Arteta talking about us.
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He's not a Ramos style player when Ramos was at Sevilla. Ramos went for creativity out wide and strength, dynamism and althleticism in CM for Sevilla.
Just a few points there slothy, as you seem to have decided that he's going to replicate his Sevilla tactics here; which, for me, so far, have been not that forthcoming.
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TOTTENHAM’S Carling Cup triumph against Chelsea was Juande Ramos’ SECOND success this season.
The first was turning the lardies at the Lane into a lean, mean football machine.
The Spaniard was left in a state of shock to find his struggling stars overweight, unfit and eating junk when he first took charge at the end of October.
Now boss Ramos has fed the North Londoners with their first trophy in nine years — and they are hungry for more.
Ramos could not believe the grub former Spurs manager Martin Jol allowed the players to wolf down — and how unfit they were.
His assistant Marcos Alvarez made the sensational revelations in a conversation with Everton midfielder Mikel Arteta.
Alvarez described how Tottenham’s new technical team had to totally transform the squad’s training and dietary habits.
Arteta said: “Juande had already had success at Tottenham before Sunday’s final. He led Tottenham, a team that was in really bad shape only a couple of months ago, to recovery.
“I remember the day we played against them. I spoke for a while with Marcos Alvarez, their fitness coach, who was telling me how they found the squad when they arrived.
“Poor guy, he was recounting things that had left them stupefied — like how overweight the players were in general, or the dietary habits of some of the players there.
“He said they were stunned when they arrived at the restaurant and saw it full of sweets, cakes, Tabasco, mayonnaise, Coca-Cola . . .
“He told me they could not believe it — they had to do a pre-season in mid-December and change things radically.”
SunSport exclusively revealed how Ramos had signed up Spanish nutritional guru Dr Antonio Escribano — dubbed Dr Baby Food.
Escribano revolutionised Spurs’ diet and that, coupled with Alvarez’s intense fitness regime, resulted in players such as Paul Robinson and Jermaine Jenas looking leaner and fitter than ever.
JUANDE ... master chef
Ramos’ methods brought instant results. Spurs started climbing up the table and in the Carling Cup semi-final they thrashed Arsenal 5-1 — their first win over their hated rivals since 1999.
And the icing on the cake came when they overcame Chelsea 2-1 at Wembley to win their first trophy since 1999.
It is almost beyond belief to think that after more than a decade of constant talk of diet and proper nutrition for players which followed Arsene Wenger’s arrival at Arsenal there are still clubs that have the same bad old habits.
But Arteta insists eating junk is something which is prevalent at his own club Everton, with players still stuffing themselves with sweets and all kinds of things that “footballers should not eat”.
The Everton ace revealed he takes his own ingredients to the club’s cook and gives specific instructions how to cook the food because he cannot eat the fare served up at the club restaurant.
Speaking to Spanish paper El Mundo, Arteta (right) added: “The truth is they were astounded by something that for me already was something normal.
“In teams managed by foreigners this is something that is less and less frequent.
“But in teams like mine, it’s still an English tradition — this kind of food is our ‘daily bread’.
“When I arrived at Everton, the restaurant that we have in our training ground served fish and chips.
“But there are team-mates who are used to it and it’s difficult to make them change.
“So as a result when I arrived I started asking them to cook my pasta as I like it — and the rice . . . and the chicken breast, too!
“The truth is, I don’t like food with spices and I prefer to keep away from those sweets and cakes they wolf down in this country.
“So I bring my own rice and tomato sauce and tell Sue, our cook, how I want it done — with a little bit of garlic and some onion.”
Both the Everton staff and Tottenham’s players found the changes to their diet a little eccentric.
Yet along with the Carling Cup, Spurs also clinched a place in next season’s UEFA Cup.
Arteta added: “After the investment that they have made, they desperately needed to achieve this European place.”
The first was turning the lardies at the Lane into a lean, mean football machine.
The Spaniard was left in a state of shock to find his struggling stars overweight, unfit and eating junk when he first took charge at the end of October.
Now boss Ramos has fed the North Londoners with their first trophy in nine years — and they are hungry for more.
Ramos could not believe the grub former Spurs manager Martin Jol allowed the players to wolf down — and how unfit they were.
His assistant Marcos Alvarez made the sensational revelations in a conversation with Everton midfielder Mikel Arteta.
Alvarez described how Tottenham’s new technical team had to totally transform the squad’s training and dietary habits.
