AVB is over achieving

[M.I.B.]

AVB is the only person preventing us becoming title challengers.

Isn't being equal second after 10 games considered title challenging in your funny little world then?

 

[Mr Pink]

It is still wishful thinking though isnt it. Its what you hope will happen but there is no evidence of it in our play.

The issue is all coaching and team selection. The wrong team is picked and the team interaction in the final third looks non existent.

How can their be evidence of it in our play when he's not picking the best players to correct the problem in recent games?

We looked good against Norwich and in the first half against Chelsea. We were decent against Cardiff...the problem was the West Ham game and AVB's reaction to it in terms of team selection.

I don't agree with you that its wishful thinking, we should be creating more than we are, we have the players to do so but AVB has to pick them.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Apart from the fact that Adebayor is pretty bad in the air...

Though, sure its an option I guess and nothing else is working - but its a bit of a cop out for a modern forward thinking manager though isnt it? Get wingers down the outside putting crossing in for the big CF. Is that the sort of thinking everyone lauds AVB for?

And agree, this is a pure continuous of the Bale obscuring issues of last season and its actually getting more entrenched.

Didn't harm Alex Ferguson! His ego shouldn't get in the way of the team playing well.

 

[CowInAComa]

How can their be evidence of it in our play when he's not picking the best players to correct the problem in recent games?

We looked good against Norwich and in the first half against Chelsea. We were decent against Cardiff...the problem was the West Ham game and AVB's reaction to it in terms of team selection.

I don't agree with you that its wishful thinking, we should be creating more than we are, we have the players to do so but AVB has to pick them.

So if we havent been picking our best creative options then what makes you think we are any closer to them clicking into a cohesive attacking unit if and when they do get picked.

And even then surely with the players and domination we have in games even the players we pick should be able to provide some threat and invention.

And if AvB is not picking the right players and not able to get the players he does pick to play decent football what makes you so sure he is capable of getting it right?

 

[Mr Pink]

So if we havent been picking our best creative options then what makes you think we are any closer to them clicking into a cohesive attacking unit if and when they do get picked.

And even then surely with the players and domination we have in games even the players we pick should be able to provide some threat and invention.

And if AvB is not picking the right players and not able to get the players he does pick to play decent football what makes you so sure he is capable of getting it right?

I believe AVB will be picking the likes of Eriksen regularly soon enough. I think he's over cautious at times and a tad over reactive when something problematic occurs.

Why he had to start Defoe against West Ham I don't know - then we lose the game and he takes out the creative Erisken. Ok he hasn't been great since the first half against Chelsea, but we should of been persevering with him given the impact he had on our play on his debut.

We had been playing some good stuff in spells, despite what some say, right up until AVB decided to go with Townsend and Lennon, which has totally compounded the problem, therefore making it feel like its been dragging on for ages whilst in reality we were showing some signs albeit there were some teething problems up until that point.

 

[only1waddle]

I believe AVB will be picking the likes of Eriksen regularly soon enough. I think he's over cautious at times and a tad over reactive when something problematic occurs.

Why he had to start Defoe against West Ham I don't know - then we lose the game and he takes out the creative Erisken. Ok he hasn't been great since the first half against Chelsea, but we should of been persevering with him given the impact he had on our play on his debut.

We had been playing some good stuff in spells, despite what some say, right up until AVB decided to go with Townsend and Lennon, which has totally compounded the problem, therefore making it feel like its been dragging on for ages whilst in reality we were showing some signs albeit there were some teething problems up until that point.

He probably thought he had too after Defoe went crawling to every media outlet he could, around the time Defoe wanted picking for the England squad, should have ignored him, and should definitely not listen to any planks like Dean Saunders.

 

[specspurs]

So if we havent been picking our best creative options then what makes you think we are any closer to them clicking into a cohesive attacking unit if and when they do get picked.

And even then surely with the players and domination we have in games even the players we pick should be able to provide some threat and invention.

And if AvB is not picking the right players and not able to get the players he does pick to play decent football what makes you so sure he is capable of getting it right?

This is precisely my worry. Nail on head.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Isn't being equal second after 10 games considered title challenging in your funny little world then?

There's nothing more embarrassing as fans, than when you refer to being 4th as 'equal 2nd'.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I believe AVB will be picking the likes of Eriksen regularly soon enough. I think he's over cautious at times and a tad over reactive when something problematic occurs.

