Booing question.

[BringBack_leGin]

Yea very true, it is not as if Keane and Defoe linked up well or anything. I really wish when Keane got the ball on the break he had passed to Defoe to score instead of being anonymous, crap, dire, awful, our worst player, inept. Also I think Keane is too Irish for me.

A bit hostile don't you think? Yes, Keane played a very good ball from which Defoe ran on and scored, but he really did stink out the joint for the entirity of the match pre-Defoe's introduction. His gave the ball away constantly, he was slow in reaching a number of decent passes, he made several wrong decisions and he was muscled off the ball time and time again. It was, despite your pisstaking, an inept performance, and it was between him and Modric for our worst player yesterday (though Corluka didn't shroud himself in glory either). Until last week I'd stood up for Keane after every poor performance recently because I felt he was having a positive effect on the team regardless, but last week and this week he has had a negative effect on the team on top of his poor performance and in my view this should warrent a spot on next weeks subs bench in what is quite an important match for us. Robbie needs the summer badly.

As for your clever little list of superlatives, I think you'll find that only two of those were employed in my description of Keanes performance in what was a fairly descriptive paragraph of my view in general. Not sure why, unprovoked, you feel the need to get so defensive of a player who you yourself agreed last week has been playing very poorly. I know you like him, I like him too, but I also like Taramasolata. Doesn't mean it is always good.

 

[bubble07]

it was because keane had such a poor game that we were pissed off he wasn't subbed. I hope this isn't a sign to come regarding Keano that regardless of how badly he plays he will never be subbed because he is captain

 

[BringBack_leGin]

BBLG is right. I wonder if I get to become part of his signature now?

you were briefly, but i've been told off by the powers that be for my sig so it's gone

 

[C0YS]

TBH I think Pav went off because of his back. simply...I think he would of been taken off even if he played a blinder

 

[C0YS]

A bit hostile don't you think? Yes, Keane played a very good ball from which Defoe ran on and scored, but he really did stink out the joint for the entirity of the match pre-Defoe's introduction. His gave the ball away constantly, he was slow in reaching a number of decent passes, he made several wrong decisions and he was muscled off the ball time and time again. It was, despite your pisstaking, an inept performance, and it was between him and Modric for our worst player yesterday (though Corluka didn't shroud himself in glory either). Until last week I'd stood up for Keane after every poor performance recently because I felt he was having a positive effect on the team regardless, but last week and this week he has had a negative effect on the team on top of his poor performance and in my view this should warrent a spot on next weeks subs bench in what is quite an important match for us. Robbie needs the summer badly.

As for your clever little list of superlatives, I think you'll find that only two of those were employed in my description of Keanes performance in what was a fairly descriptive paragraph of my view in general. Not sure why, unprovoked, you feel the need to get so defensive of a player who you yourself agreed last week has been playing very poorly. I know you like him, I like him too, but I also like Taramasolata. Doesn't mean it is always good.

I thought Modric was alright until about 65 mins in

 

[The Original Yiddster]

cant believe this thread has got to 45 posts ....... some booed because RP was taken off instead of Keane who was having a mare having said that RP was equally as poor anyway.

 

[SpurSince57]

Not easy playing as striker with three midfielders doing nothing.

Spark, spark as in beeing offside?

A very marginal decision indeed.

Three midfielders doing nothing? Which three would those have been?

 

[Coyboy]

A bit hostile don't you think? Yes, Keane played a very good ball from which Defoe ran on and scored, but he really did stink out the joint for the entirity of the match pre-Defoe's introduction. His gave the ball away constantly, he was slow in reaching a number of decent passes, he made several wrong decisions and he was muscled off the ball time and time again. It was, despite your pisstaking, an inept performance, and it was between him and Modric for our worst player yesterday (though Corluka didn't shroud himself in glory either). Until last week I'd stood up for Keane after every poor performance recently because I felt he was having a positive effect on the team regardless, but last week and this week he has had a negative effect on the team on top of his poor performance and in my view this should warrent a spot on next weeks subs bench in what is quite an important match for us. Robbie needs the summer badly.

