Club Pulling Together

[Juande]

Its been a long time coming for me i have been watching Spurs for over 20 years know, and i just get the feeling for the first time ever that we all, from Mr Levy down to us the supporters, are all pulling in the same direction.
It is usually us on the back pages with all the in fighting and revelations of player power and dressing room bust ups, so it so nice to see the Chelski being the team that is getting all the bad press.
Some of you may agree or disagree but credit has to be given to Commoli and levy for relising tha BMJ was not the man to take us forward and Juande was, they took an awfull lot of abuse on sites like these. but i am sure they have been proved right, and i for one, wonder what an earth was going on under Jol when we hear about the food they were eating at the training ground,and the fact the players were so unfit.
Juande has also proved to be a tactical GENIUS.
Im sure this has all been said before, but i really for the first time since i have been a season ticket holder, have the feeling that this club, maybe just maybe on the brink of returning to our place among the top teams in europe.

 

[TommyW]

THE PLAYERS WEREN'T RUDDY UNFIT!!!! Geez. An unfit side wouldn't finish 5th two years running. Period. Ramos has definately improved our fitness since arriving, but to say they weren't fit when he arrived is ridiculous. Hes just taken the fitness to another level

 

[Juande]

THE PLAYERS WEREN'T RUDDY UNFIT!!!! Geez. An unfit side wouldn't finish 5th two years running. Period. Ramos has definately improved our fitness since arriving, but to say they weren't fit when he arrived is ridiculous. Hes just taken the fitness to another level

My friend the first season we should have finished fourth by a country mile, but we did not because we gave so many goals away in the final 5 minutes of games, the seconde season we only finished 5th because the teams around us just Fuck*d it up, mentally and yes to a certain extent phsically these players were unfit, they did not concentrate and did not perform for the whole 90 minutes in most games. I am certain that if BMJ was in charge we would have lost that Sunday because the players would have not been able to put in the effort that they showed again a*enal and chelse*.
As modern footballers these players were unfit, and there diet was a joke.

 

[monkeynick]

THE PLAYERS WEREN'T RUDDY UNFIT!!!! Geez. An unfit side wouldn't finish 5th two years running. Period. Ramos has definately improved our fitness since arriving, but to say they weren't fit when he arrived is ridiculous. Hes just taken the fitness to another level

I think it's fair to say that they weren't 'fit enough' though. Performances have improved as they've become fitter although it's obviously not the only reason they should always be at peak fitness

 

[SpurSince57]

Surely the food at the training ground is the Sporting Director's responsibility?

You didn't feel things were going in the right direction when we achieved our highest back-to-back finishes in, er, longer than you've been a season-ticket holder?

 

[davros]

From the title I thought this thread was advertising the annual 'Spurs Wankathon'. Sadly not.

There were snippets here and there (I am always dubious of any Spurs news, but sometimes there is truth in the stories we read) about cliquiness (sp? within the squad. This happens in most workplaces, but I think that if this was the case in the Spurs camp it has changed somewhat. There seems to be a great rapport between players these days compared with the beginning of the season, which can only lead to a better team spirit, communication and understanding on the field, and improved training ethic. Not to mention the improved confidence in certain players.

Maybe the snippets that I read were exaggerating the situation, but there is no doubt that our players seem to work better as a team. I put this down to better relationships, and more specific instruction and individual critique from Ramos and Poyet.

Fitness has clearly been improved, as we can see from our efforts in an epic final, as well as running the super-fit Arsenal team into the ground.

 

[Juande]

Surely the food at the training ground is the Sporting Director's responsibility?

You didn't feel things were going in the right direction when we achieved our highest back-to-back finishes in, er, longer than you've been a season-ticket holder?

No because there was always reports of in fighting and player power, and why is the food the sporting directors responsibility, is he the one who trains the players and looks after there body mass and all the other tests that come with a modern footballer, do you also think its the spoting directors job to make sure that the players are not eating sweets to get there energy levels up, i think its a very short sighted View to always blame Commoli for everything:bang:

 

[Adam456]

Oh come on - are you serious ? Based on what ?

How many false dawns have we had ? As SS57 alluded to - we finished 5th twice in a row and surely THIS was our big season to push for top 4. It turned out that several sections of the management were pulling in quite opposite directions. I happen to think that this is a great chance of a 'real' dawn - we had defensive strength under GF and GG and attacking strength under GH and MJ but, for the first time since the mid-eighties, we seem to have both and have the best squad I can ever remember.......but.......come on....why assume that everything is pure in our Spurs garden of Eden.

Honestly, I think you'd say the same thing if Glen Roeder was our manager and we'd won 5 out of our last 6 games !

