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Barry Norman - article in The Mail today

CosmicHotspur

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Great article by the former film critic, who openly declares his loyalty to Tottenham. He stated that he will be cheering Barca on this evening, not Man U (as, indeed, I will). He points out that Man U are, like so many other of our Premiership sides, not English or even British-owned, Spurs being the only side among them with an English manager and British ownership. Man U are American-owned of course.

Barca are Spanish in the real sense, with the exception of a few players, Messi among them and they are all Spanish-speaking. They are essentially a Spanish club, whereas English clubs generally have a high percentage of foreign players and managers. He is not objecting to foreign players, but only to the huge number of them so that English, or British, football is no longer the same game that it used to be. We have always had high calibre, talented home-grown footballers playing in England - in fact let's not forget that we taught the rest of the world to play football.

Some would say that's an outdated opinion because football has moved on and techniques from elsewhere now rule the game and Norman does admit that nowadays it is a much faster game.

The cheating, including diving, etc. that has entered the game from abroad, however, hasn't enhanced or improved football IMO.

The icing on the cake was a picture of our 1961 Double victory, Danny Blanchflower held aloft holding the FA Cup. That was a team made up all British players. Those were the days... but if you weren't around to witness them, as Barry Norman and I both were, you might not realise the difference.

Thoughtful article fellow Yiddo.
 

Azazello

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Aug 15, 2009
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I applaud his sentiment, though would just say that many Catalans would dispute that they are Spanish at all.

I don't know the media seems to be going on about an English club winning the Champions League. They probably mean English-based. United is little more than a successful structured debt vehicle for the Glazers. The commoditsation of English football saddens me.

Interestingly, Bazza sells a mean pickled onion.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Great article by the former film critic, who openly declares his loyalty to Tottenham. He stated that he will be cheering Barca on this evening, not Man U (as, indeed, I will). He points out that Man U are, like so many other of our Premiership sides, not English or even British-owned, Spurs being the only side among them with an English manager and British ownership. Man U are American-owned of course.

Barca are Spanish in the real sense, with the exception of a few players, Messi among them and they are all Spanish-speaking. They are essentially a Spanish club, whereas English clubs generally have a high percentage of foreign players and managers. He is not objecting to foreign players, but only to the huge number of them so that English, or British, football is no longer the same game that it used to be. We have always had high calibre, talented home-grown footballers playing in England - in fact let's not forget that we taught the rest of the world to play football.

Some would say that's an outdated opinion because football has moved on and techniques from elsewhere now rule the game and Norman does admit that nowadays it is a much faster game.

The cheating, including diving, etc. that has entered the game from abroad, however, hasn't enhanced or improved football IMO.

The icing on the cake was a picture of our 1961 Double victory, Danny Blanchflower held aloft holding the FA Cup. That was a team made up all British players. Those were the days... but if you weren't around to witness them, as Barry Norman and I both were, you might not realise the difference.

Thoughtful article fellow Yiddo.


Sorry Cosmic but I think this is a load of confused xenophobic nonsense. I'm not old enough to remember the double side but I watched some really crap all british teams in the seventies, and some dire all british football. The game I'm watching now is a quantum leap from some of that dross and mostly thanks to the "foreign" players and managers.

And the myth that johnny foreigner invented cheating is also nonsense. British players have been diving in the box, feigning injury and cheating with the best of them for as long as I remember.
 

punky

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Sep 23, 2008
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They are essentially a Spanish club

After the match they draped the Spanish flag around the cup. I can't imagine if we or any other Premier League team won the cup that we would do that.

I think years of mismanaging youth players means we just are generating the quality of players you can get from the continent. Even with the managers too.
 

arnoldlayne

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Aug 20, 2007
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Sorry Cosmic but I think this is a load of confused xenophobic nonsense. I'm not old enough to remember the double side but I watched some really crap all british teams in the seventies, and some dire all british football. The game I'm watching now is a quantum leap from some of that dross and mostly thanks to the "foreign" players and managers.

And the myth that johnny foreigner invented cheating is also nonsense. British players have been diving in the box, feigning injury and cheating with the best of them for as long as I remember.

Francis Lee, Rodney Marsh, Joe Jordan, spring to mind
 

RichSpur58

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Not sure how far Man U would get with an all English starting 11. Possible they wouldnt even qualify for the CL.
 

Coyboy

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Spanish is probably the last thing many Barca fans would want you to call them.
 

spursandbarca

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i would not call a catalan spanish in a million years. had an american friend yesterday call one of my catalan friends he corrected him before I did.
 

spursandbarca

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valdes,puyol,pique,messi,xavi,iniesta,busquets,bojan, thiago, oier, fontas. in the squad yesterday all came through la masia.
 

spursandbarca

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After the match they draped the Spanish flag around the cup. I can't imagine if we or any other Premier League team won the cup that we would do that.

I think years of mismanaging youth players means we just are generating the quality of players you can get from the continent. Even with the managers too.


look again it is the senyera the catalan flag. shorter red and yellow stripes. no crown.
 
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