cliff jones
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Set piece champions.
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Wig
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Whilst I'd agree with you from watching today's game, they've scored the most and conceded the fewest goals this season. They've got an ability to grind out results. We should have got at least a draw today, yet the pricks come away with all 3 points, thinking "job done". Gutted
rossdapep
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Very well drilled .
But then Arteta has been there 5 years so they bloody well should be.
Another factor is that we don't have a dearth of attacking quality in this league.
A lot of teams are a bit meh.
Which means a solid defensive unit is going to be more consistent
Oh Teddy Teddy
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They are, though. Their second half was due to fatigue, let’s be honest.
edit: christ, fine, they’re not!
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Yes, I did regret that comparison when I posted it. I love 90's Bowie's and must formally apologise for comparing him to Ben White.
They've got the officials in their pockets this season. Or at least at the back end of it. It's either corruption because the powers that be want to manufacture a title race or because Arsenal are in on the corruption imo.
Before you all disagree because you think we should have done better yesterday. Yes there is truth in that (even though we outplayed them in every measurable metric except the scoreline) but also truth that they got every single important call in their favour yesterday. Even being the right side of a 2 goal swing decision. I thought we were the home team?
They got away with White fouling Vicario and Havertz fouling VDV on the 3rd. Pen not given to Kulu on the 2nd giving them a 2 goal swing on the counter. Pushing Romero in the box so his header hits the post in the first half. Questionable line drawing on the VDV goal. They draw the line to Gabriel's feet instead of his fat bum sticking out. The list is endless. That much favour from officials in a key game can't just be luck and coincidence.
And if you think the league is a squeaky clean 'fair' competition with no corruption, you need to reconsider your outlook. Inevitably where there's big money, there's corruption.
Before you all disagree because you think we should have done better yesterday. Yes there is truth in that (even though we outplayed them in every measurable metric except the scoreline) but also truth that they got every single important call in their favour yesterday. Even being the right side of a 2 goal swing decision. I thought we were the home team?
They got away with White fouling Vicario and Havertz fouling VDV on the 3rd. Pen not given to Kulu on the 2nd giving them a 2 goal swing on the counter. Pushing Romero in the box so his header hits the post in the first half. Questionable line drawing on the VDV goal. They draw the line to Gabriel's feet instead of his fat bum sticking out. The list is endless. That much favour from officials in a key game can't just be luck and coincidence.
And if you think the league is a squeaky clean 'fair' competition with no corruption, you need to reconsider your outlook. Inevitably where there's big money, there's corruption.
millhouse
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I put this in the match thread
The Spanish league the Italian league the German league have had their refereeing scandals
We haven’t had one in England, with the money involved in our League I find it hard to believe that it isn't happening here
The Spanish league the Italian league the German league have had their refereeing scandals
We haven’t had one in England, with the money involved in our League I find it hard to believe that it isn't happening here
Timbo Tottenham
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Post in thread 'What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 23/24'
https://spurscommunity.co.uk/index....are-saying-about-us-23-24.153944/post-8711842
https://spurscommunity.co.uk/index....are-saying-about-us-23-24.153944/post-8711842
'And if you think the league is a squeaky clean 'fair' competition with no corruption, you need to reconsider your outlook. Inevitably where there's big money, there's corruption.'
In fact if you can openly declare that this league is a fair competition with no VAR gamesmanship, and only the best team ever wins purely on merit, you must be incredibly naive.
ernie78
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I feel there’s a sort of willingness to overlook or allow things in a similar way there was in the Leicester season.
I fully believe that, should they win it this season, next season Arteta will be spoken to about his touchline behaviour and there’ll be a clamp down on the theatrics and mid game team talks.
Just like Huth was allowed to man handle teams at every corner and the following year was penalised each time.
I fully believe that, should they win it this season, next season Arteta will be spoken to about his touchline behaviour and there’ll be a clamp down on the theatrics and mid game team talks.
Just like Huth was allowed to man handle teams at every corner and the following year was penalised each time.
jurgen
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The story goes (relayed to me by scouse-supporting family member, who isn't actually that one-eyed), that Michael Oliver refereed in UAE and therefore may have some vested interests related to City. Yet here he is not giving a pen against their title rivals when he's stood about 2 feet from a man having his bollocks shattered in the box.