Why he had to start Defoe against West Ham I don't know - then we lose the game and he takes out the creative Erisken. Ok he hasn't been great since the first half against Chelsea, but we should of been persevering with him given the impact he had on our play on his debut.

We had been playing some good stuff in spells, despite what some say, right up until AVB decided to go with Townsend and Lennon, which has totally compounded the problem, therefore making it feel like its been dragging on for ages whilst in reality we were showing some signs albeit there were some teething problems up until that point.

I like this post, I know you are an AVB fanboy but you are my favourite of them. Very supportive but very able to be objective. Good stuff.

For me, as much as I hated the Defoegate against West Ham, I could appreciate the semi-logic of playing a striker against his former club who was on a better run of 'form' than our other option. But for me, the Lennongate has taken the bisuit.

Because of that and the 'no support' bullshit from the other week I'm very upset by AVB at the moment.

 

[beats1]

I actually wish sometimes he would say just that.

He needs to fucking tell the 3 in a 4231 that. Because they are way too static and only move out of position when they are only on the ball

 

[strader]

i can't remember spurs expansive football winning any thing apart from the media praise about entertaining football.

Also entertaining football wins nothing.

i truly wish we were more entertaining, but as game by game i am warming to the avb project.

building a team from the back, conceding less, clean sheet in order. We have an attacking unit that will produce once settled.

i remember last season united were conceding goals for fun. What did Ferguson do? Got them to work on their defence, guess what? Title won.

i am saying we will win the title, but we are building a winning team/squad.

on few occasions , high scoring teams win titles /cups. However majority of the time your defensive unit win titles /cups.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I agree, we can't keep switching players because they are not good enough for the now, take Holtby for example, some on here would ship him out if given the chance, while he has certainly not hit the heights we had hoped for, he has potential, who is to say that with decent coaching and a regular group of players around him that at 24/25 he starts to really fly.
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You can't coach pace, you either have it or you don't and Holtby doesn't and hence why in reality is less effective than many would of hoped for.

 

[only1waddle]

You can't coach pace, you either have it or you don't and Holtby doesn't and hence why in reality is less effective than many would of hoped for.

Lennon has bags of pace but no brain, can you give a player a brain?
You seem to have missed the point of my post due to your anti Holtby agenda, which is quite boring now.

 

[parklane1]

AVB is the only person preventing us becoming title challengers.

Rubbish.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Lennon has bags of pace but no brain, can you give a player a brain?
You seem to have missed the point of my post due to your anti Holtby agenda, which is quite boring now.

You said in original post that there are some on here that want him shipped out. I not endorsing he's shipped out, but he has achieved very little to convince me he is good enough to feature in our starting X1.

I don't rate him and I think that I'm allowed to voice that opinion.

 

[only1waddle]

You said in original post that there are some on here that want him shipped out. I not endorsing he's shipped out, but he has achieved very little to convince me he is good enough to feature in our starting X1.

I don't rate him and I think that I'm allowed to voice that opinion.

I don't think your argument about Holtby's pace holds any water with why he isn't any good. I appreciate your opinion on Holtby but it seems it is a constant agenda, for what it is worth i would like to see Holtby, Eriksen, Lamela or Chadli all played together in a 3.
My original post was about potential though, and not swapping players willy nilly, giving players with obvious potential time to settle for a more successful long term future.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

There's nothing more embarrassing as fans, than when you refer to being 4th as 'equal 2nd'.

I was told there would be a trophy.

 

[M.I.B.]

There's nothing more embarrassing as fans, than when you refer to being 4th as 'equal 2nd'.

Oh, pardon me for being embarrassing.

Shall I re-word it for your precious little ears?............."on the same points total as the team in second".

Better?

Jeez, how bloody precocious.

After 10 games, I'll call it whatever suits. It's only after 38 games that it all becomes relevant. And we ain't there yet.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Oh, pardon me for being embarrassing.

Shall I re-word it for your precious little ears?............."on the same points total as the team in second".

Better?

Jeez, how bloody precocious.

After 10 games, I'll call it whatever suits. It's only after 38 games that it all becomes relevant. And we ain't there yet.

Dress it up as you want big nuts.

We're 4th.

 

[beats1]

Dress it up as you want big nuts.

We're 4th.

Does it matter, lets be honest this season is abit crazy at the moment and we will only know after 20 games who was in a false position

Plus both Arsenal and us have a hard run in yet