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Can someone please explain Why Tim Sherwood is so hated?

Flashspur

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to be fair to young Tim however, he is trying. This was a good article in the Guardian. Delete if already posted

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/19/tim-sherwood-unsure-tottenham-west-ham

Tim Sherwood reflected the sense of chaos and upheaval at Tottenham Hotspur when he said that he did not know whether he would take charge of the team at Southampton on Sunday, after his managerial debut ended in a 2-1 Capital One Cup quarter-final defeat by West Ham United.

The club's youth co-ordinator, who was elevated on Monday morning to the post of caretaker manager after André Villas-Boas's sacking, said he would love to be considered for the position on a permanent basis.

The club are casting for a big-name appointment, with Frank de Boer of Ajax prominent on their wish-list. De Boer would be loth to leave Ajax before the end of the season, as they chase a fourth consecutive league title, and many of Tottenham's other targets are in similar situations. Sherwood, though, admitted that his club have to act decisively.

"The players are professional enough to get on with it and I've just tried to steady the ship," Sherwood said after his team blew a lead by conceding twice in the last 10 minutes. "There's obviously upheaval when your manager leaves … you've been used to him and his voice. It's a new voice now. It would be good to get it resolved for the football club's sake and the players'."

Sherwood said he took a call from the chairman, Daniel Levy, on Monday at 10.15am and it set in motion what has been a whirlwind few days. "He asked me to take the first-team training, which I did, and here we are now," Sherwood said. "The future beyond that … I need to have a chat with the chairman and see what they're thinking. I don't know, to be honest. The immediate future is up in the air, that's as much as I know. Do I know about Southampton? No.

"It's been different. It's madness, really. I'm not used to sleeping two hours at night. I'm waking up thinking about footballers. I said the other day, I slept like a baby – I woke up crying four times in the middle of the night.

"I'm up for a challenge, I always have been. I'm very opinionated. I know a certain way that I need to play. I think I can manage men, deal with them, be honest with them. The decision that's going on is out of my hands unfortunately. I've got to be in the frame but it's not my decision."

Sherwood changed the team's style from that of Villas-Boas, playing with two strikers and a higher tempo. But they flagged in the final 20 minutes which, in part, allowed West Ham to come back to win. Sherwood suggested the players were not fit enough to play in that style.

"I think, to be honest, they ran out of a bit of steam," he said. "I think they are fit enough to play a certain way but I wanted to change the way we wanted to play.

"The problem we had was giving the ball away. There was a period after we scored [in the 67th minute] when we were turning over possession and it's impossible to rest when you are out of possession. You need to rest on the ball and they need to recognise when is the right time to do that. I don't think they did that well enough, and that encouraged West Ham.

"I think they are fit enough but to play a certain way … When it's a complete change of mindset of how I asked them to play – I asked them to go a bit more gung-ho, and up and at them. You need to acclimatise to that."

Sherwood described the defeat as a major disappointment and said that everybody in the dressing room was "sick". But for Sam Allardyce and West Ham, it was a night of glory, with his side's two late goals setting up a semi-final against Manchester City. They had won at White Hart Lane in the Premier League on 6 October.

"It's a brilliant effort from the squad and a great night for the fans," Allardyce said. "It's twice on the trot now and I know how much it means to them. It was a case of exploiting the spaces Tottenham left when they got 1-0 up.

"I thought they might have sat back and protected that, but they didn't. They went for the second … and we started exploiting the spaces that were left."
 

FinnYid

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I know he isn't a manager.

Well, head coach then?

Leverkusen hired Hyypiä who had next to none coaching experience compared to Tim or Rambo, yet they're now through the CL group stages and 2nd on Bundesleague 5 points clear of Klopp and his Dortmund. Barca hired Pep when he had year under his belt coaching Barca B and so on. You can't rule someone as manager before he has been tried, on the other hand on managerial front no CV on planet can guarantee success on any given club.
 

Keith Morris

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– I asked them to go a bit more gung-ho, and up and at them. You need to acclimatise to that

This kind of talk really concerns me, it's the people like sherwood and Ferdinand that need moving on, always trusted in levy, that is being tested though, he needs to get this right and fast
 

liamc23

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"I think they are fit enough but to play a certain way … When it's a complete change of mindset of how I asked them to play – I asked them to go a bit more gung-ho, and up and at them. You need to acclimatise to that."

Its Harry all over again.
 

sunnydelight786

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Well, head coach then?

Leverkusen hired Hyypiä who had next to none coaching experience compared to Tim or Rambo, yet they're now through the CL group stages and 2nd on Bundesleague 5 points clear of Klopp and his Dortmund. Barca hired Pep when he had year under his belt coaching Barca B and so on. You can't rule someone as manager before he has been tried, on the other hand on managerial front no CV on planet can guarantee success on any given club.
He was joint manager last year taking sole control this season, so not completly a fish out of water apointmnt eh....
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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Well, head coach then?

