShiznit]

I'm still on the fence on whether it was a straight red or not as well. The Jones one was more obvious.

Romero cleared the ball. The Chelsea player was never in possession of it - and it was him moving in later than Romero that meant his follow through made contact. It wasn't a jump or a stamp.

In my opinion it wasn't serious foul play that endangers an opponent.

Maybe reckless. Not convinced. But that's a yellow.

Romero is still in the old school of thinking he can get away with clearing everything out man and ball, and it will often lead to red/yellow cards now, where as once it was just well he got the ball.

I believe the only reason VAR recommended a red card was because they cannot instruct the ref to give a second yellow, and knew Romero should be off so recommended a red.

That's why i thought we may appeal it, as it's in no way worse than Jones' and his appeal was not punished for a frivolous appeal.

 

[Trix]

Romero's eye was on the ball and he had every right to go for it, as did the Chelsea player. Just because in a fraction of a second, after Romero wins the ball, his foot impacts the Chelsea players shin, does not make it a red.

Yes it does. Just as Curtis Davies was a red against us. Honestly whether he meant it or not is completely immaterial.