As for your clever little list of superlatives, I think you'll find that only two of those were employed in my description of Keanes performance in what was a fairly descriptive paragraph of my view in general. Not sure why, unprovoked, you feel the need to get so defensive of a player who you yourself agreed last week has been playing very poorly. I know you like him, I like him too, but I also like Taramasolata. Doesn't mean it is always good.

Sometimes your posts invite such 'hostility' mate, and I know you can dish it out as well as you get it. Besides, that list of superlatives was a collection of other posters observant descriptions not just you.

There are a few things people are not taking into account regarding Keane and I think it is unfair. Firstly, as captain and leader he has been supremely important not only off the pitch I would say but away from things you can quantify like assists or goals. He gets other playing well and leads from the front. People may not like him waving his arms and complaining but who gives a fuck if he gets the team playing well. He chases down opposing defenders and harries other players which puts them under pressure and gives away the ball. Pav hardly ever does this, Bent doesn't enough and it isn't really in Defoe's repetoire either.

Secondly he is playing much deeper at the moment in the absence of Defoe, who I think when fully fit we will see play with Keane and rotate in the final third to give us the dynamism and vitality we lacked when we had Frazer Campbell and Pav; the clever movement, clever passes and finishing skill- all that we saw when he came on Saturday. At the moment, Keane is playing a vital role linking midfield and attack, keeping moves a live, dragging defenders away and creating space. Bent and Pav, as good as they are at scoring goals, struggle at this and we were desperately lacking this before Keane arrived. Now we have that player to do that role, people still complain we he doesn't score. The team is doing well, Keane is a lot to do with that.

On saturday, Keane had 81% pass completion rate giving the ball away five times, so I am not sure 'constantly' is the right word- probably 'occassionaly' and when he did, it became noticeable and was magnified into some great crime against football. If you look at Keane's movement and positioning all game, he was all over the place interacting with other players, midfielders, defenders and strikers. That he didn't score is unfortunate and I hope to see him further forward but even if he doesn't and he never gets back to twenty a season, he will still perform a vital role for the team and to boo/drop him is madness.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Sometimes your posts invite such 'hostility' mate, and I know you can dish it out as well as you get it. Besides, that list of superlatives was a collection of other posters observant descriptions not just you.

There are a few things people are not taking into account regarding Keane and I think it is unfair. Firstly, as captain and leader he has been supremely important not only off the pitch I would say but away from things you can quantify like assists or goals. He gets other playing well and leads from the front. People may not like him waving his arms and complaining but who gives a fuck if he gets the team playing well. He chases down opposing defenders and harries other players which puts them under pressure and gives away the ball. Pav hardly ever does this, Bent doesn't enough and it isn't really in Defoe's repetoire either.

Secondly he is playing much deeper at the moment in the absence of Defoe, who I think when fully fit we will see play with Keane and rotate in the final third to give us the dynamism and vitality we lacked when we had Frazer Campbell and Pav; the clever movement, clever passes and finishing skill- all that we saw when he came on Saturday. At the moment, Keane is playing a vital role linking midfield and attack, keeping moves a live, dragging defenders away and creating space. Bent and Pav, as good as they are at scoring goals, struggle at this and we were desperately lacking this before Keane arrived. Now we have that player to do that role, people still complain we he doesn't score. The team is doing well, Keane is a lot to do with that.

On saturday, Keane had 81% pass completion rate giving the ball away five times, so I am not sure 'constantly' is the right word- probably 'occassionaly' and when he did, it became noticeable and was magnified into some great crime against football. If you look at Keane's movement and positioning all game, he was all over the place interacting with other players, midfielders, defenders and strikers. That he didn't score is unfortunate and I hope to see him further forward but even if he doesn't and he never gets back to twenty a season, he will still perform a vital role for the team and to boo/drop him is madness.

