Carlton Palmer on racism

[beats1]

So if I were to tell you that I would rather my daughter married a white guy?

I don't think that is racist unless you said something with it or the way you would justify it. If you were to be angry at the fact your daughter brought home someone that wasn't white, that could mean you are being racist. There has to be hatred involved.

It like for you to say I wouldn't want my daughter to bring someone struggling with money or poor, that doesn't necessarily mean that you have a hatred of the poor

Growing up, I felt this.

If you were called a fat bastard, no one cared. If you were called a black bastard, everyone gasped and the offenders suspended and probably with the police involved. I was bullied a lot and because the abuse I received was mainly because I was fat, no one gave a shit. If I was black it would have been a different story.

Also I don't like how "racially-aggrievated" ha led to this 2-tier justice system. You punch someone because you don't like them If they reason is anything other than race you'll get a sentence of X, but if is because of race then you get X+Y. You punched them with the same force. The impact is the same. Why should one person get a strong sentence than another?

See I understand why alot of people think this. I think potentially there should be a higher standard for justification of racial hatred(I don't know the current one). However I know that in my case it was quiet likely that I got racially aggravated assaulted but it was just labelled as a assault.

I was walking through an area that was known to be racist and a group of 10 or so walked past me, then one of them hit me on the head for no reason and as I turned around and went towards the guy who hit me, the others blindsided me before it going to a brawl.

Now other than me having olive/beige skin, there was no reason for them to attack me, I didnt do/say/wear anything to offend them. This was also at a time when a iPod cost £250 which I had on me, after getting home from the hospital I wished that they took the iPod as least then it wasn't the colour of my skin that may of offended them. Again it was that isolated feeling of me hating/blaming myself, that I would consider to been racially abused and the fact they had a power over me(in this case me being a minority). However as I never heard anything racist it was just a assault and not racially aggravated.

However this is how I view racism. I have been picked on for the way I look or whatever(we all do at some point). BUT we can change the way we look and etc(despite it making me feel shitty and feeling like I couldn't change at the time). When suffering racism, there is nothing you can do as you will always be that skin colour and you feel alone and this person has something over you(racism is hardly ever done by the weak).

Racism is that lonely feeling of there is nothing you can do. Thats why I have deemed words that are racist, not racist and instead ignorant when thrown at me before like choc ice and bounty, as they never had that effect. Racism is normally done by those in that instance are carrying power over the victim, which I also think is crucial at times.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

Growing up, I felt this.

If you were called a fat bastard, no one cared. If you were called a black bastard, everyone gasped and the offenders suspended and probably with the police involved. I was bullied a lot and because the abuse I received was mainly because I was fat, no one gave a shit. If I was black it would have been a different story.

Also I don't like how "racially-aggrievated" ha led to this 2-tier justice system. You punch someone because you don't like them If they reason is anything other than race you'll get a sentence of X, but if is because of race then you get X+Y. You punched them with the same force. The impact is the same. Why should one person get a strong sentence than another?

1970's to about 1986.. nf fuckwits rampaging up and down Brixton / clapham / streatham / tooting/ southall / brick lane.. .. we had skinheads pour petrol throught the letterbox and try to set fire to the house. .. because they thought we should go back to wherevr we came from....

bricks through the window was common.. i got beaten up more time than i care to remember.. my neighbour got arrested for kicking the shit out of some fuck who had called his daughter a black whore .. i got beaten up, then arrested, by the special police group for laying out a coupel of racist fucks in Ealing high street, then stomping them.. the filth thought i should have stood there and let them beat me - 'like a good little paki' ... their exact words.. my mum had to come get me out and i looked a right state going to college the next day..

just a snapshot.. does that perhaps explain why being called a fat bastard might not be as serious as racism..

 

[thinktank]

Carlton Palmer is a fucking tool.

 

[punky]

1970's to about 1986.. nf fuckwits rampaging up and down Brixton / clapham / streatham / tooting/ southall / brick lane.. .. we had skinheads pour petrol throught the letterbox and try to set fire to the house. .. because they thought we should go back to wherevr we came from....

bricks through the window was common.. i got beaten up more time than i care to remember.. my neighbour got arrested for kicking the shit out of some fuck who had called his daughter a black whore .. i got beaten up, then arrested, by the special police group for laying out a coupel of racist fucks in Ealing high street, then stomping them.. the filth thought i should have stood there and let them beat me - 'like a good little paki' ... their exact words.. my mum had to come get me out and i looked a right state going to college the next day..

just a snapshot.. does that perhaps explain why being called a fat bastard might not be as serious as racism..

So putting a brick through a window or setting fire to the house of black man should always carry a harsher penalty than that of a white man?

You aren't comparing like-for-like, comparing my school bullying with the NF torching foreigners houses so I don't think that's fair.

Like-for-like why should anyone who chooses to focus on skin colour rather than any other factor (appearance, body size, physical ability, intellect, personality, family associations, etc) automatically get a harsher sentence? It leads to this ridicuous 2-tier justice system where as a white man i'd see less of justice being served if my assailant is released from jail months earlier than if I was black.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

So putting a brick through a window or setting fire to the house of black man should always carry a harsher penalty than that of a white man?

You aren't comparing like-for-like, comparing my school bullying with the NF torching foreigners houses so I don't think that's fair.

Like-for-like why should anyone who chooses to focus on skin colour rather than any other factor (appearance, body size, physical ability, intellect, personality, family associations, etc) automatically get a harsher sentence? It leads to this ridicuous 2-tier justice system where as a white man i'd see less of justice being served if my assailant is released from jail months earlier than if I was black.

somone was asking about the difference between being called a fat bastard vs a black bastard.. the reason one is punished more than the other is because there isn't a movement designed to destroy or kill fat people..

btw, this isn't a white vs black thing in the way you are putting it.. if a black or brown person indulges in racist violence they should be punished more than an ordinary crime...and i put gay bashing on the same level as racist violence ..

because no society should tolerate the the context of where that could lead

 

[punky]

somone was asking about the difference between being called a fat bastard vs a black bastard.. the reason one is punished more than the other is because there isn't a movement designed to destroy or kill fat people..

btw, this isn't a white vs black thing in the way you are putting it.. if a black or brown person indulges in racist violence they should be punished more than an ordinary crime...and i put gay bashing on the same level as racist violence ..

because no society should tolerate the the context of where that could lead

Not everyone belongs to a "movement". Everyone has indiviual motivations. the net result is the same. I don't see as how some people should be less of a victim because they were born with the wrong/right (delete as per your point of view) colour of skin.

By the way, the people that abuse and attack people for being black/asian are pretty much the same people that will abuse white people for being gay/disabled.

Justice should be blind, not based on a prejudice that white victims should get less justice than minority ethinic ones.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

Not everyone belongs to a "movement". Everyone has indiviual motivations. the net result is the same. I don't see as how some people should be less of a victim because they were born with the wrong/right (delete as per your point of view) colour of skin.

By the way, the people that abuse and attack people for being black/asian are pretty much the same people that will abuse white people for being gay/disabled.

Justice should be blind, not based on a prejudice that white victims should get less justice than minority ethinic ones.

you are missing the point again.. it's preventing society getting ] to the point where it was acceptable to identify an enemy by generalism.. you are confusing violence against an individual with violence against a group.. no society can live with the second..