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Are City and Chelsea bigger clubs than Spurs now?
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JUSTINSIGNAL
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Man City and Chelsea are both big than Spurs.
Money means more than history in modern football.
Money means more than history in modern football.
kungfugrip
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Don't really care who is the bigger club to be honest. Just want Spurs to do well and compete seriously for trophies.
kevinfish
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Spurs hold several European records:
The first British club to win a major European competition - European Cup Winners Cup (1963)
The first British club to win two different European Trophies - European Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup.
British record of eight consecutive victories in major European competition
Most matches played in the UEFA Cup by a British club
The first ever club to win the UEFA Cup (1972)
The first team to score two or more goals in every UEFA Champions League group game (2010-11)
The first new comer to UEFA Champions League to qualify from the group stages
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The first British club to win a major European competition - European Cup Winners Cup (1963)
The first British club to win two different European Trophies - European Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup.
British record of eight consecutive victories in major European competition
Most matches played in the UEFA Cup by a British club
The first ever club to win the UEFA Cup (1972)
The first team to score two or more goals in every UEFA Champions League group game (2010-11)
The first new comer to UEFA Champions League to qualify from the group stages
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Dov67
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Even Blackburn managed to buy a title.
if some billionaire pumped several hundred million into Souhampton or Wigan, they too would "win" a trophy or two.
The telling sign came 4 years ago at Wembley. There must have been 2 or maybe 3 Spurs fans for every Chelsea fan at Wembley that day. During the celebrations after the game when all the chelsea fans had gone home, there were pockets of thousands of Spurs in the chelsea end, singing and dancing. I remember Alan Brazil saying he travelled to the game by tube and couldnt believe the disparity in the number of fans.
if some billionaire pumped several hundred million into Souhampton or Wigan, they too would "win" a trophy or two.
The telling sign came 4 years ago at Wembley. There must have been 2 or maybe 3 Spurs fans for every Chelsea fan at Wembley that day. During the celebrations after the game when all the chelsea fans had gone home, there were pockets of thousands of Spurs in the chelsea end, singing and dancing. I remember Alan Brazil saying he travelled to the game by tube and couldnt believe the disparity in the number of fans.
myhartlane
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I'm aware of all this and very proud but unfortunately I often get trumped by chelscum fans saying "yeah alright mate but when did you last win the League, FA Cup or Champions League".
HodisGawd
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Look, you can argue they have become bigger, yes, but I like our club how it is and I wouldn't want us to suddenly have the massive injection of cash and an invasion of plastic fans that would make us bigger again. That would ruin White Hart Lane and our club. Our club is great to be a part of as a fan AND we've got hope of being successful (unfortunately in the modern era unlike so many other clubs who haven't got a chance in hell of winning anything). That's what matters to me. Size of dick isn't everything, it's how you use it.
chiversandgilzean
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Chelsea is a richer more recently successful club than us and may well be bigger, if that means recent pots and worldwide support base in the modern global view of football. I don't really think big is the right word when discussing clubs though it is the one always used.
But I think we remain a greater club than them with more substance, tradition and class. Mind that applies to all other league clubs that are not Chelsea, bar perhaps MK Dons. I think the wider football world considers us their equal, at the very least, as a club if not team. Which is testament to us given our travails since the premier league, though these are mainly due to our own errors. We should however be a little embarrassed about how mediocre we've been in the premier league era.
I think they are seen for what they are, a financial doped club run by a gangster on dirty money and the misery of millions of Russians and supported by far more than its fair share of dregs. They don't seem to be taken too seriously by the majority of football fans it seems to me, even if as I do they loath them.
I was discussing such matters over a pint with some fellow Spurs fans the other week and we genuinely felt that while we had been jealous of other successful clubs winning the big ones, league titles and European trophies in our time watching football (some 40 years), including Arsenal, we put our disgust of Chelsea (on and off the pitch) to one side and agreed that we felt a little sorry for them. We didn't feel jealous at all about their recent "success". Nauseous but not jealous.
They don't quite get the credit, quite rightly, other clubs have for the same trophies. They've won league titles and even the CL last season but the way they have won them (on and off the pitch) hasn't escaped too many I think. They were a music hall joke for many many years and now they are winning things they remain a joke, albeit a more modern and grotesque one, but a joke club all the same. The epitome of all that is sick about modern football.