Leverkusen hired Hyypiä who had next to none coaching experience compared to Tim or Rambo, yet they're now through the CL group stages and 2nd on Bundesleague 5 points clear of Klopp and his Dortmund. Barca hired Pep when he had year under his belt coaching Barca B and so on. You can't rule someone as manager before he has been tried, on the other hand on managerial front no CV on planet can guarantee success on any given club.

Not for me. Leverkusen took a risk and it worked. I don't think we're in the position to take risks. If AVB was a risk because of a lack of experience, what is Sherwood?

The Guardiola thing is getting a bit boring. He coached Barca B in the equivalent of the Spanish Championship. That isn't like the reserves or u21.
 

SlunkSoma

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If anything, that suggests he isn't going to be doing it for long.
But still, if he is going up in front of the media he needs to know what's up to some level. Otherwise we look like a disorganised mess. Every fan, particularly after losing the game wanted to hear something, anything coherent or positive - we got ifs and buts, don't knows, we'll sees. Poor.
 

jezz

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from what he had at his disposal yes. Who would you have played at CB last night?
Was kaboul fit?
The line up was wrong.
He played what he thought was right.
It turned out to be wrong.
He takes responsibility.
 

FinnYid

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Not for me. Leverkusen took a risk and it worked. I don't think we're in the position to take risks. If AVB was a risk because of a lack of experience, what is Sherwood?

The Guardiola thing is getting a bit boring. He coached Barca B in the equivalent of the Spanish Championship. That isn't like the reserves or u21.

But he did it only for a year and still despite more competitive enviroment coaching Barca B isn't task equal to coaching say Leeds. It's still a B team.

As for risk, well people need to realize any possible appointment is a risk and for majority of thrown names I saa even more risks than sticking with Tim till end of the season and seeing how that pans out to be.
 

dudu

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Was kaboul fit?
The line up was wrong.
He played what he thought was right.
It turned out to be wrong.
He takes responsibility.


Think he was damned any team he played.

Fair enough it was his call to play the team he did.
 

WestBelfast Spurs

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Well, head coach then?

Leverkusen hired Hyypiä who had next to none coaching experience compared to Tim or Rambo, yet they're now through the CL group stages and 2nd on Bundesleague 5 points clear of Klopp and his Dortmund. Barca hired Pep when he had year under his belt coaching Barca B and so on. You can't rule someone as manager before he has been tried, on the other hand on managerial front no CV on planet can guarantee success on any given club.

so are you going to write of our top 4 chances and EL chances just to give Sherwood a try, well im not
 

PG Spurs

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Was open minded about him right until I saw the starting line-up. I don't want any of this mid-90s football ****, I want intelligent, quick, fluid, incisive play. If you only have one day to prepare for a match, you don't completely change the system and leave out all of our creative players. Of course the players tired - they just ran around like headless chickens, with no composure or ideas about what they were supposed to do. If he's in charge on Sunday and plays the same old system again, then I fear our season will be done.

And why did he play that way, when our U teams play 433?? Clueless. AVB had his faults, but the overall system he tried to implement should have worked, if it was done properly. Sherwood is out of date and out of touch with modern football.
 

Flashspur

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i think Shaerwood needs to be given time - the club has resources to assist him as well. It would be silly for Levy to dump him in the role and then not give him some time to show if he can be effective. I cant see anyone jumping ship right now. Capello and Hiddink have national contracts in play. Yakin and De Boer are tied down. Rafa is tied down. Pochettino is untried.

Klopp probably wont come but I would love him! The wheels are falling off the Dortmund train at the moment and they keep selling his best players. He probably wants to go to a club that doesn't sell their best players....er. OK strike that one! He definitely wont come.

Are we really going to go with Glenda who hasn't managed a team for 7 years? What a bloody awful time to be looking for a manager.

The only decent manager I know who isn't contracted is Bielsa and he doesn't speak English. It will be Jaunde Ramos all over again.

You have to think that there was more to AVB's sacking then just the Liverpool result. Why would we put ourselves in this position unless

a. We were sure Sherwood was a ready made stand in while we searched; or
b. We were sure Sherwood was a ready made stand in - period; or
c. We had someone lined up
 
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WestBelfast Spurs

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Like I said, don't see it anymore or less writing our chances off than appointing any given manager right now.

he hasn't even got the right coaching badges for the league or Europe, that's should start bells ringing right there, I was all for giving him a chance but after last night and then blaming the previous managers training methods, sorry but its a no from me, but that's just my opinion
 
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