I certainly don't condone booing him or the managers decision, I never said that I did. And fair enough, the list of superlatives was not directly aimed at me. However, And I admit that I often post my thoughts in a way which invites argument (you're still not over the Beckham thing are you), I don't believe that this post invited hostility. I never said I believe Keane was a bad player, merely that I don't think right now he has earned the right to be first choice. Since we signed him he has had a couple of good games, one brilliant game, but several games where he has played beneath his ability. In most of those the effect he had on the team was still positive, but I just do not feel that has been the case for a while, in fact, not since (and including) the Blackburn game in which he scored a penalty but did not play that well.

I appreciate he probably does a lot we can't see, and I know there is more to him than the tangible statistics, but a lot of our play is going through him and coming to nothing. He has reverted a bit to the pre-Berbatov Keane who seemed to always take a touch too many and not take his options when they are there. All it is missing is those infuriating 6 or 7 dummies a game he used to do to no avail.

I am sure that next season Robbie Keane will be superb for us, as will Defoe and hopefully any striker we might sign (if there is one). At present I just feel that he is not doing it, and the availability of Defoe in my mind means that the manager has a fairly easy decision to make. He may well not make that decision, but I wouldn't understand his thinking.

And just for the record, against WBA I did actually give Redknapp the benefit of the doubt and assume that Pav came off because he has barely played in the past month and has been injured as well.

 

[Coyboy]

I certainly don't condone booing him or the managers decision, I never said that I did. And fair enough, the list of superlatives was not directly aimed at me. However, And I admit that I often post my thoughts in a way which invites argument (you're still not over the Beckham thing are you), I don't believe that this post invited hostility. I never said I believe Keane was a bad player, merely that I don't think right now he has earned the right to be first choice. Since we signed him he has had a couple of good games, one brilliant game, but several games where he has played beneath his ability. In most of those the effect he had on the team was still positive, but I just do not feel that has been the case for a while, in fact, not since (and including) the Blackburn game in which he scored a penalty but did not play that well.

I appreciate he probably does a lot we can't see, and I know there is more to him than the tangible statistics, but a lot of our play is going through him and coming to nothing. He has reverted a bit to the pre-Berbatov Keane who seemed to always take a touch too many and not take his options when they are there. All it is missing is those infuriating 6 or 7 dummies a game he used to do to no avail.

I am sure that next season Robbie Keane will be superb for us, as will Defoe and hopefully any striker we might sign (if there is one). At present I just feel that he is not doing it, and the availability of Defoe in my mind means that the manager has a fairly easy decision to make. He may well not make that decision, but I wouldn't understand his thinking.

And just for the record, against WBA I did actually give Redknapp the benefit of the doubt and assume that Pav came off because he has barely played in the past month and has been injured as well.

Well I really don't think I was being hostile, perhaps a bit too abrasive and sarcastic but I was tired after the Hatton fight at 5am and feeling a bit cheeky, but there are and were some silly things being said about Keane.

Fair points bolded and I think that because Keane's play, but for Boro and a couple other games, has amounted to little is the key reason people are getting on his back; that and the heinous arm waving. I think little important statistics like goals and assists change people's perception of players. Darren Bent is a fine example. I like his attitude and he has scored a lot of goals and in our precarious situation where we just needed points, he deserves a hell of a lot of credit. But outside the goals scored, he offers little I think you would agree; and so to build something substantial and a successful and attractive Spurs team which we all want we need something more. Keane is part of that for me.

You mention the Blackburn game. He scored a good penalty but that is peripheral really. He had an 80% plus completion rate and again was all over the pitch interacting with the rest of the team. An important fact since his arrival is that we have won games, another one is that we have played better football. We weren't terrible pre-Keane post Ramos but we are now playing better football all over the pitch and Keane is all over the pitch. He just isn't being that productive right now, he goes through bad spells everyone one does.

