AVB felt let down wanted to leave !! long read but worth it...

[michaelden]

The only thing that stinks for me in this is Tim Sherwood, Les Ferdinand and that other guy I can't remember his name but he's got a really vague job title. What did they do to help Spurs?

 

[Achap]

It's a very well written piece, and makes a lovely and convincing story. Doubtless there will be some validity to it and AVB may well have been unhappy with not getting his way. We all know ENIC run the club as an investment, and while that has definitely put us back near the top in recent years, it does repeatedly bite them in the ass after a while. Usually once they have had some success and suddenly get all impatient and unrealistic.

History repeats, lessons are never learned... it continues to amaze me how short sighted and impatiently the majority of football clubs are still run.

And 'supported'.

 

[ethanedwards]

The interesting thing is that this article comes from the AVB camp and he still emerges as a spoilt brat...

Very much so. He wanted the expensive shiny new toys, comes accross as very high maintenace.
Suprised he didn't bin the youth academy.

 

[Spurs 1961]

The article is useful if it is added to by other ghosted pieces from the other main protagonists. Of course there will be politics and egos involved within the club. Levy, AVB, Sherwood etc., all have their own agendas, no doubt, and I would not be surprised if the likes of Sherwood felt put out by the selection of a young toxic manager with no playing experience calling the coaching shots...rightly or wrongly...maybe waiting for the opportunity to twist the knife.

I think we all agree that the way we have gone through managers and players at the club has been incredibly damaging to our Tottenham. That is why I like many others wanted AVB, despite huge doubts, to succeed. Who will succeed at WHL I don't know but maybe we do need a highly experienced manager even if we don't like the style of football they will play. Maybe a top older manager will be able to command respect all around and have the nous to deal with DL and uncle Joe...or maybe not, I really don't know

 

[kaz Hirai]

Richard Keys‏@richardajkeys
Tim Sherwood told us today Spurs were tired - over trained -and unhappy with AVB. Doesn't look like that to me.
11:17 AM - 29 Sep 12
https://twitter.com/richardajkeys/status/252109876510208001

That tweet was from last year. There's lot more behind the scenes backstabbing that got rid of AVB.

and this is why I dislike and distrust Tim the Snake Sherwood. the man is pure evil

 

[gregga]

The article is useful if it is added to by other ghosted pieces from the other main protagonists. Of course there will be politics and egos involved within the club. Levy, AVB, Sherwood etc., all have their own agendas, no doubt, and I would not be surprised if the likes of Sherwood felt put out by the selection of a young toxic manager with no playing experience calling the coaching shots...rightly or wrongly...maybe waiting for the opportunity to twist the knife.

I think we all agree that the way we have gone through managers and players at the club has been incredibly damaging to our Tottenham. That is why I like many others wanted AVB, despite huge doubts, to succeed. Who will I don't know but maybe we do need a highly experienced manager even if we don't like the style of football they will play. Maybe a top older manager will be able to command respect all around and have the nous to deal with DL and uncle Joe...or maybe not, I really don't know

It all points to our club being an utter clusterf*ck quite frankly.

It pains me to say it but I think the fundamental problem might be Levy. He's a terrific businessman in many respects but I've heard from people who are working/have worked with him that you simply can't trust him as far as you can throw him. He's also fallen out with/gone behind the back of three of the last four of our managers.

 

[Spurs 1961]

It all points to our club being an utter clusterf*ck quite frankly.

It pains me to say it but I think the fundamental problem might be Levy. He's a terrific businessman in many respects but I've heard from people who are working/have worked with him that you simply can't trust him as far as you can throw him. He's also fallen out with/gone behind the back of three of the last four of our managers.

Yes I think you might be right there are just too many managers now who have been sacked. Some of them have been our most successful on the pitch in decades, even if not 'perfect'.

 

[robin09]

The thing that saddens me the most is that Burt states AVB was 'relieved it was over'.

 

[liamc23]

Sounds like Levy was stubborn, Baldini was stubborn and AVB was stubborn. I think AVB wanted certain players, perhaps at unrealistic prices, and wasn't willing to compromise when we decided they weren't value for money. Equally, Levy didn't trust AVB's non-existent transfer market record enough to allow him control. Resentment seems to have built from this.

Maybe AVB and Levy were too similarly stubborn to work together. Any new manager must be made aware of our financial limitations, and understand compromise. Equally, Levy must understand that certain players may be worth more to their manager in terms of achieving a certain playing style, than the high fee needed to get them.

The most disappointing thing about AVB was his lack of youth integration, something we all expected to happen. Instead we saw a Harry style crusade for expensive players he'd worked with before. Any new manager must utilise our academy to it's full potential.

I disagree with this, I think AVB did a decent job at bringing our youth into the team. Kane and Townsend made some key contributions this year and also with the pressure of needing top 4 its hard to integrate everyone. If anyone listened to the Fighting Cock Podcast with Troy Townsend he made it very clear that AVB was really hands on with Andros on the training field trying to improve his game while Harry would just tell him to go and play.

 

[onthetwo]

"He had an untenable situation in the case of Bale. He was going to go and he did a fantastic job in squeezing £90m out of Real Madrid.

