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Jamturk

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True enough for the system.. it's the same as AVB.

The difference is the coaching and development of our players which, whilst bearing fruits; is utilising a squad that is VERY short in Premiership or even English football experience.

Still need to stick with one coach. It needs to be Poch.


Mason is'nt up to it IMO.

Poch like Kane getting caught up in his own hype and not looking/playing logically.
 

Damian99

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We haven't, certainly not dominated and strangled the life out of a team. Chelsea + Everton games were open, and two teams duking it out. It was the commitment and energy that was good. Liverpool some reckon we were unlucky, I thought we were poor tactically in an open game.

Even against Arsenal we were helped somewhat by them sitting back, as they had done in other away games (was it City or Utd a couple of weeks before where it worked perfectly?) against the top teams and then looking to counter.

Such inconsistency.

Big season next season for Poch (if indeed he gets the players he wants) then there is no excuse, i don't actually believe there has been an excuse for some of the strange selection/tactical choices Pochs made, regardless of the personnel. The exclusion certainly of Dembele is frightening and also at times Stambouli not even having a place on the bench. Persisting with Mason and Bentaleb when clearly we have struggled to keep teams out, not just down to those two as some awful defending across the whole back four (at times) has cost us. But the cover they have been afforded has been just as bad.

Aside a few games nothing has been even slightly impressive and most games, every one (more or less) on here have been left wondering what the hell's going on from week to week.

Take out Lloris and Kane and we would be in deep deep shit imo
 

eViL

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Mason is'nt up to it IMO.

Poch like Kane getting caught up in his own hype and not looking/playing logically.

Should be in the front 3.. I'd be playing Stambouli personally; I thought he was great earlier in the season.
 

theShiznit

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I'll let you know my feelings on Poch when I see what he does in the summer...

I predict a lot of movement out and a few in.

When you have collected such a mass of slow witted (and footed in some cases) players that as a bonus are also error prone it's very hard to look consistently good or even like you are improving.
 

Jamturk

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Should be in the front 3.. I'd be playing Stambouli personally; I thought he was great earlier in the season.


It gives him favorable press, political selections.

Not going to get us anywhere though.
 

mpickard2087

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Big season next season for Poch (if indeed he gets the players he wants) then there is no excuse, i don't actually believe there has been an excuse for some of the strange selection/tactical choices Pochs made, regardless of the personnel. The exclusion certainly of Dembele is frightening and also at times Stambouli not even having a place on the bench. Persisting with Mason and Bentaleb when clearly we have struggled to keep teams out, not just down to those two as some awful defending across the whole back four (at times) has cost us. But the cover they have been afforded has been just as bad.

Aside a few games nothing has been even slightly impressive and most games, every one (more or less) on here have been left wondering what the hell's going on from week to week.

Take out Lloris and Kane and we would be in deep deep shit imo

Yep I agree. If we were seeing cohesive performances and developing patterns of play, but still had areas that needed to be addressed, then it wouldn't be so bad. Currently though its nearly the end of the seasons, we haven't seen any consistency and we need to improve across the board, in attack and defence and with and without the ball. Once again been heavily reliant on individuals. Poch needs to really get to work now and not be so stubborn.
 

TH1239

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Big season next season for Poch (if indeed he gets the players he wants) then there is no excuse, i don't actually believe there has been an excuse for some of the strange selection/tactical choices Pochs made, regardless of the personnel. The exclusion certainly of Dembele is frightening and also at times Stambouli not even having a place on the bench. Persisting with Mason and Bentaleb when clearly we have struggled to keep teams out, not just down to those two as some awful defending across the whole back four (at times) has cost us. But the cover they have been afforded has been just as bad.

Aside a few games nothing has been even slightly impressive and most games, every one (more or less) on here have been left wondering what the hell's going on from week to week.

Take out Lloris and Kane and we would be in deep deep shit imo

What if he doesn't get the players he wants, though? What if this summer is like last summer? Do we blame him if we finish 7th next season if he still doesn't have "his players?"
 