 

[Juande]

Oh come on - are you serious ? Based on what ?

How many false dawns have we had ? As SS57 alluded to - we finished 5th twice in a row and surely THIS was our big season to push for top 4. It turned out that several sections of the management were pulling in quite opposite directions. I happen to think that this is a great chance of a 'real' dawn - we had defensive strength under GF and GG and attacking strength under GH and MJ but, for the first time since the mid-eighties, we seem to have both and have the best squad I can ever remember.......but.......come on....why assume that everything is pure in our Spurs garden of Eden.

Honestly, I think you'd say the same thing if Glen Roeder was our manager and we'd won 5 out of our last 6 games ![/quote]

Dont be so stupid, i dont ever remember Glenn Roeder winning 6 trophies in the last 4 years. Juande Ramos is a proven winner who has showed since he has been there that he is capable of getting the best of the players.
I think we would all agree that when Juande was installed we all thought we had a world class manager, whi was a commoli appointment, a proven winner in all senses of the word, how many players dame out in support of JOl?????? how many have come out in support of Juande,
That is what i meant by a club pulling in the right direction from the chairman down.

 

[SpurSince57]

So what, precisely, is the Sporting Director's job remit, in your view?

What reports of in-fighting and player power? Aren't you confusing us with Chelsea? Or England?

It should surely be possible to praise Ramos without taking infantile pops at Jol. It should also be obvious to all but the terminally dim that we would never have been able to attract Ramos if it hadn't been for Jol's achievement.

 

[Juande]

So what, precisely, is the Sporting Director's job remit, in your view?

What reports of in-fighting and player power? Aren't you confusing us with Chelsea? Or England?

It should surely be possible to praise Ramos without taking infantile pops at Jol. It should also be obvious to all but the terminally dim that we would never have been able to attract Ramos if it hadn't been for Jol's achievement.


Do you not remember all the little stories in the press yes im sure a majority of them are made up but there is no smoke without fire my friend.
Davids fighting with Keane to name one


And you tell me what the Sporting directors Job Description is as you know that he is in charge of catering.

Nothing to do with "the dizzy money on offer"

 

[SpurSince57]

One would have thought (if one had applied any thought at all to the matter, which clearly you haven't) that 'Sporting Director' involves altogether more than being a glorified Chief Scout. The clue is in the title, after all. And the canteen is not there solely for the use of the first team squad—or do you imagine that the Reserve and Academy players are slipped a couple of quid and sent off to the chippy for their lunch?

Comolli could hardly have been unaware of the type of food that was on offer in the canteen, and, quite frankly, if he was unaware, I would like to know why. So, clearly, it was OK by him. If it had not been, then one might have expected him to change it. Is that too difficult a concept for you to entertain?

Davids fighting with Keane, yes. So truly out of character for Edgar to fall out with his team-mates and manager. I'm sure it's never happened before. :roll: And what else?

If we had not been a club clearly on the up, in Europe, no offer, however 'dizzying', would have tempted Ramos to Spurs. He's well past the stage in his career when he's going to take over a total basket case. Which, before Jol took over, is what Spurs were. Anyone who fails to recognise and credit that is a fool.

 

[Mr-T]

I'm disappointed, When I saw the thread title I thought it was gonna be stories of first team womanising and alnwick-style roastings.

 

[Juande]

One would have thought (if one had applied any thought at all to the matter, which clearly you haven't) that 'Sporting Director' involves altogether more than being a glorified Chief Scout. The clue is in the title, after all. And the canteen is not there solely for the use of the first team squad—or do you imagine that the Reserve and Academy players are slipped a couple of quid and sent off to the chippy for their lunch?

Comolli could hardly have been unaware of the type of food that was on offer in the canteen, and, quite frankly, if he was unaware, I would like to know why. So, clearly, it was OK by him. Is that too difficult a concept for you to entertain? If it had not been, then one might have expected him to change it.

Davids fighting with Keane, yes. So truly out of character for Edgar to fall out with his team-mates and manager. I'm sure it's never happened before. :roll: And what else?

If we had not been a club clearly on the up, in Europe, no offer, however 'dizzying', would have tempted Ramos to Spurs. He's well past the stage in his career when he's going to take over a total basket case. Which, before Jol took over, is what Spurs were. Anyone who fails to recognise and credit that is a fool.