Really an asterisk needs to be put by all of their recent titles, and let's not forget they were a hair's breadth from doing a Leeds or Pompey, so far were they living beyond their means under Bates. So an asterisk needs puitting by their cup wins in the 90s too.
Manchester City is, historically and now, a genuinely "big and great"" club imo. Though I think a good many people have an asterisk in their head when considering their recent achievements too.
Mind, I've moved into my later 40s and have been watching football since the start of the 70s, so it is likely a generational view. If it carries on I reckon the younger ones will see them as a bigger and greater club than us, as that's all they will have known. Hopefully I'm long in the ground by then.
In short (sic), in football there are big clubs and great clubs. They can be a big club but they'll never be a great club, which, modestly, I think we remain, though we need to pull our finger out just a little bit more.
But I think we remain a greater club than them with more substance, tradition and class. Mind that applies to all other league clubs that are not Chelsea, bar perhaps MK Dons. I think the wider football world considers us their equal, at the very least, as a club if not team. Which is testament to us given our travails since the premier league, though these are mainly due to our own errors. We should however be a little embarrassed about how mediocre we've been in the premier league era.
I think they are seen for what they are, a financial doped club run by a gangster on dirty money and the misery of millions of Russians and supported by far more than its fair share of dregs. They don't seem to be taken too seriously by the majority of football fans it seems to me, even if as I do they loath them.
I was discussing such matters over a pint with some fellow Spurs fans the other week and we genuinely felt that while we had been jealous of other successful clubs winning the big ones, league titles and European trophies in our time watching football (some 40 years), including Arsenal, we put our disgust of Chelsea (on and off the pitch) to one side and agreed that we felt a little sorry for them. We didn't feel jealous at all about their recent "success". Nauseous but not jealous.
They don't quite get the credit, quite rightly, other clubs have for the same trophies. They've won league titles and even the CL last season but the way they have won them (on and off the pitch) hasn't escaped too many I think. They were a music hall joke for many many years and now they are winning things they remain a joke, albeit a more modern and grotesque one, but a joke club all the same. The epitome of all that is sick about modern football.
Really an asterisk needs to be put by all of their recent titles, and let's not forget they were a hair's breadth from doing a Leeds or Pompey, so far were they living beyond their means under Bates. So an asterisk needs puitting by their cup wins in the 90s too.
Manchester City is, historically and now, a genuinely "big and great"" club imo. Though I think a good many people have an asterisk in their head when considering their recent achievements too.
Mind, I've moved into my later 40s and have been watching football since the start of the 70s, so it is likely a generational view. If it carries on I reckon the younger ones will see them as a bigger and greater club than us, as that's all they will have known. Hopefully I'm long in the ground by then.
In short (sic), in football there are big clubs and great clubs. They can be a big club but they'll never be a great club, which, modestly, I think we remain, though we need to pull our finger out just a little bit more.
kungfugrip
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Maybe, but come on, Chelsea have been to 17 major finals in the last 10 years (domestic and Europe). We have had three league cup finals in that time. Maybe our fans get a bit more excited at going to the League Cup Final than Chelsea fans. It's an afterthought for them. It's the only trophy we've threatend to win in years.
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worcestersauce
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Yes but not like chelsea whose support never matched any of those three let alone us.
That made laugh out loud .La La La <NOT LISTENING>
ultimateloner
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Without a doubt Chelsea's bigger than us, not sure about City yet (haven't had enough success over long enough time).
Those who believe otherwise think Spurs have longer/richer tradition. That is true. However the sport has grown global. What makes you big is no longer the number of grassroot supporters, or the 'families' that come watch the game then hang out at a pub etc. What matters is global profile. If you look outside of UK, to US/Asia/Middle East, what Blake Griffin says rings true; people will only be interested in the clubs he mentioned. This is why i believe that over the long term we are more likely to get smaller and smaller. We haven't invested enough to globalize when the PL has grown into the most watched fball league in the world.
Those who believe otherwise think Spurs have longer/richer tradition. That is true. However the sport has grown global. What makes you big is no longer the number of grassroot supporters, or the 'families' that come watch the game then hang out at a pub etc. What matters is global profile. If you look outside of UK, to US/Asia/Middle East, what Blake Griffin says rings true; people will only be interested in the clubs he mentioned. This is why i believe that over the long term we are more likely to get smaller and smaller. We haven't invested enough to globalize when the PL has grown into the most watched fball league in the world.
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