"Anybody in football will say the chairman supported the manager by saying 'here is all that money, put it back into the team'. What more can the chairman do?

"The money was spent irresponsibly, in the sense that you can't just go and buy, quickly, seven players and shove them into a team.

"Was the team that bad, that he needed seven players immediately?

"If you take (Arsenal manager Arsene) Wenger for example, he has taken a lot of pressure at the early part of the season, but he has spent on somebody that he wanted to spend on, not just spending for the sake of spending."

He added: "Let's be under no illusion. This vision that people try to say that the sporting director goes out and buys a bucket load of players and then just sends them along in a van the next morning and presents them to the manager and says, 'there you are'. That's nonsense.

"At the end of the day the manager has the final say whether they are buying that player or not."

I was surprised by how balanced these comments were from Sugar! I think hes spot on (scarily)

 

[Mouse!]

I disagree with this, I think AVB did a decent job at bringing our youth into the team. Kane and Townsend made some key contributions this year and also with the pressure of needing top 4 its hard to integrate everyone. If anyone listened to the Fighting Cock Podcast with Troy Townsend he made it very clear that AVB was really hands on with Andros on the training field trying to improve his game while Harry would just tell him to go and play.

Kane and Carroll have each had a handful of games. Townsend couldn't be ignored after his time at QPR. I expected a lot more.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

AVB lost 0-14 to Citeh , Pool , Wet Spam and two of those games were at home.

I supported him because he was our manager.

However, he lost those games heavily with very very good players.

His football was often boring especially the inverted wingers aspect.

His football did not produce goals.

And no point buying Soldado if we ain't going to play in such a way to enable him to do the business.

 

[sim0n]

Very much so. He wanted the expensive shiny new toys, comes accross as very high maintenace.
Suprised he didn't bin the youth academy.

Pouting because he was not allowed to overspend on over-rated moutinho?.... whatevs... I like Paulinho, COYS!!!

 

[eddiebailey]

AVB lost 0-14 to Citeh , Pool , Wet Spam .

Christ, the results were even worse than I remembered! I mean losing 0-14 once...

 

[g_harry]

Levy fucked AVB over with transfers.

 

[guiltyparty]

Anyone saying "but there are no quotes" in this case clearly hasn't been reading Jason Burt's output these past couple of seasons. This will have been pretty much dictated by AVB, but he of course can't put his name to any of it as he'll have a non-disclosure clause to his pay-off.

It's an interesting read, as @Spurs 1961 says - any of these very obviously ghost-written articles shine a light on genuine goings on - but it's just one point of view, with an agenda, and should be read as such. No one with any pride leaves a job shouting, "Boy, did I fuck that up!" They try to protect themselves.

This is a very good example of why you shouldn't only read one paper or news source – read them all, compare all the angles, and the reality is usually somewhere in the middle of all of them. This is one extreme, no doubt there will be plenty of stories put out by Spurs that are less favourable to AVB, which will be another.

There will be an element of truth to all of them, as people are complex, contradictory characters and not black and white caricatures.

 

[alpha]

Spurs will obviously leak stories that make AVB out to be the antichrist, ITKs probably being a part of it. AVB will do the same.

I wont say that sacking AVB was wrong, and he'll continue his career elsewhere.

What worries me is the apparant lack of maturity at the club. Could you imagine clubs like Man United, Arsenal or Liverpool leaking the "the manager is under pressure" stories to the press to add pressure? No, because they're grown ups. They run their club in safe knowledge that the club has to appear as a unit. The lack of professionalism is baffling, and god knows what serious manager wont have restrictions about coming to work for a club that's run like Chelsea, but without the spending.

Do you think that's why Keith Burkinshaw once said, 'There used to be a football club over there'?

 

[alpha]

I think there is definitely a lot of truth in that AVB was not properly backed with the players he wanted. Moutinho be the first example. Also he was not backed 100% by the fans & media. Is it then really surprising we're in this current shambolic state of affairs?

 

[jambreck]

I think there is definitely a lot of truth in that AVB was not properly backed with the players he wanted. Moutinho be the first example. Also he was not backed 100% by the fans & media. Is it then really surprising we're in this current shambolic state of affairs?

I like AVB and wish that he had succeeded at Spurs.

But can you explain to me how he "was not properly backed" over Moutinho?

According to the best information we have, Spurs had agreed a deal for Moutinho. At the time, the £26m he would have cost would have smashed our transfer record.

But then, at the 59th minute of the eleventh hour, the goalposts moved. Porto pulled out of the deal, citing third party ownership problems.

Unfortunate for AVB, certainly.

But "not backed"? How do you come to that conclusion?

 

[SuperPav]

I like AVB and wish that he had succeeded at Spurs.

But can you explain to me how he "was not properly backed" over Moutinho?

According to the best information we have, Spurs had agreed a deal for Moutinho. At the time, the £26m he would have cost would have smashed our transfer record.

But then, at the 59th minute of the eleventh hour, the goalposts moved. Porto pulled out of the deal, citing third party ownership problems.

Unfortunate for AVB, certainly.

But "not backed"? How do you come to that conclusion?

Rumours said that Levy didn't want to go for him in January either.