Arteta said: “Juande had already had success at Tottenham before Sunday’s final. He led Tottenham, a team that was in really bad shape only a couple of months ago, to recovery.
“I remember the day we played against them. I spoke for a while with Marcos Alvarez, their fitness coach, who was telling me how they found the squad when they arrived.
“Poor guy, he was recounting things that had left them stupefied — like how overweight the players were in general, or the dietary habits of some of the players there.
“He said they were stunned when they arrived at the restaurant and saw it full of sweets, cakes, Tabasco, mayonnaise, Coca-Cola . . .
“He told me they could not believe it — they had to do a pre-season in mid-December and change things radically.”
SunSport exclusively revealed how Ramos had signed up Spanish nutritional guru Dr Antonio Escribano — dubbed Dr Baby Food.
Escribano revolutionised Spurs’ diet and that, coupled with Alvarez’s intense fitness regime, resulted in players such as Paul Robinson and Jermaine Jenas looking leaner and fitter than ever.
Ramos’ methods brought instant results. Spurs started climbing up the table and in the Carling Cup semi-final they thrashed Arsenal 5-1 — their first win over their hated rivals since 1999.
And the icing on the cake came when they overcame Chelsea 2-1 at Wembley to win their first trophy since 1999.
It is almost beyond belief to think that after more than a decade of constant talk of diet and proper nutrition for players which followed Arsene Wenger’s arrival at Arsenal there are still clubs that have the same bad old habits.
But Arteta insists eating junk is something which is prevalent at his own club Everton, with players still stuffing themselves with sweets and all kinds of things that “footballers should not eat”.
The Everton ace revealed he takes his own ingredients to the club’s cook and gives specific instructions how to cook the food because he cannot eat the fare served up at the club restaurant.
Speaking to Spanish paper El Mundo, Arteta (right) added: “The truth is they were astounded by something that for me already was something normal.
“In teams managed by foreigners this is something that is less and less frequent.
“But in teams like mine, it’s still an English tradition — this kind of food is our ‘daily bread’.
“When I arrived at Everton, the restaurant that we have in our training ground served fish and chips.
“But there are team-mates who are used to it and it’s difficult to make them change.
“So as a result when I arrived I started asking them to cook my pasta as I like it — and the rice . . . and the chicken breast, too!
“The truth is, I don’t like food with spices and I prefer to keep away from those sweets and cakes they wolf down in this country.
“So I bring my own rice and tomato sauce and tell Sue, our cook, how I want it done — with a little bit of garlic and some onion.”
Both the Everton staff and Tottenham’s players found the changes to their diet a little eccentric.
Yet along with the Carling Cup, Spurs also clinched a place in next season’s UEFA Cup.
Arteta added: “After the investment that they have made, they desperately needed to achieve this European place.”
General Levy
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I would be up for that.:dance:
DEFchenkOE
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I agree, not the typr of player Ramos would sign I don't think. Plus sometimes Everton play him out left, and Ramos prefers left footed left sided players.
Arteta isn't a central midfield player, he operates best wide of a 5 in a 4-5-1 system wher his defensive duties are somewhat less than if he played in a conventional 4-4-2.
He's a decent player but I couldn't see where he would play for us in our current system and I certainly wouldn't be picking him in a 4-4-2 ahead of Lennon anytime soon.
He's a decent player but I couldn't see where he would play for us in our current system and I certainly wouldn't be picking him in a 4-4-2 ahead of Lennon anytime soon.
HuggyBear
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I think we'll have more luck with Gardner, not sure Everton would be interested in you.
Jack2
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I'm a little bit surprised, but I have to agree with Stoof on this!! Perhaps this was the "once in a lifetime" thing...! :grin:
Anyway I would love to see Arteta playing for us. Althought this article is from Sun, so it is more than likely just rubbish.
Yes and no. When Arteta was coming through the Barca youth system, he was a playmaker DCM type, in the style of Guardiola and Xavi. And that was precisely his problem: the Barca DCM succession seemed to be Guardiola to Xavi to Iniesta, which left no room for Arteta. And that's why Arteta was loaned out to the likes of Paris S-G, Rangers and Sociedad as a kid.
At Everton, Moyes like his DCMs to be destructive - hence he'll play the likes of Carsley, Phil Neville and Gravesen there, with Cahill as a third ACM. That means the flair, playmaker types - Arteta and Pienaar end up on the flanks. In other words, I think Arteta is a CM who's been converted by Moyes into a wide midfielder (which is what Redknapp has done with the likes of D'Alessandro and Krancjar).
