Arsenal

[Dougal]

Those saying that Arsenal need a midfield enforcer are missing the point surely, what they need is a complete overhaul in their mentality. They've needed midfield enforcers (Xhaka, Elneny, Coquelin) They've needed players with winning mentalities (Cech, Sanchez), They've needed an experienced defender (Mustafi) and yet here we are yet again. The same fans saying that they need Benzema and they'll win the league, no it's totally missing the point. What they need to do is to rid of their mediocre mentality and lack of fight and address that first and foremost and improve the players who are already at the club to turn them into leaders. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to fix it...if it does fix it then it's temporary.

Yeah. But who cares?

 

[DiscoD1882]

Those saying that Arsenal need a midfield enforcer are missing the point surely, what they need is a complete overhaul in their mentality. They've needed midfield enforcers (Xhaka, Elneny, Coquelin) They've needed players with winning mentalities (Cech, Sanchez), They've needed an experienced defender (Mustafi) and yet here we are yet again. The same fans saying that they need Benzema and they'll win the league, no it's totally missing the point. What they need to do is to rid of their mediocre mentality and lack of fight and address that first and foremost and improve the players who are already at the club to turn them into leaders. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to fix it...if it does fix it then it's temporary.

yep. Even Chelsea with the self proclaimed chosen one and some of the most expensive players on the planet couldn't get it together last year. Wenger is no longer an innovator. He is a dinosaur. keep hold of him at all costs I say.

 

[fletch82]

Its blatantly all set up for romans funny mate slutsy to take over nxt season with that huge warchest
50mill on igor slagsy for starter's

 

[mpickard2087]

I agree with a lot of your points, but I still think that the fans are undermining the club.

They have been soft in midfield for eons, a premiership proven midfield terrier would do them the world of good, but if last summer they had gone for say, Victor Wanyama (£12M), their fans would have been up in arms that he wasn't good enough for the club and Wenger should be "splashing the cash" and they should have gone with someone more glamorous like say, Granit Xhaka (£38M), well we've seen how that worked out.

Now a lot of our fans weren't too keen on Wanyama, because he wasn't glamorous enough playing for Southampton and a number of people on this forum were saying that we should have signed exotic foreign players I've never heard of instead. Wanyama has been great in my opinion and Poch was in a secure enough position to not be under pressure over transfers and do what he thought was right for the club not what the fans wanted. I'm just hoping that if we do win a thing or too we won't join cloud cuckoo land like their lot and start undermining our own club.

Yes but that goes for 99% of football fans. Most are never happy and want that one more signing and to spend even more money. For fans, improvement = buy more players. The last couple of summers we have had fans on here moaning that the likes of Newcastle and Leicester have 'shown more ambition' than us for instance...

Those running a football club though should be ignoring this, getting on with the job and proving the fans for the idiots that we are. I also think it is an irrelevant argument. With Arsenal it is a huge number of factors that have left the fans at breaking point, not simply how much money has been spent on transfers.

 

[Insomnia]

Its blatantly all set up for romans funny mate slutsy to take over nxt season with that huge warchest
50mill on igor slagsy for starter's

I have absolutely no idea what this means, am I being thick?

 

[fletch82]

I have absolutely no idea what this means, am I being thick?

Roman is sponsoring and helping this slightly odd (quite a jolly fella)chap slutski or whatever he's name is to become a premier league manager
Igor slagski i just made up because the other guys name was slut and i thought they went well together
It was funny in my head but maybe should have stayed there

 

[remember91]

Agreed.

If anything, throwing money at it has caused a large part of their problems. Not in transfer fees so much, but in repeatedly rewarding mediocre and complacent players with fat contracts.

Roman is sponsoring and helping this slightly odd (quite a jolly fella)chap slutski or whatever he's name is to become a premier league manager
Igor slagski i just made up because the other guys name was slut and i thought they went well together
It was funny in my head but maybe should have stayed there

Is this the guy who managed Russia at the Euros? If I remember correctly they finished bottom of the group and the style of football they played made Sam Allardyce look like Pep Guardiola. If I also remember correctly he also managed that Moscow side we played in the Champions league who had a champions league record for the number of games without a clean sheet and were the only team we could beat (Twice including once at Wembley!)

If it is him, I think he would make an awesome Arsenal manager.

 

[fletch82]

Is this the guy who managed Russia at the Euros? If I remember correctly they finished bottom of the group and the style of football they played made Sam Allardyce look like Pep Guardiola. If I also remember correctly he also managed that Moscow side we played in the Champions league who had a champions league record for the number of games without a clean sheet and were the only team we could beat (Twice including once at Wembley!)

If it is him, I think he would make an awesome Arsenal manager.

Might well be him he definitely managed in russia jolly funny chap id love to see him as goonies penance for wanting change he was all over sky sports news yesterday
Hes living in romans coal bunker and using chavs facilities to become the next big thing here.