He did, thats why he got Juande, yes you make some very good points and i really do hope they dont go down the chippy, i would imagine the kebab shop or the Macdonalds in Leytonstone.
But why are you so negative towards Commoli, i for one think he has done a good job, regardless of what you think, am i not allowed to make a point as that i finally think this club is moving in the right direction, because regardless of what BMJ done we all knew that tacticaly he did not seem to be able to cope against the bigger teams IMO. And yes there was in fighting regardless of what you may think, or maybe you know something more than the rest of us??
Where was the player unity when BMJ was having all the problems, where was the player unity when Glenda was on the rocks, where was the unity when GF was there or GG for that fact??
These players seem to be pulling together as a team, as one, not individuals, from the chairman down, you cannot deny that?? that is what i mean, i am sorry if my view is not the same as yours, and i do respect what you are saying, but i also think that you should not think for one minute that there has not been problems with diffrent people with diffrent agendas int he past.:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

 

[Juande]

I'm disappointed, When I saw the thread title I thought it was gonna be stories of first team womanising and alnwick-style roastings

The only thing i roast these days is a chicken for the family on a Sunday.

 

[walworthyid]

Why oh why is there this need to reduce all that bmj did over the past 3 years to a sad little period of our history?

No BMJ, no Ramos, no CC cup win, no europe this season, no Berbatov.

Yes Ramos is a better coach, I think we all agree that, but BMJ should never be forgotten. He played a big part in the development of our younger players and in raising our profile across Europe.

We can move on, but we should not forget, that is why we a great club, we have a glorious past, and BMJ is part of it.

 

[Juande]

Why oh why is there this need to reduce all that bmj did over the past 3 years to a sad little period of our history?

No BMJ, no Ramos, no CC cup win, no europe this season, no Berbatov.

Yes Ramos is a better coach, I think we all agree that, but BMJ should never be forgotten. He played a big part in the development of our younger players and in raising our profile across Europe.

We can move on, but we should not forget, that is why we a great club, we have a glorious past, and BMJ is part of it

Do you know what you are right and i am sorry, i did respect Martin and the idea was not to bash him in any way because yes you are right, but what i was trying to say was that we all seem to be going in the right direction, and maybe yes i could have written it a different way. Im sorry you are right

Lock the thread

 

[striebs]

Some of you may agree or disagree but credit has to be given to Commoli and levy for relising tha BMJ was not the man to take us forward and Juande was, they took an awfull lot of abuse on sites like these. but i am sure they have been proved right, and i for one, wonder what an earth was going on under Jol when we hear about the food they were eating at the training ground,and the fact the players were so unfit.

Juande has also proved to be a tactical GENIUS.
Im sure this has all been said before, but i really for the first time since i have been a season ticket holder, have the feeling that this club, maybe just maybe on the brink of returning to our place among the top teams in europe.

I've hilighted the only bit of truth in your rant but don't let that stand in the way of what you want to believe .

Guess we can all see now why Commoli repeatedly denied Jol's requests for an experience centre back . What a difference Woodgate makes .

If the Commoli/Levy had real balls then Jol would have been replaced during the Summer and we could have mounted a decent league campaign .

Lest you forget Ramos is not the first manager to get Levy and his board out of the stink they created .

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

I'm glad the club is doing so well, but there's a certain air of revisionism about the Jol era.

First things first: Martin Jol was a success for Tottenham. He turned us from a team playing at the bottom of the league to a team with two top 5 finishes, with good runs in the cup. And it should be said, we played some bloody fantastic football throughout.

I'm not disputing the fact that so far, Juande (who I respect a great deal) looks like a better coach than Jol, but suddenly people are talking as though the Jol team was riddled with discontent and that grossly overweight players were waddling around all day, smoking fags and randomly punching each other in the face. It strikes me that the whole Juande/diet thing has less to do with Spurs under Jol and is more to do with the sub-standard fitness practices throughout English football. Michael Arteta was saying that when he arrived at Everton they were serving fish and chips in the canteen and he had to tell the cooks to make him pasta. Similarly, Florent Malouda recently said that he couldn't believe the unhealthy food served in the Chelsea canteen. I suspect that throughout the Premiership there's loads of canteens serving pie and mash, and that Spurs were nothing special in that sense. It's just that Juande has come in with fitness experts and dictated a new diet.

Whenever a new coach comes in, a club goes into overdrive and part of their PR campaign is to put distance between the new regime and the old coach. It happens at every club. The test of how things are going at Spurs won't come a couple of days after winning a cup. It will come when we're going through a rough patch and are losing games. Then, will stories start being leaked about player discontent, about boring training sessions, about bad diets or poor language skills?

 

[tRiKS]

good and proper retraction Jaunde.

We were going in a great direction, It ran it's course and we wobbled. We got Ramos, it got back on track and you could perhaps put a case forward to say the track ahead looks smoother than ever. BMJ did a marelvous job and his legacy, despite faults, formed a platform for us to get Ramos and for Ramos to steer us to silverware.

COYS