It's interesting that the likes of Xavi and Iniesta no longer play the deep-lying Guardiola role for Barca, and are more conventional CMs. I suspect Arteta too would love to play as a CM rather than as a wide midfielder.
The real question for me is whether - pace the argument between Sloth & Stoof - Ramos would see Arteta as a Spurs CM. I can see arguments both for and against.
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But he doesn't have the players for this yet. You may well be right, Stoof, that he won't go this route, but indications from Ballugue's column indicate he wants attacking from the flanks.
We could argue that he doesn't have these players, but he didn't necessarily go for them in January, but it seems he was concentrating on defense. We'll see what happens in summer.
But if you are right, then Arteta is a great player for the team.
If Ramos sticks to his Seville system, then Arteta wouldn't be a good fit and we will have this same argument for the factions of people who will demand Diego, van der Vaart and all those other #10 and #10 wannabes.
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Two points i'd like to make, firstly Everton will not thank him for making comments on their own dietry habits!
Secondly, this supposedly overweight team of chubbers finished 5th two seasons running, so while I can appreciate that Ramos has made some changes, it can't have been all that bad before. Any manager that comes in makes changes, I think it's just been spun out of control by the media.
Secondly, this supposedly overweight team of chubbers finished 5th two seasons running, so while I can appreciate that Ramos has made some changes, it can't have been all that bad before. Any manager that comes in makes changes, I think it's just been spun out of control by the media.
Intersting, I never new the barca stuff, no disgrace either in being behind Guardiola and Xavi, 2 great players. Funnily enough Iniesta who I was never convinced about for a long long time is now looking the best player of all of them.
Back on point, I don't see Arteta having the tools to play in a 4-4-2 as a central midfield player and presuming that's the way Ramos wants to play longterm I don't think he's a player for us. It's 1 thing to be DCM in the more technical La Liga and another 1 to be a DCM in the more frantic Premiership.
To qualify this I think that Huddlestone would be awesome as a DCM in La Liga but still struggles to play that role in a conventional 4-4-2 in the Premiership.
Arteta is a very very good player but in my opinion isn't what we are looking for.
Yup. When Rijkaard introduced his own unique version of a 4-3-3 to Barca, the nature of the DCM role changed dramatically. And I think both Xavi and Iniesta have benefitted from playing alongside a physically strong, tackling, holding DCM (like Marquez, Edmilson, Yaya Toure). It gives them more freedom to get forward and use their passing skills higher up the pitch.
Interesting observations. I do think the key change Ramos has introduced into Jenas' game is to convert him from a box-to-box CM, to a more conventional CM. Jenas has talked about picking and choosing his forward runs more carefully, and concentrating more on the hard graft of closing down, breaking up opposition play and passing the ball simply and quickly. JJ does still get forward - to great effect as against the Arse in the CCSFs - but he also has a lot of defensive responsibility.
Given this, I do believe Ramos may try to put an Arteta type alongside him. It would be very brave. But hopefully Ramos is trying to make us even better than his Sevilla team. And if you look at their CM, it was always Poulsen plus a more creative type: eg Maresca, Renato, and this season, Keita.
Poulsen is a very intelligent team player (he fills in when flair players like Dani Alves bomb forward), but he's a very ordinary passer of the ball. For Ramos to abandon that type of player in favour of an Arteta, or a Lucho Gonzalez, would show big courage. But then we already know Juande has huge cojones...
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I like the way the article was mainly pointing out the difference between the diet on the continent or English sides with continental managers and clubs in this country with English managers and it is being seen as Arteta coming to Spurs. Firstly I agree that Arteta doen't fit the system that Ramos plays (provided he plays as he did at Sevilla, im not sure what system he played at his previous clubs) and secondly Everton aren't gonna sell there most creative player and a player Moyes has been saying for ages should be in the Spain squad
But Ramos inherited Steed, and Steed responded by playing out of his skin. I think Steed will play a lot of games for us next season - some of them on the right flank when Lennon gets a rest. But if the pair are ever fit at the same time, I'd expect Bale & Gilberto (both genuine left footers) to be our first choice left flank.
If Diego Capel really does have a £9 million release clause, then I'd expect him to be at the Lane by August as well. And if you think Jamie O'Hara is one-footed, wait till you see Capel week in week out. He's all left foot. But it is a very sweet leftie...