If there is corruption, I think it resides more in the cartel of referees who protect one another's incompetence week after week, and are increasingly using VAR to absolve themselves of making big decisions. Bad decisions are too random, generally speaking, although we might wonder whether we've suffered because of the huge and public shitfest that came from their incompetence in the Liverpool match.
That being said, they don't get much protection from above (like my previous post about Arsenal's public statements - certain managers seem to say what they want about refs without censure), so on one level I can understand refs wanting to close ranks.
Agree that there is likely to be a clamp down on certain behaviours they are letting go this season, but how long will that last? Yellow cards for getting in the refs face didn't seem to last that long.
Electric fence around the technical area would sort out legohead straight away, it's worth exploring as an idea.
Yeah I’m not really buying the ‘corruption’ idea as such in terms of them trying to create a certain team to win the league.
There is however an ongoing cover up of the sheer incompetence many of the officials show - I think it is as simple as hoping VAR bails them out more often than not, but this season has been the most incomprehensibly bad season for refereeing, just, laughably bad. Zero consistency.
Any proper refereeing board would look at Sunday, call Oliver in and ask him (about a number of things perhaps) about his decision to not award a penalty when he’s standing four feet away from a pair of players, the ball from every angle of reply has clearly gone, and one swings a leg and kicks the other straight in the nuts. You could see it from the crowd, you could see it on TV, even Neville immediately called it on commentary. It wasn’t in a trying to be dramatic way either, it was just the most clear and obvious penalty that every existed.
Yet Oliver motioned with his hands and said no as if it was obvious that it was the complete obvious. In that instance, putting all the other decisions to one side, he was making a clear definitive choice to not give the only answer that could be given and i’d really like to know what that is.
I’m not sure like others he’s getting little brown envelopes, but if he can look at that incident in real time or via replay and say that isn’t a penalty given the view of it he had, then for me, that decision alone would be enough for him to not be going to the euros and not be refereeing in any sort of meaningful league.
He shouldn’t be refereeing another top level game until he can explain that one.
There is however an ongoing cover up of the sheer incompetence many of the officials show - I think it is as simple as hoping VAR bails them out more often than not, but this season has been the most incomprehensibly bad season for refereeing, just, laughably bad. Zero consistency.
Any proper refereeing board would look at Sunday, call Oliver in and ask him (about a number of things perhaps) about his decision to not award a penalty when he’s standing four feet away from a pair of players, the ball from every angle of reply has clearly gone, and one swings a leg and kicks the other straight in the nuts. You could see it from the crowd, you could see it on TV, even Neville immediately called it on commentary. It wasn’t in a trying to be dramatic way either, it was just the most clear and obvious penalty that every existed.
Yet Oliver motioned with his hands and said no as if it was obvious that it was the complete obvious. In that instance, putting all the other decisions to one side, he was making a clear definitive choice to not give the only answer that could be given and i’d really like to know what that is.
I’m not sure like others he’s getting little brown envelopes, but if he can look at that incident in real time or via replay and say that isn’t a penalty given the view of it he had, then for me, that decision alone would be enough for him to not be going to the euros and not be refereeing in any sort of meaningful league.
He shouldn’t be refereeing another top level game until he can explain that one.
easley91
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I'd argue they're better than some on here have you believe, though. You can't deny defensively they have improved and Arteta, like him or not, has learned from last season. When we got it to 1-3 and the stadium was rocking following Raya's mistake I thought they would fold under pressure. They didn't and even Raya picked himself up and claimed every cross from then on with ease.
Okay Sunday wasn't their best attacking display, but over the course of the season they have shown they can mix it up and adapt. They smash teams they should, and held City away with a dogged defensive display.
Some people let their Spurs glasses get in the way of acknowledging that Arsenal have continued to improve and get better under Arteta. Believe me, his antics grate on me, but even I can admit he has learned from mistakes over the past few seasons. And that's what a manager should do.
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Their new jersey has the shape of a bottle
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I knew they were spawny ****s but they are statistically the 3rd luckiest team in the league and luckiest of the big 6, according to the Luck Index.
This is based on VAR decisions, injuries in game, hitting the woodwork, big chances missed for and against.
This is true. But who on here would honestly give Ange 5 seasons to achieve that sort of stability. Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th before last year when they finally clicked.
Their fans all wanted Arteta out by the end of the 2021/22 season. Look what happened when they stuck with him.
Some of our fans want Ange out already in his likely 5th place first season!
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