Damian99

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What if he doesn't get the players he wants, though? What if this summer is like last summer? Do we blame him if we finish 7th next season if he still doesn't have "his players?"

Too many what "ifs" for me there buddy, sorry.
 

JerryGarcia

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FFS Arsenal have had the stability of the same manager for years on end and always end up in the top 4. We have a new manager and most of us would have been happy with 6th and a cup run. Well we've had a cup run and we're currently 6th.

People throw their toys out the pram whenever we don't win by a few clear goals, in the real world during the course of a season we'll lose and draw games as well. There's plenty to look forward too over the next few seasons as the youth players improve though, and as Poch brings in his own players he'll be able to rotate the squad more effectively.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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I think people need to be a bit more realistic. Of course we are miles behind the scum, they spend 30m plus on world class players every season. Me personally, I dont even think about Arsenal anymore, and I'm a lot happier for doing so. I recommend some of you do the same, until we can compete with them on an even keel.
 

poc

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Wrong players for the system we play same as AVB, the idea you can impose a pressing game on any set of players is wrong imo. To be a top manager you have to be able to adapt and be flexible when required, again we have a manager I believe that lacks that experience and ability.
 

JerryGarcia

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Wrong players for the system we play same as AVB, the idea you can impose a pressing game on any set of players is wrong imo. To be a top manager you have to be able to adapt and be flexible when required, again we have a manager I believe that lacks that experience and ability.

He gets slagged off when he sticks with a winning team and he gets slagged off when he uses the squad. I don't think he has the right players either but he has to get a few transfer windows to really make the team his own.
 

Spurger King

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Not going to comment on the OP, but apart from Kane there's really very little to be excited about when it comes to Spurs and the future.

By the time the new stadium is ready I suspect we'll be well and truly back to mid-table mediocrity, and managed by Pochettino's replacement's replacement.
 

poc

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He gets slagged off when he sticks with a winning team and he gets slagged off when he uses the squad. I don't think he has the right players either but he has to get a few transfer windows to really make the team his own.
I really hope your right and he is given not only the funds to do it but is able to offload the players he wants to, given Levy's record I'm not sure he will.
 

whitesocks

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And manager
I don't think he is a terrible manger.
Just one that is used to working at the other end of the table.
In that context, a draw away from home against a team fighting to stay up is a good result.
And he'll be ecstatic to get a 5th or 6th place on his CV.
 

Doctor Dinkey

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All these 'clearing out the crap' posts are sadly mistaken. Levy will not sell players at a substantial loss. He just won't. I fully expect to see the likes of Paulinho, Soldado, Lamela, Chadli and Chiriches clogging up the bench in September, and very little inward movement because of the lack of funds made available. We need new blood for Poch to make the progress we expect, but don't think that will happen and next season will be more or less the same as this season, but maybe a little worse.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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Can't really reply to the OP as there is so much conjecture put forward as fact.

I started the season on the fence with regards to Poch's appointment and remain there.

I really feel the best way for him to start is by shoring up the defence. We have the 5th worst defensive record in the Prem.

Playing Rose, Dier and Walker in defence we have a young defence and the full backs are attack minded. I've nothing against that but we need a midfield that protects the defence better.

So far I've liked that Poch has got some of our young players playing well in the team but I haven't been impressed with the starting setup, substitutions or cohesion as a team going forward.
 

cornelius knob

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All these 'clearing out the crap' posts are sadly mistaken. Levy will not sell players at a substantial loss. He just won't. I fully expect to see the likes of Paulinho, Soldado, Lamela, Chadli and Chiriches clogging up the bench in September, and very little inward movement because of the lack of funds made available. We need new blood for Poch to make the progress we expect, but don't think that will happen and next season will be more or less the same as this season, but maybe a little worse.
Sadly your right. But because we have the best balance sheet in the league, no one on here will question the lack of ambition of the owners and things will trudge along just the same
 
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