Just a few things outside of Keane's control would have had to happen to change people's perception, Defoe could have been given onside or we could have scored one or two more at Blackburn from moves he galvanised for example. I'd like him to score more, I'd like us to score more but right now we are playing some good football and winning games and I think, as well as Palacios and other factors, Keane is an important reason for that and dropping him would be hugely stupid. And Rednapp won't do it.

I am over Beckham.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Well I really don't think I was being hostile, perhaps a bit too abrasive and sarcastic but I was tired after the Hatton fight at 5am and feeling a bit cheeky, but there are and were some silly things being said about Keane.

Fair points bolded and I think that because Keane's play, but for Boro and a couple other games, has amounted to little is the key reason people are getting on his back; that and the heinous arm waving. I think little important statistics like goals and assists change people's perception of players. Darren Bent is a fine example. I like his attitude and he has scored a lot of goals and in our precarious situation where we just needed points, he deserves a hell of a lot of credit. But outside the goals scored, he offers little I think you would agree; and so to build something substantial and a successful and attractive Spurs team which we all want we need something more. Keane is part of that for me.

You mention the Blackburn game. He scored a good penalty but that is peripheral really. He had an 80% plus completion rate and again was all over the pitch interacting with the rest of the team. An important fact since his arrival is that we have won games, another one is that we have played better football. We weren't terrible pre-Keane post Ramos but we are now playing better football all over the pitch and Keane is all over the pitch. He just isn't being that productive right now, he goes through bad spells everyone one does.

Just a few things outside of Keane's control would have had to happen to change people's perception, Defoe could have been given onside or we could have scored one or two more at Blackburn from moves he galvanised for example. I'd like him to score more, I'd like us to score more but right now we are playing some good football and winning games and I think, as well as Palacios and other factors, Keane is an important reason for that and dropping him would be hugely stupid. And Rednapp won't do it.

I am over Beckham.

Fair enough on all (though I think Defoe was onside and the lino got it wrong). I just don't think the effect on the team would be particularly damaging if Keane was taken out and Defoe put in. I may be completely incorrect, but I don't think he deserves his place in the team based merely on what I see with my own eyes.

 

[super swine]

i was saying Boo-urns................

 

[steve]

Keane's arrival (along with Palacios and to a lesser extent Defoe) has been instrumental in our run of form since February. He wasn't great by his standards on Saturday but Pav was even worse to my mind. At least when Keane plays poorly he still works hard off the ball and makes sure that others do too. He would've been through if not for Modric's overhit pass 2nd half and I thought he improved after Defoe came on. He took 2 Gomes goal kicks out of the sky and controlled them brilliantly whilst holding off defenders late on in the game.

The reception Pav got was puzzling. I'm all for us backing the players of course but if Bent had played like that he would've got fucking slaughtered no question. But Pav gets a standing ovation and his name sung. The hypocrisy makes me choke on me cornflakes sometimes....

 

[hybridsoldier]

i agree it was a poor show, even at the final whistle the atmosphere didnt feel like a win...

I think we may never be happy, we always want to win the tottenham way and you can't always get result like that, it works in spain because the defences aren't great...i'd go as far as to say they aren't even good!

The fact is we have been on an amazing run of results, we...as a collective need to grip the reality that the cavalier way team like Barcelona pay just DOESN'T work. Man Utd do sometimes play sides off the park, but all too often this season they haven't actually played well at all and still won.

I think a Keane dropping may be due to be honest, but I think we should back the team more....we are really fickle and I know we pay our money but if you look at Stoke, their home support is downright scary and it has kept them in the league and the reason why they have a fantastic home record.

 

[Coyboy]

Fair enough on all (though I think Defoe was onside and the lino got it wrong). I just don't think the effect on the team would be particularly damaging if Keane was taken out and Defoe put in. I may be completely incorrect, but I don't think he deserves his place in the team based merely on what I see with my own eyes.

Yea I think Defoe was onside too. He looked really sharp when he came on which was good after injury and tragedy.