Club or Country?

[stormfly]

I appreciate not everyone is English on here but after hearing Harry Kane say Sunday’s game is the biggest one of his career and probably the biggest of the other player’s careers I was just wondering where you guys stand? I’m definitely excited about Sunday but no where near the levels of how excited I was when Spurs were in the CL final. What would mean more to you, Spurs winning the CL or your country winning a cup?

 

[SpringHeeledJim]

I get more nervous/excited about Spurs playing in practically every single game than I do for 99% of England games

 

[thecook]

Only club fo rme. I've not watched any Euro games and won't be watching the final as I just can't find myself caring.

I'd rather Spurs won any single match than England winning Sunday

 

[PLTuck]

Both.

 

[spids]

Last 15 years I have not cared about England at all. I think the WC of 2006 was a tipping point where I just stopped caring. I obviously want us to win tomorrow, and will be shouting at the TV and jumping around if we score, but it will be nowhere near as good as if we'd won in 1990 / 1996 / 1998 when I was really caught up in the national team and it would have been the best moment of my life.

TBH, the last couple of years (since we left old WHL) a similar thing has been creeping in with Spurs where I care a little bit less each season. Don't know why, just lost some affinity with the club.

 

[popstar7]

Really want England to win tomorrow but win or lose I'll be over it within 48 hours. Tottenham means much more to me.

 

[TheTanguy]

I've never really understood why some football fans are overthinking this and feel the need to chose, for me it's a bit like asking 'son or daughter'?

 

[Ashley1974]

England for me.

To finally get to stop having to refer to 1966 and all that. And to finally shut the rest of the footballing world up.


It’s so weird being a Spurs and England supporter as they are the most hated clubs by other supporters at both club and country level.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

For me, spurs first always. But England obviously in second.

But for kane, definately the biggest game of his career. As a player, the pinnacle is to get called up for your country. Then first cap, first goal. And even a winners medal

But to captain your country to a trophy, as a player, there is nothing to top that.

 

[TOLBINY]

Tottenham Golf England - in that order!

 

[JeremyPaxton]

Went to Madrid. Going to Wembley tomorrow.
Both important but I think Madrid meant more to me - because I’ve seen a Spurs game every 3-4 days for many years, the frequency means Spurs are woven into my life in a way that England football isn’t.

 

[Nerine]

Previously I would have said club. Every time.

This tournament might have swayed it slightly.

I have less than zero interest in international friendlies etc. But there is something slightly more unifying about seeing England deep in a major tournament.

I don’t understand English football fans not giving a shit how the international team do, or being dismissive of it.

For a lot of people, this tournament has brought a lot of positivity to their worlds. I’m not saying I fit into that category; I’m unaffected or oblivious to most things and don’t rely on football as a mood booster, but it’s clear that this means a lot more to some people than literally being able to watch England win a few games of football. Especially given the last 18 months or so that we’ve had.

If nothing else, it’s something the nation can get behind and feel positive about. Club football doesn’t quite have that reach.

I’m pointing no fingers here, but I can’t help but feel some people choose club due to wanting the bragging rights and prestige amongst their peers.
You don’t really get that with international football because we’re all (theoretically) rooting for the same team.

I’ve enjoyed this tournament a lot and I’ll definitely be rooting for the team tomorrow.

The Germany game was a tell for me. Watching the scenes directly after the game was emotional. That’s all you can ask of football. I’ve never quite felt like that about England before this tournament.

 

[Nerine]

Went to Madrid. Going to Wembley tomorrow.
Both important but I think Madrid meant more to me - because I’ve seen a Spurs game every 3-4 days for many years, the frequency means Spurs are woven into my life in a way that England football isn’t.

And this. Spurs is less “alien”.

 

[stormfly]

I've never really understood why some football fans are overthinking this and feel the need to chose, for me it's a bit like asking 'son or daughter'?

Son for me every time.

 

[Shadydan]

Son for me every time.

cheers daughter's crying, nice one

 

['O Zio]

Club by miles for me. As much as I get swept up in all the hype when it's the WC or Euros, generally speaking I'm not in the least bit patriotic about being English. I just associate that kind of "English and proud" mentality with your typical EDL, Brexiteer, general nobhead types who I feel more detached from than any "immigrant" or whatever.

Likewise, the people who are genuine England fans i.e. go all over supporting them seem to be a bunch of absolute pricks. Why we feel the need to just pitch up in the town square and "plant the flag" then stand around abusing the locals all day before trashing the place and stumbling to the match I'll never understand. The behaviour of this fans on Amsterdam a couple of years ago just made me embarrassed to be English.

Generally thinking about it I feel more embarrassed about being associated with so-called England fans than I do proud. Especially with all the anthem booing crap that they've been doing lately as well

To wrap up my probably ranty stream of consciousness, I'd say I support the team but I I'm no way relate to what seems like a significant majority of England "fans" and am not in the least bit proud or patriotic about my Englishness (whatever that even means).

I just can't separate that general twatishness of EDL type blokes from the England supporters and for that reason I'll always be more close to spurs than I am England no matter how shit spurs are or how good England are.

 

[HildoSpur]

For me it's Northern Ireland and Spurs equally - nothing makes me happier than seeing our wee country do well and qualify for a major tournament. It's like winning the champions league with Spurs.

 

[PLTuck]

If we win tomorrow those players will be talked about forever, in the same way Hurst, Moore etc are revered today. They will become genuine national legends. If Spurs win the PL/CL, only spurs fans care. Also if you don't win the PL, theres always next year. If you don't win the Euros / WC, you may not get another chance your whole career.

Plus if we win DL will then put H's price up by another £50m ?

 

[PLTuck]

Even talkshite are getting in on this discussion...

"ENGLAND TO WIN EURO 2020 OR SPURS WIN THE LEAGUE?" Are you more club or country after Euro 2020? - YouTube

 

[mattstev2000]

Club every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I'm actually finding myself quite ambivalent about tomorrow to be honest, got to pick the missus up from the airport and will probably miss at least the first half and Im not really bothered. If it was spurs in the CL final she'd be finding her own way home .

One is just an accident of birth that gets everyone excited every couple of years and one is something handed down to me from my family when I was a kid, that I chose to be part of ever since, every week, through good and bad (and in Spurs case it's generally been pretty hard work!).

England is where I live, Spurs is part of who I am.