 

[Japhet]

I think it's interesting that the style of paly has, in some respects gone full circle. 25 years ago the Italians and Spanish would play a slow tempo game with very accurate passing and explosive finishers, and the game in England was criticised for being frantic and inaccurate. Wenger came along, plundered the French league for the players he wanted and instilled a ball retention/passing ethos at Arsenal and was hailed as an innovator, but times have changed now. Poch has us playing ball retention/passing football with a very high energy (a la Bielsa) which many more are trying to emulate but Wenger has been left behind. He has become a dinosaur.

 

[SUIYHA]

I have to say that yeah we can draw parallels with our situation pre Poch when Sherwood was managing us, a lot of what's happening at Arsenal in regards to the disconnect between fans and players and management as well as player's not playing for the shirt we can at least say that we had a man who cared about the club in Daniel Levy and he's always had the club and it's fans best interests at heart.

If Arsenal still had David Dein this wouldn't be happening or if it was it would be sorted pretty quickly but they don't so I think they're pretty fucked for the time being.

I've always been a Levyite (I think you guys call them BSODL on this board), but mine was not a popular opinion amongst our fan base when Sherwood was manager.

I guess the difference is that Sherwood, even though he was appointed as "permanent" manager, was clearly only ever a temporary fix and would be removed in the summer. Wenger is flirting with the idea of staying and that's what's getting to them most, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[riggi]

As much as I'm loving every minute of Arsenal's misery, I can't say I'm deriving much pleasure from seeing Wenger humiliated. It's just not nice to watch.

PEOPLE HAVE AGREED?!!!

 

[GMI]

Is this the guy who managed Russia at the Euros? If I remember correctly they finished bottom of the group and the style of football they played made Sam Allardyce look like Pep Guardiola. If I also remember correctly he also managed that Moscow side we played in the Champions league who had a champions league record for the number of games without a clean sheet and were the only team we could beat (Twice including once at Wembley!)

If it is him, I think he would make an awesome Arsenal manager.

They interviewed the Russian chap on Sky Sports News yesterday and he was gushing in his praise of Spurs. He said our forward three of Kane, Alli and Eriksen were the second best forward line in Europe, behind Messi, Neymar and Suarez.

 

[Gb160]

PEOPLE HAVE AGREED?!!!

The games gone...

 

[SUIYHA]

On another note - am I the only one who's still worried they might finish above us?

We need 11 points from the final 7 games to make it mathematically certain, but Bournemouth this weekend is the only one that I'd call a "banker". We only took 9 points from our final seven last season and history suggests that an end of season burn out from the double training sessions is imminent...

After 2006, 2012, 2013 and 2016, surely we all know not to count our chickens before they've hatched. Could really do with Boro taking some points off them on Monday to kill them off before they start to smell blood.

 

[Pellshek]

PEOPLE HAVE AGREED?!!!

Yup, about 20% of those who rated the post. A healthy sliver of discernment.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Seems that every single day their players feature on the social media bit of the BBC gossip page. Seems they're more bothered about this than winning games!

Bellerin today but it's usually ozil and his dog....who look uncannily similar to eachother.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/gossip

A frogdog?

 

[riggi]

Yup, about 20% of those who rated the post. A healthy sliver of discernment.

I thought you would of come to your senses by now..

 

[Shadydan]

On another note - am I the only one who's still worried they might finish above us?

We need 11 points from the final 7 games to make it mathematically certain, but Bournemouth this weekend is the only one that I'd call a "banker". We only took 9 points from our final seven last season and history suggests that an end of season burn out from the double training sessions is imminent...

After 2006, 2012, 2013 and 2016, surely we all know not to count our chickens before they've hatched. Could really do with Boro taking some points off them on Monday to kill them off before they start to smell blood.

Yeah but you worry about everything tbf

 

[shelfmonkey]

They've got themselves into a shit situation, the only person (apart from Kronke) who can technically sack himself is Wenger, none of the other guys on the board have that power. Kronke likes Wenger and understands what he's done for Arsenal and appreciates his loyalty so he won't get rid of him. Wenger doesn't want to leave because he thinks he's not done at Arsenal (he is) The players aren't playing for him and clearly want him to leave and all this uncertainty over Wenger's contract is causing uncertainty over their future's as well seeing as there's quite a few of them with a year left on their contracts they don't know whether to re-sign or not and the fans are just utterley pissed off with the each other, the players, the management and the board.

You couldn't make this shit up, it's beautiful

Whinger is a canny old bastard, he'll announce his decision in the week before the NLD, if it's 'I'm staying' we should do OK, if it's 'I'm off' it will be a nervy affair to watch for us!

 

[Spurrific]

I thought you would of come to your senses by now..

I hate you sometimes, riggi.